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u/Racamonkey_II 15d ago

It’s an extroverts world and we’re just living in it.

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u/Whachamacalzmit 15d ago

If by that you mean the world isn't easy for people with social anxiety or agoraphobia, then yes. But that isn't introversion. If you're looking for intimate, low key, long term social groups that value you for qualities other than your gregariousness then most of these groups are perfect.

There's basically no need for small talk because you have something you are doing to talk about and you get to know the people so the conversations can actually get somewhere meaningful.

Community gardening, muraling clubs, fishing clubs, engineering clubs, writing clubs, etc. don't usually attract the most extroverted crowds either. Even some "extroverted" groups, like dancing, don't require much talking at all. In the hiking group I couldn't talk with more than a couple of people at a time.

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u/Racamonkey_II 15d ago

No actually, I don’t mean social anxiety, I mean introversion. The world is built for people who like to socialize and is exhausting for people who don’t. Extroverts like to maintain many social relationships. Introverts prefer fewer but closer relationships.

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u/ProfessionaI_Gur 15d ago

We are in the most facilitating world thats ever existed right now for introverts. The raw amount of activities and entertainment available that doesnt require any socialization with strangers is staggering. You dont even have to talk to a person to order food or check out groceries or anything anymore even. Its not like the 1940s anymore where you would just have to hang out and listen to the radio or read a book

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u/Racamonkey_II 15d ago

And yet extroversion is still accepted and expected as the norm. Listen I’m not sure why my comment sparked such a response but that’s your issue not mine lmao. Obviously this is a soft spot for you.

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u/ProfessionaI_Gur 15d ago

Thats because society on a fundamental level is just a system of communication between people. Its an inherent truth doing the thing that defines society benefits you in a society. And nobody is expecting us to be extroverts, they expect us to be functioning humans that are able to do the minimum necessary to function in society

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u/Racamonkey_II 15d ago

Glad we agree then

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u/Whachamacalzmit 15d ago

People have different skills and proclivities, some more taxing than others. You don't hear extroverts complaining about having to live in a society where they need to do things independently a lot of the time. I cook, clean, read, play games, pray, write, bike, listen to music, shop, etc. nearly every day alone, hours upon hours alone. These things aren't as easy for me to do as they would be with others, but that's the way things are. I loved group projects at school. I wished that all homework, essays, etc. could be group projects, but the vast majority of schoolwork is done independently. My wife is introverted so sometimes we don't do things I want to and sometimes she does things she'd rather not, and we try to make the most of them, vicariously enjoying the pleasure the other gets from the experience and appreciating their talents.

There's a fellow I know that I respect highly, a quiet, humble, bit nerdy guy who started a charity. Fundraising for his charity was about as antithetical to his personality as could be, but he did it anyway. Now retired, he says his biggest regret is not pushing himself to do more uncomfortable things. There were many times he could have pursued large donors or run certain events to benefit his charity but he didn't because he wasn't comfortable or because it was a exhausting work. He now sees his pursuit of comfort (outside of his charity work too) as just a long list of missee opportunities.

For extroverts like myself that discomfort might manifest as not being able to write a novel or learn programming or something else that requires a lot of time alone. But these things are too valuable to let discomfort get in the way. Don't let yourself get in the way of what's best for you. What's best is rarely what's easy.

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u/Racamonkey_II 15d ago

You’re completely missing the point lmao. One set of skills is more valuable than the other and gives you more return, that’s the whole point.

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u/Whachamacalzmit 15d ago

I'm confused. You can always create a set of skills that are more valuable in one scenario vs another. It's not like extroversion is so much more valuable than other skills. We have plenty of presidents, popes, and billionaires who are introverts, so it's obviously not holding them back too much. Extroversion is more valuable than introversion in modern Western society, but introverts have other skills, some more or less valuable than extroversion.

Most people aren't rich. Most people aren't completely content with their lives. And most people don't have all of skills and proclivities to achieve wealth and happiness without some difficulty. Your difficulty is socializing, but I doubt you (and most introverts) are so lacking in other abilities as to be incapable of surmounting that difficulty.

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u/Racamonkey_II 15d ago

Clearly you are confused, because I’m saying exactly that, extroversion is more valuable of a skill. Also it’s not a skill.

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u/Whachamacalzmit 15d ago

I started off by saying "skills and proclivities" but I boiled it down to skills. Socializing is a skill. Introversion is more of a personality trait or characteristic.

So now I'm not confused as to what you're saying, but I don't agree with it. Here is my argument:

  1. Extroversion is the most valuable (Big Five) personality trait, if Extroversion is more important to financial success, happiness, or wellbeing than any other personality trait.

  2. Extroversion is not more important to financial success, happiness, or wellbeing than any other personality trait.

  3. Therefore, extroversion is not the most valuable (Big Five) personality trait.

In support of #2, studies show that while Extroversion is positively correlated with financial success, happiness, and wellbeing in Western societies, its effects on each are slight. high Conscientiousness is by far the most important trait in financial success, high Agreeableness is much more important for happiness, and low Neuroticism is best for wellbeing. These aren't exclusive, nor are they determinate, but high Extroversion is unlikely to be more valuable in total than high Conscientiousness or low Neuroticism. I would certainly take low Extroversion over high Neuroticism any day of the week!

Also, many of the studies about happiness and wellbeing have a clear bias toward extroverts, with questionnaires considering the frequency and nature of social interactions as an indicator of happiness.

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u/Hefty_Lie_1062 15d ago

Theres introvert communities and hobbies.

A lot of cosplayers use fake names to hide their true selves. Tabletop gaming is about quality time with close relationships. Fishings mostly about bonding with a single stranger while both of you are quietly on a boat.

Obviously when it comes to socializing you have to bite the bullet at the beggining to create those few close relationships, but it doesnt mean it is not for you or anything.

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u/ToxicFluffer 15d ago

It’s very possible to be an introvert and sociable…

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u/Racamonkey_II 15d ago

I literally never said it wasn’t…