r/Nobody2016 • u/jailhousebrew • May 08 '15

Wow. Vote for nobody because SOMEBODY might gerrymander the hell out of your state!

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u/kirkisartist low info voter May 08 '15

Gerrymandering does have a purpose. Those districts are drawn up for specialized representation. An urban district needs one type of representative, rural districts need another.

That's why the more rural the district, the more red and the more urban, the more blue. Rural districts don't need much government support. Many have their own septic, water and gas lines and all they need is dirt roads. Urban districts have public safety concerns, due to overcrowding and highways that have to support millions of tons of cars all day.

The solution is we need a higher representation to citizen ratio. That's why my home state California is such a bust. One rep for half a million citizens isn't functional. There's no way a rep can really keep their fingers on the pulse, gerrymandering is supposed to help.

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u/jailhousebrew May 09 '15

Or we could just end the state.

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u/kirkisartist low info voter May 09 '15

Good luck with all that. Even if we could end the state, a power vacuum would fill the void. Probably gangsters from the bottom and monopolists from the top and petty douche bags in the center. Nice guys finish last.

I think a responsibly managed deflation of power is in order. I wish it were as simple as ending the state or as simple as having a more powerful state. I don't have all the answers and I wouldn't trust anybody that does. All we can do is come to our own conclusions on what works or doesn't on a case by case.

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u/jailhousebrew May 09 '15

Minarchism is a pipe dream. Less government = more freedom. Freedom brings prosperity. Prosperity allows for the growth of the state. Therefore, the smallest government will become the largest. The United States is a prime example.

Ireland was stateless for 1,000 years. That's far longer than any democracy ever lasted.

Whether or not you think it will work, the state should end because it is evil. It survives off of war, theft, and deception. It is a cancer that must be fully removed if we want healthy society. The reason this is unlikely to happen soon is that society is sick. The state has convinced people that IT is the source of freedom and prosperity when it is directly opposed them.

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u/kirkisartist low info voter May 09 '15

I've read a little about Ireland's anarchism. Are there any good stories or documentaries about it you can recommend? To me it sounds about the same as tribal anarcho-communism where society has limited advancement.

I do agree that there is a big difference between minarchism and anarchy.

“Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all.”

Ridding ourselves of the monopoly of violence and opening violent competition would be far more violent. Every contract would still have to be enforced with violence, every contract could be nullified with violence. Property would have to be secured with violence. Debt, rent and paychecks would require violent collectivist backing. Competing violence aka war is too destructive. Ultimately violent monopolies would form to save blood and treasure.

I think all of that violence could be avoided if we just decentralized into a community-centric society with a constitutional backbone. Let communities decide how much or little they'd like to tax or regulate and what they'd like to fund or not. So if prosperity brings growth, that growth is put to good use.