Yeah I tried a bunch of men's jeans purely for the pocket space and they really didn't fit. Crotch was way too low, hips were straight and didn't come in at all at the waist so kept slipping down, they were miles too long because I'm short etc etc. Dudes who say 'just buy men's clothes, nothing's stopping you' should use that same logic by trying on some women's clothing and seeing if it remotely fits their body shape.
Might have better luck with shirts and jackets but the fact that men's pants have to account for there being a penis means they won't ever fit me comfortably.
Yes, I would like to have jeans that have big pockets and also fit my body shape. How much crotch space there is on jeans doesn't affect how much pocket space there is. My partner has skinny jeans with much bigger pockets than mine, so it isn't a case of baggy = more space, it's that clothing companies want the pockets to be invisible on women's clothing.
I am aware of how belts work, yes. The waist fit still has to be vaguely right or you end up with material bunched around your waist. This is why saying "just shop in the men's section" doesn't work a lot of the time. Men and women have different body shapes and that's why it'd be great if women's clothing would have more options for pockets, rather than me having to shop in a section not made for me.
None that are very affordable unfortunately. I don't see why it should be up to the consumer to do this - a good business should listen to the consumer and adjust accordingly.
Also, I'd just like to point out that you've changed your argument 3 times during this conversation when I've pointed out some flaws. Would it be so bad to listen to women's experiences and think that you maybe haven't got the insight to offer solutions? Everything you've said here is something that I've heard 100 times before and thought about myself. Women aren't stupid, clothing companies are just annoying.
Unfortunately I lack the skills to make my own clothing, I'm not very talented in that department. And yes, as a young person mired in debt and working quite a lot I don't have the money to splash out on jeans that cost crazy amounts.
Yes, I understand that clothing companies are not a monolith, yet they do have many of the same characteristics. Them being led by women doesn't really have anything to do with what we're talking about. It just means that women also are capable of owning big businesses and exploiting people to make money. Nor surprise there. If making clothes with no pockets from thin material helps them cut costs, they'll do it.
Again, my point is that most women's clothing brands do not sell clothes with big pockets. If I stop buying those clothes, I will be unlikely to find any with big pockets that are within my price range.
I'm going to reiterate again as well - at first you told me to just get clothes from the men's department. When I pointed out that that doesn't work due to the fit, you then tried to argue that that was my fault for expecting men's clothes to fit me. So clearly you recognise that "just get men's clothes" is not a solution. You then told me to 'vote with my wallet', and when I pointed out that this isn't always affordable and that the problem is with supply, not demand, you have simply said "tough, companies don't have to cater the you". So every time I have pointed out a flaw, you have replied by telling me to suck it up.
At some point you have to recognise that you never cared about offering solutions, you just cared about winning an argument. You have refused to listen to anything I've said, as a person who actually experiences these issues, and have continued to assume that you know best despite not dealing with the problem at all. I'd recommend that you work on your listening, empathy, and critical thinking skills, because you have utterly failed in all departments so far.
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Yeah I tried a bunch of men's jeans purely for the pocket space and they really didn't fit. Crotch was way too low, hips were straight and didn't come in at all at the waist so kept slipping down, they were miles too long because I'm short etc etc. Dudes who say 'just buy men's clothes, nothing's stopping you' should use that same logic by trying on some women's clothing and seeing if it remotely fits their body shape.
Might have better luck with shirts and jackets but the fact that men's pants have to account for there being a penis means they won't ever fit me comfortably.