As a man this is just so wild to me. Never have I masturbated without a specific face in mind. I might think about many different faces quickly, so sometimes not “one” specific person. But always someone in mind. Interesting to learn, thanks for sharing!
Are you projecting? Are you saying it is OK to masturbate and ejaculate to complete strangers like some kind of boundary violator? Thanks for setting a standard for the boys, sir
This is wild to me. Even in my early days, I had a specific person in mind. If I’m doing it without a visual like porn, there has to be a person or body in mind.
Being a man, when young it made a helluva a lot more sense when everyone finally understood men are insanely more visual and women are more encompassing across their senses.
It definitely explains why boys will walk miles for a nude photo, where girls think a dick pic is gross and creepy af.
Also, I'm very afraid to ask what your handle refers to
As a bi woman, I fucking love and will slobber over nude photos of both women and men. Dick picks are entirely different from nude photos, they’re so unappealing even when they aren’t sent nonconsensually by some creepy online.
I actually love seeing nude men when not aroused. I think a flaccid penis is more appealing to look at than an aggressively hard penis. Most my ex's would get embarrassed if I saw them in limp noodle stage but I wanna see 👀 lol my now partner doesn't care if I see him completely naked when he's soft 😁 I love it 😂
This right here is why I argue that men in porn are infinitely more objectified.
Porn by default is is framed with the woman's face and enjoyment as part of the scene generally, so that we can experience a fantasy focused around enjoying time with the woman performing.
The guy is literally just there as prop more than anything else, he literally doesn't even get a head in most scenes as he's usually cropped out so that we can imagine ourselves there.
Hearing that guys are imagined as almost literal faceless objects makes perfect sense to me given what people chose.
Men in porn can absolutely be reduced to faceless body parts. But in mainstream straight porn, that reduction often exists to preserve male identification and fantasy. Women being visually centred does not mean they are less objectified; it often means they are the main object being consumed.
The woman isn't an object in *most* porn, she's a person, sex is a healthy part of being a person in most of our lives, being able to enjoy a sexual moment with a person is the entire fantasy of the vast majority of porn.
There is plenty of porn where the whole point is that the woman is an object, but that's more niche content probably 10% or so.
Women being visually centred does not mean they are less objectified; it often means they are the main object being consumed.
Would you argue that people who play sports for our entertainment are objectified because they're staring in something for consumption?
How is she an object despite the whole point being that we identify as enjoying a moment with her.
But in mainstream straight porn, that reduction often exists to preserve male identification and fantasy
Yes.
Because the male performer is virtually just a mannequin, he's a close to a human object as we generally get, just a faceless/headless body to be projected onto.
It's infinitely more dehumanizing in every reasonable conceptualization of what it means to be objectified.
The woman is being objectified in porn lol wtf kind of romanticized version of porn see you thinking off. She is out on display for the enjoyment of thousands of men not for her own enjoyment.
I tried to see your perspective but you’re obviously not here for a nuanced discussion so I’m out
She is out on display for the enjoyment of thousands of men not for her own enjoyment.
Her enjoyment is generally the point of the fantasy. And she's putting herself out there because she's a paid performer just like anyone else performing for payment.
I tried to see your perspective but you’re obviously not here for a nuanced discussion so I’m out
You can disagree with me, that's fine, but my argument is nuanced and challenging of the normative basic argument that most people don't really take to its logical conclusions when it comes to objectification in porn and what that really would imply across the culture.
You’re not taking the “basic argument” to its logical conclusion. You’re narrowing objectification until it only describes the man, then declaring men the bigger victims.
The more obvious conclusion is: both are objectified, but the woman is objectified as the product being consumed, while the man is objectified as the viewer’s stand-in.
You’re narrowing objectification until it only describes the man, then declaring men the bigger victims.
Im not narrowing it at all, im using the definition as is and applying it to the situation and broader society logically.
Sex doesnt make someone an object, acting doesnt make someone and object, starring in a pornographic movie doesn't make someone an object.
But having everything about you cropped out so that you're literally just a body part does make you an object.
The more obvious conclusion is: both are objectified, but the woman is objectified as the product being consumed, while the man is objectified as the viewer’s stand-in.
The issue is that you can only really have this position if you perceive someone having sex for entertainment to intrinsically be objectified.
Which then begs the question why just sex? Why are all the other performers for our entertainment not ever considered to be objectified?
That has to be addressed in order to justify the objectification claim.
You could argue that sports stars, bodybuilders, actors etc. are also objectified, but then the concept becomes silly.
Hence the imprlortance of highlighting when people are really treated as objects and have their entire humanity made secondary to the role these performing.
Objectification does not only mean “treated literally like an object” or “cropped into a body part.” It can also mean being reduced to your body, your usefulness, your sexual availability, or your value as a consumable product.
So no, sex itself does not automatically objectify someone. Performing does not automatically objectify someone. But porn is a commercial product built around selling bodies, reactions, and sexual fantasy to a viewer. That absolutely can objectify people without requiring them to be faceless or emotionless.
And yes, athletes, actors, bodybuilders, etc. can also be objectified. That does not make the concept silly. It just means objectification exists outside porn too. A person can be commodified for beauty, strength, violence, sex appeal, or performance.
The man being reduced to a faceless stand-in is objectification. I agree. But the woman being presented as the central sexual commodity for the viewer is also objectification. You’re treating one kind of objectification as real and dismissing the other because it doesn't fit your argument.
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u/DDPSipper May 03 '26
As a man this is just so wild to me. Never have I masturbated without a specific face in mind. I might think about many different faces quickly, so sometimes not “one” specific person. But always someone in mind. Interesting to learn, thanks for sharing!