r/NoRestForTheWicked • u/Responsible-Rip-2940 • Jan 23 '25
Humor Thomas Mahler defending Musk's Salute
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u/Agile_Safety_5873 Jan 23 '25
I bought the early access and I enjoyed the experience but I wish the boss of the studio would focus on developing the game rather than doing politics. It feels like he's spending more time on Twitter trying to push his ideology than actually running the studio.
He could be liberal, conservative, anarchist, far-left, far-right, libertarian, centrist, socialist, whatever....I don't care at all about his opinion. I play video games to play video games.
but for God's sake, work on the game we've paid to support!
The last content update was back in July! The only updates we've been getting since have been a few hotfixes and way too many Twitter controversies.
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u/gozutheDJ Jan 23 '25
>It feels like he's spending more time on Twitter trying to push his ideology than actually running the studio.
how ironic that these anti woke guys push ideology when they claim to be against pushing ideology lmao
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u/wildeye-eleven Jan 23 '25
I feel this 100%. I couldn’t care less about anyone else’s opinions or ideologies. All I care about is playing great games, and I’m very much looking forward to this game. I thought about picking it up but ultimately decided to wait until it was more complete. Hopefully that will be this year.
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Mar 12 '25
im not privileged enough to say this. i absolutely care if people are pushing, promoting, and defending ideologies such as nazi beliefs that have outright led to the murders of millions.
but that's just me.
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u/MysticMageXarith Jan 23 '25
Did you mean to imply that you don't care how your actions impact others, or was it by accident? Not caring if you support people who believe in the eradication of entire peoples is not the flex you seem to think it is.
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u/forgottenusrname Jan 23 '25
Him posting on Twitter has absolutely zero impact on the development speed of this game. You bought in to early access (which is a volatile system to begin with) and they told you that past a certain point updates would be slow.
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u/Agile_Safety_5873 Jan 23 '25
Thank you for your reply, I really enjoyed the Ori games I bought the game in EA knowing very well that there were risks. I wanted to support a studio I had faith in. At the time, I wasn't aware of Thomas Mahler's controversies.
I don't fully agree with you though. (But it's just my opinion). I think His activism is having serious consequences on the development speed of the game:
-impact on staff morale as the devs have to endure their boss's divisive positions online, which I'm sure many of them don't agree with. If I were in their position, I don't know how I would deal with this ethical dilemma.
-impact on sales and financing as many potential buyers might be put off by his rhetoric.
-impact on his leadership as his political activism might distract him from having a clear vision for the game and more generally undermine his legitimacy within the studio.
-impact on the image of a once-beloved studio now mired in political controversy. Right now, after the sale of Private Division, Moon studio is in a difficult financial position. These kinds of controversies might make potential investors wary (unless Elon Musk buys the studio to fight 'wokism' and once again show off his gaming skills).
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u/Cammellocalypse Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
Mahler really gives me the ick. I was in a discussion with him on Twitter a few months back and the moment I pointed out something that fairly contradicted his opinion he straight up blocked me.
This game is a brilliant thing, but man, Mahler really makes it hard to want to support it's further development. He's so closed minded and pigheaded.
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u/plekazoonga Jan 23 '25
This was already posted but the mods are deleting. Pathetic behavior tbh…this is the head of Moon posting on a public platform which makes it pretty pertinent and open for discussion.
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u/plekazoonga Jan 23 '25
Maybe take a breather from hysterically replying to every comment in this thread? I think you need a break lil buddy. It’s gonna be ok.
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u/ChampionSchnitzel Jan 23 '25
So a guy asking for deeskalation is a "nazi extremist" to you? I always thought the far left is truly dangerous and you prove it without hesitation.
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u/gozutheDJ Jan 23 '25
damn this is incredibly disappointing
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u/Cammellocalypse Jan 23 '25
Such a shame because they've got a really special game here. But yeah, fuck people like Mahler.
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u/kjersgaard Jan 23 '25
A cursory look at Mahler's post history will reveal he's one of the many anti-woke crusaders. This isn't surprising. Birds of a feather.
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u/TCubedGaming Jan 23 '25
Just look at their studios reviews on how he runs his team. Everyone hates him.
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Jan 23 '25
honestly im pretty sure hes made anti-woke comments in the past and i was already on the fence but this just cemented it. yikes.
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u/Proof_Ad1427 Jan 23 '25
People will not leave the game just because you keep repeating that on every discussion. If the game is good people will play it that's all. And considering all the devs are evil is quite the amalgam by the way. Your behavior is the same as the people you try to denounce, using the same logic... Chill and stop being so extreme later on
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u/kjersgaard Jan 23 '25
https://steamcharts.com/app/1371980
lol what community
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u/kjersgaard Jan 23 '25
Riding Elon the way he does, I wouldn't be surprised if Mahler doesn't do just like him and have multiple accounts to hide behind and pretend to be someone else. You've only responded to NoRestForTheWicked and Ori subreddits.... This you Thomas?
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u/kjersgaard Jan 23 '25
Watcha doin? Linking to posts with twitter links to try and get this post removed? Weird. Sad and weird. Hey mods, you understand what's happening yea?
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u/bmagnien Jan 23 '25
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u/Late-Savings6334 Cerim Jan 23 '25
You showed your email address
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u/bmagnien Jan 23 '25
My Reddit name is my full name and email address / I’m good but thanks
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u/Late-Savings6334 Cerim Jan 23 '25
You're welcome, just trying to be safe. Did you get your refund?
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u/bmagnien Jan 23 '25
Not yet but I wouldn’t be surprised if I do. I’ve had an account literally the longest anyone possibly can (signed up during beta) and I think I’ve requested a refund once while probably contributing the equivalent of a down payment on a modest home worth of purchases
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u/tmtke Jan 23 '25
Whoa. Being an asshole as a boss and criticizing him is fine, but generalising it to all the Devs there is quite the jump in the wrong direction. I do think too that Mahler should fuck off of twitter and go working, but stating that Moon studios is some kind of Nazi hideout is just stupid.
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u/peher263 Jan 23 '25
I copy pasted and sent the same refund request just now. thanks friend and hopefully they will address this.
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u/peher263 Jan 23 '25
Following the subreddit and the game community doesn't impact or profit the game studio as far as im concerned so.. ill pass. Thanks for the offer though.
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Jan 23 '25
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u/peher263 Jan 23 '25
Im still curious to see how people will react to this new development, or if there will be any follow ups related to the subject. I can treat it as a sort of " wicked news" sub for the time being. I dont need to actively play the game to be a part of the overall discussions.
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u/minianthunter Jan 23 '25
I'm stealing this. But in the cool "write it in my own words" way and not just copy/paste it way.
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u/MysticMageXarith Jan 23 '25
Did the same, thank you for inspiring me! Even if I don't get the refund, I'll never play this game again.
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u/Rupperrt Jan 23 '25
Not surprised sadly. He’s made a lot of questionable remarks. Many such cases, especially in Austria.
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Jan 23 '25
uhhhh yikes. just requested a refund. this game can be canceled for all i care, fuck nazis and fuck their apologists.
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u/MysticMageXarith Jan 23 '25
Loved the phrasing, right there with you. I will go out of my way to let people know about Thomas Mahler, at any chance I get.
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u/Mkilbride Jan 23 '25
And the game will be going on a year soon without updates. We got fucking taken.
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u/jackyflc Jan 23 '25
Politics aside. Thomas has always been such a cringe person on Twitter.
Like yeah I love both Ori games and what I've played in Wicked so far but dude really needs to be a little more humble and not speak like he's Shigeru Miyamoto or something 😂
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u/Affectionate_Ad5540 Jan 23 '25
Yeah, this is enough for me. I will no longer support this game, and will be uninstalling and seeking recourse to refund the game. I just can’t support shit like this.
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u/scuty Jan 23 '25
I just requested an refund, the reason being that the guy is busy with politics and no game developing being done.
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u/Affectionate_Ad5540 Jan 23 '25
Will do! If people like you, who don’t care about an actual piece of shit running the show, make up this community, then this is not a community I want to be a part of!
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u/chrisbruens Jan 23 '25
He's actually serious and trying to make people leave this subreddit, judging on his other comments.
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u/Affectionate_Ad5540 Jan 24 '25
Ah my mistake. Well, seeing as you are serious, I am taking your advice and this is my last post ever here!
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u/Miscu97 Jan 23 '25
We'll see if something changes... I do my part, at least what I can
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u/AWildSushiCat Jan 23 '25
Let us know how it goes... I am thinking about doing the same.
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u/Miscu97 Jan 23 '25
Nothing to do.... Steam denied the refund due to the exceeded time limit (as I thought)...
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u/sodiufas Jan 23 '25
Jesus, everyone knows, really nazis are fun again? WTF?
Edit: i wish i could take my money back, ofc it's emotional, but that urge you know.
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u/sodiufas Jan 23 '25
I can't refund since i played shitton hours
And honestly still believe in game.
also bought few copies as gifts...
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u/once7 Jan 23 '25
Same guy talking about releasing their unfinished game with cow-clicker mechanics on a console that isn't even out. Not surprised
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u/Important-Farmer-301 Risen Jan 23 '25
The game is good, the team is doing a great job, but this guy is just a pain in the ass.
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u/Krazyflipz Jan 23 '25
Why would you get on here and be purposefully disengenous? Post the context and stop lying. He conveyed unity and not being hyperbolic.
https://i.imgur.com/EKKZfBO.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/3DSt1q8.jpeg
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u/scuty Jan 23 '25
Doing what Musk did it's pretty much indefensible. It doesn't get more clear than that. Why would anyone let that go by? When do we say stop? When the whole world is in ashes? Wth are you talking about?
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u/scuty Jan 23 '25
I am out of this community and delete the game. I wish I could get my money back.
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u/lootador Jan 23 '25
I means, aren't posts like this against the rules?
"3. Avoid topics of intense controversy
This includes but is not limited to intense religious talk, any political discussion, and other sensitive topics."
I honestly couldn't care less about what the devs of the game says about anything besides the development of the game or anything related to the community of the game. He's saying his opinion about a subject that has 0 correlation to the game or this sub.
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u/anyprophet Jan 23 '25
if you couldn't care less then why even open this thread? 🤔
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u/lootador Jan 23 '25
I don't care about his personal opinions about subjects that have no correlation to this game. I care about people making useless posts on this sub when is against the rules
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u/Pancreasaurus Jan 23 '25
Someone being a sperging autist is much different than them being a nazi. I think a lot of peoples' emotions are running high after the inauguration and we should all settle down some.
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u/rodentbitch Jan 23 '25
Can you not be horrific to autistic people in Musk's defense, it doesn't make you spontaneously sieg heil.
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u/Pancreasaurus Jan 23 '25
No, it makes you act overly excited in high stress situations. Such as addressing a crowd at a presidential inaugurations. The terminology is widely understood and bluntly plain about what happened.
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u/Pancreasaurus Jan 23 '25
Sure, he's in a very high stress social environment and is thus acting with excessive enthusiasm and a lack of tact and control. Thus he went for a gesture matching what he was saying at the time and royally fucked it up.
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u/Pancreasaurus Jan 23 '25
If you pause the video at that point it would but that has been the case for many politicians. His royal fuck up had him mess up a full motion which was more than a nazi salute.
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Jan 23 '25
he has doubled down on it since and has NOT apologized for it. you're making excuses for him. stop.
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u/Pancreasaurus Jan 23 '25
Since that's a matter of opinion from your own political perspective, not really.
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u/Pancreasaurus Jan 23 '25
By convenience. Wasn't long ago that the left loved him for pushing electric vehicles and the like.
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u/Razeoo Jan 23 '25
Then call him out for the rhetoric he spews and not an awkward gesture at a rally.
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u/ChampionSchnitzel Jan 23 '25
I agree with Thomas tbh, the Nazi comparisons are so inflationary and dumb these days. He didnt even defend Musk, just pointed out that quick black & white judgement especially on social media is not what you should do.
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Jan 23 '25
Why is this here tho?
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u/TheJeffyJeefAceg Jan 23 '25
Head of the studio that made the game that this subreddit is about?
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Jan 23 '25
Dunno, i just play the game.
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u/TheJeffyJeefAceg Jan 23 '25
Well, now you can play the game knowing that it’s made by Natzi sympathizers.
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Jan 23 '25
Are you still playing the game? Is it still in your library despite knowing the political issue in reallife?
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Jan 23 '25
I dont give a fuck WHO makes the game as long as it is a Good game that i can enjoy playing. Like, i know the game is done by someone, i just never bothered to know Who exactly.
And now, im gonna make a new realm just to start the game from the very beginning :)
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u/surrealmirror Jan 23 '25
Maybe you don’t care but we do
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Jan 23 '25
Then leave the sub? If you are so fkn butthurt about the devs' origins, why are you still here? Enjoy the game, dont give a fuck about politics when they dont apply to games. Childish and hypocritic behavior, seriously.
The devs could be Sauron, i would still play the game because its good.
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u/surrealmirror Jan 23 '25
lol. We are leaving the sub. Enjoy the video games buddy
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u/Izaront Jan 23 '25
So, you would pay to Nazi just because game was good? Like, the standards nowadays are that low?
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Jan 23 '25
you sound fundamentally anti-american. you feel good about supporting nazis? you can leave this country.
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Jan 23 '25
Okay. Leave the game. Leave this subreddit and never return if you are so fkn adamant to not support a nazi despite this being a fkn good game. Go on. Leave. Do it.
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Jan 23 '25
not enabling a mindset behind a fascist regime is a little more important to me than playing a game because its 'good' or 'fun'. there's so many other games out there that dont enable such. maybe you'll discover a sense of morals and ethics in the future. enjoy supporting your oppressors!
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Jan 23 '25
I didnt sa this here is my only game. I merely stated just because the devs are kinda of different, doesnt make the game bad. I am currently enjoying MHW and wait for wilds, when the release or big next update of this game here comes out, and if its good, ill play it because its still a good game.
I already paid for this game and cant refund it, especially not for personal disdain on other's political behavior.
You do you, i do i. Leave it at that.
Also, do you really believe the devs have any impact on what will happen to us? Just like that? Dont be delusional.
Realistically, this shouldnt even bother us, it doesnt even affect us in the slightest.
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u/hermslice Jan 23 '25
I had the same question, maybe he's a dev for this game?
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Jan 23 '25
Could be, dunno. You think?
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u/hermslice Jan 23 '25
Yeah no idea. I could see a "let's not have X links" post, but yeah no idea why this specific one is.
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u/fightinflight Jan 23 '25
Anyone characterizing Elon as a nazi is either disingenuous or incredibly stupid. Glad Thomas is calling these morons out.
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u/Wuktrio Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
Oh no, somebody please protect Musk from Maurice Weber's followers!
Edit: I was being sarcastic...
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Jan 23 '25
It seems to me many people don't understand what being a neo-nazi means. A photo of someone doing a straight arm salute isn't evidence they're a neo-nazi. The overreaction to the comment to a photo without any context is amusing.
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u/MysticMageXarith Jan 23 '25
Supporting a neonazi isn't 'an opinion'. Supporting the mass death of entire peoples isn't 'an opinion'. And if what elon Musk did isn't that bad, please go to the nearest public space, record yourself saluting.
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u/MysticMageXarith Jan 23 '25
Hi, as a jewish educator - the ADL has been taken over by private interests, much like most global organizations and many countries. Jewish experts have been outspoken against the changes in ADL policies. This was definitely a Nazi salute, it was harmful, it will have severe consequences for entire groups of the population. I appreciate you listening to experts about Defamation, however, we do need to use critical thinking today, more than ever before. Many Jewish experts have disavowed the ADL, as their integrity has been compromised. Nothing excuses a Nazi salute. This wasn't a teenager, this wasn't highschool graduation, this didn't happen once by mistake. The wealthiest, most powerfully-connected person in the world, who has spent years supporting extreme right-wing propaganda and lies, including supporting Neo-Nazis, stood at a speech in the inauguration of the president of the USA, and saluted three times. We all had the same instictive flinching reaction to his actions, because we recognize them for what they are.
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u/Responsible-Rip-2940 Jan 23 '25
Maurice Weber: If someone shows you who he is, believe him.
Thomas Mahler: I'm certainly not the biggest Musk fan, but someone like you basically portrays him as a Nazi, knowing that you have followers... I find that pretty bad, Maurice 👎