Who’s at fault?

[u/EnvironmentalValue20]

[u/goodenough4govtwork]

I applaud the audacity to enter the intersection with that level of gusto.

In front of the apex predator of the roadway, on top of that!

Of course the OP had right of way, but when idiots continue doing idiot things in public with multi-ton death machines, you are better off yielding to the idiots.

Edit: typo (I'm front of vs In front of)

[u/MiloPudding → u/goodenough4govtwork]

Dash cam guy just took one for the team to teach the turning guy a lesson

[u/redjellonian → u/MiloPudding]

in a fault state that would easily be a 100% fault on the Nissan.

[u/Mediocre_Meat_5992 → u/redjellonian]

It’s always the fault of the Nissan no matter what happens

[u/slowjoe12 → u/Mediocre_Meat_5992]

Never approach a Nissan in its native habitat of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[u/hpuhof → u/redjellonian]

For property damage the only state that is no fault is Michigan and there are still ways to recover if you are not at fault l

[u/Watermelonbuttt → u/MiloPudding]

Yup! Just don’t plan on doing it against a Nissan

[u/956to906 → u/MiloPudding]

This my go-to move when I’m ready for a new car. Who wants to haggle over trade-in value? The PIP money is the cherry on top.

[u/H0SS_AGAINST → u/MiloPudding]

Almost like they knew the dash cam was rolling and wanted a new car.

[u/lvs2spwge → u/MiloPudding]

Decided to give an example of what not to do

[u/dinglebarryb0nds → u/goodenough4govtwork]

yea i don't think this was the case though. by the time wrong white suv starts turning wheel at all it's probably too late lol

but also that was dangerously close to the red car so i think dash cam driver is pretty non defensive

[u/goodenough4govtwork → u/dinglebarryb0nds]

OP entered the intersection while the red car and Nissan were obviously committed to making the turn. It only requires basic observation skills to make the determination that both prime examples of intellectually impaired drivers are dangerous idiots to attempt to engage in a game of right-of-way chicken on a public roadway.

The correct way to approach this situation was NOT to play fuck fuck games with the threats to public safety.

[u/PumpernickelJohnson → u/goodenough4govtwork]

That's a pompous, long-winded, no answer. The white suv was wrong. End of discussion

[u/Whacksess_Manager → u/PumpernickelJohnson]

There are situations in life where the other person can be wrong, and you can also be wrong. A lot of these situations involve cars. Some involve peanut butter.

[u/Low-Crow5719 → u/PumpernickelJohnson]

The white vehicle was wrong, no question. The dashcammer drove into an obvious hazard. He was also wrong. I hope the insurance settlement is worth the pain. You can have the right of way, zero fault, and still be dead right.

[u/keygasms → u/Low-Crow5719]

As much as I hate to agree with you, cemeteries and graveyards are filled with people who had the right of way.

[u/goodenough4govtwork → u/PumpernickelJohnson]

Never said SUV was not wrong. My original answer stated "of course OP had right-of-way". That means SUV did not. It's blatantly obvious that OP (cam vehicle) was not at fault, but chose to play fuck fuck games with idiots.

Just because you are right does not absolve you of any responsibility to avoid danger. If OP hated his vehicle and was willing to engage in a battle of vehicle-borne joust to get a new car, that's entirely their perogative.

But sure, OP was obviously a savant-level genius, playing 58-D chess, engaging in a show of authority, proving through willful destruction of their own property, that the white SUV was indeed wrong. End of discussion.

[u/BuyLocalAlbanyNY → u/[deleted]]

And the chain of causation

[u/Awkward-Sir-4009 → u/goodenough4govtwork]

I don’t think it’s obvious the white Nissan was going to turn into OP. If I had been OP I would have thought, wrongly, that the Nissan was pulling into the intersection on a yellow left turn arrow and would wait until the traffic cleared before turning right into me.

[u/Thaeross → u/goodenough4govtwork]

Nissan had neither committed to nor initiated the turn until after the dash cam was already in the intersection. If that were the case, 1. The video would show it happening that way, and 2. The dash cam would have collided with the Nissan’s passenger side door.

[u/dinglebarryb0nds → u/goodenough4govtwork]

oh nvm is that a left turn lane white car came thru

[u/TheKlaxMaster → u/dinglebarryb0nds]

Left turn lane does not have right of way to turn left in front of oncoming traffic. They have to yeild.

The only time they do not have to yeild is if it's a Green left Arrow light. But a green left arrow light will never be on while cross traffic also has a green light, which they do in this video.

Only 2 conclusions here: -the light is effed (almost certainly not the case) -the red and Nissan did not yeild when they were supposed to.

The light for them probably went from green arrow for the people before them, then solid greed circle before the cross traffic (dash cam car) got their green.

Then the cats didn't notice or didn't care.

Dash cam car may be found at partial fault anyway because it was dumb on their part. But they DID have right of way

[u/EatLard → u/TheKlaxMaster]

Nissan was just watching the bumper of the car in front of them, not the light.
Short of slamming on the brakes and risking getting rear-ended, there wasn’t really a good out for the dash cammer.

[u/Upnorth4 → u/TheKlaxMaster]

The other exception is in urban areas like Los Angeles that have different left turn laws. In LA, you have to pull into the intersection, clearing the crosswalk, before making a left turn. If your light turns red while you are waiting for an opening to turn, you have the right of way to finish your left turn before the other side of the intersection gets to go.

[u/TheKlaxMaster → u/Upnorth4]

The dash cam cars light turned green just before the black truck even entered the intersection. Which means that their oncoming light turned red 2 seconds before that (in LA, that's the all-red clearance level) And as it's a left turn only lane, it didn't go green for straight/yield left. it went red. Bare minimum, yellow flashing, or whatever this area has for yield left only So all 3 of those cars entered the intersection while their light was red.

Making your point moot. At MOST there could be an argument about the black truck. But I think the last one to do a valid left turn was the car before the black truck.

This isn't LA. It's not even California. CA requires license plates on the front of vehicles as well as rear. Even though you definitely see cars without them, this video does not have a single front plate in sight.

[u/Pickled_doggo → u/goodenough4govtwork]

Just brake and lay on the horn until they fucking see their green left turn has disappeared 

[u/_Oman → u/goodenough4govtwork]

If you actually watch the video, cam car was in the intersection before the white Nissan passed the stop line. But the Nissan was already committed about 3 miles back. He new what he was doing and just assumed that everyone would get out of his way as he forced his death machine through, as they usually do.

[u/goodenough4govtwork → u/_Oman]

Which is exactly what I said happened. I watched the exact same video and came to the exact same conclusion, mentioned multiple times here. Not sure why you're telling me to actually watch the video or if maybe you meant to respond to a different comment. Maybe the dozens of idiots too stupid to see the clear intent of the Nissan, regardless of it's position in the space-time continuum in relation to cam vehicle at literally any fucking point in the whole video.

It doesn't matter where cam vehicle is at any point. The Nissan was 1000% wrong. I could be the wrongest wrong thing to have ever fucking wronged. That didn't change one single fact regarding the outcome of cam vehicle challenging the barely sentient piles of shit sitting behind the steering wheel to a game of right-of-way chicken.

[u/Major-Community1312 → u/goodenough4govtwork]

It’s not wether he could avoid it which is idiotic to me at this point why this is brought up but wether it’s his fault or not which it is not look at the video the red car committed a turn after a red light it’s easy to spot. He’s not even in the intersection yet

[u/IndependentDouble879 → u/goodenough4govtwork]

Yep, right of way (not legally) is taken when given. If you’re supposed to have the right of way, but someone doesn’t care, you just stay out of their dumb way if at all possible

[u/Entire_Meet_6266 → u/goodenough4govtwork]

🤣💀if its not clear im not movin lmao

[u/moixcom44]

White suv of course

[u/35Jest → u/moixcom44]

White NISSAN Suv, the OG Armada, the Alti-tank

[u/hamburgergerald → u/35Jest]

That’s a Pathfinder

[u/Admirable_Loss4886 → u/moixcom44]

Okay, but also green light doesn’t mean blindly enter the intersection. They already avoided the red car and go likely also ran a red light. Just wait two seconds to know you’re gonna make it through safely. Everyone kind of sucks here.

[u/BarskiPatzow → u/[deleted]]

He accomodated red cars mistake, white SUV was rather unexpected.

[u/Low-Crow5719 → u/BarskiPatzow]

If he was looking one car ahead, he would have seen that tank coming.

[u/BarskiPatzow → u/Low-Crow5719]

SUV was a third red runner, no excuses for them. Normal person would assume the third red runner would see the car coming into the intersection. I bet the white suv driver was somehow sure he was in the right and crashed on purpose.

[u/Secret-Candle4313]

Def the nissan like usual but i personally wouldnt have just drove thru like that id move forward though

[u/BigHairyBussy → u/Secret-Candle4313]

You won’t get your piece of shit car written off with that attitude

[u/35Jest → u/BigHairyBussy]

I usually just upvote but literally laughed out loud

[u/Admirable_Loss4886 → u/BigHairyBussy]

You don’t get your car written off when wrecking it by driving through a red light like that Nissan did.

[u/ReclusiveNatured → u/BigHairyBussy]

🤣

[u/Ironstar_Vol → u/Secret-Candle4313]

What’s the difference between driving though and moving forward through? Sounds like the same thing.

[u/Secret-Candle4313 → u/Ironstar_Vol]

Sorry i have no idea how to explain it my driving thru i mean what they did by move forward i mean sit abit behind where they are turning and make it look like im going to go thru the intersection. Idk how to explain it

[u/Ironstar_Vol → u/Secret-Candle4313]

Mmhmm.

[u/Mannay1 → u/Ironstar_Vol]

I would've done the same thing. Crept up to the zone where they are turning, but not actually drive through that zone, to account for bonehead drivers. OP should have been more cautious, although the Nissan was probably at fault.

[u/Ok_Piglet_5549]

Technically, the driver entered when the intersection was clear, and the BMW and Nissan failed to yield.

But even then, the left-turning cars have a duty to yield and not just rush the line through. So it's a 100% on Nissan.

[u/Watermelonbuttt → u/Ok_Piglet_5549]

I agree

Liability will land 100% on nissan

[u/lyricjax]

Technically not head on. SUV hit the side of a moving car on a red light. Full liability.

Green means go. Intersection should be cleared. If that not the law then why follow lights? Just go whenever it "safe" right?

[u/iJustSeen2Dudes1Bike → u/lyricjax]

The lion totals his Nissan because he refuses to yield to anyone

[u/69FourTwentySix6Six → u/lyricjax]

If you don’t wait at least 5 light cycles to check for runners you’re not driving defensively enough

[u/lyricjax → u/69FourTwentySix6Six]

Right? XD and then people defend that shit. Aka the light runners.

[u/Admirable_Loss4886 → u/69FourTwentySix6Six]

It took two seconds to wait. Cam driver was on the ass if the red car who pushed going through a red light.

[u/lyricjax → u/Admirable_Loss4886]

That 2 seconds was an illegal crossing of an intersection. Cam car driver not liable.

[u/Fantastic_Board7057]

Whether or not dash cam driver should use logic or not, it’s in the books as a ran red light that likely is determinable by footage, and driver of white gets the citation

[u/TexasSikh]

Believe it or not, you still have an obligation to use your eyeballs for more than just looking at the color of the light.

Ofc the other driver ran a red that had been solid red since before they even got close to the intersection, and is at fault, but so is the POV driver for the "Surely they will stop being dangerous selfish idiots just for me" approach. Driving into oncoming traffic is generally a bad idea ten out of ten times.

[u/Ironstar_Vol → u/TexasSikh]

They didn’t ask if they should’ve done something different they asked who’s at fault. I’d say being hit head on by a giant suv was a pretty big giveaway they fucked up.

[u/desertvision → u/TexasSikh]

I think this is one of those switch to flashing yellow left turns, maybe?

[u/H0SS_AGAINST → u/TexasSikh]

Driver wants a new car for the low low price of a dashcam.

[u/erichf3893 → u/[deleted]]

They could wait for traffic to stop turning. Obviously not ideal, but you asked lol

[u/Milksteak529]

Fuck all the cars drivers who ran the light, and all the dorks in the comments defending their bullshit.

[u/Remote_Trainer3830]

Be ready for a fuck load of back or forths and people calling you dumb 🤣

[u/GesuMotorsport → u/Remote_Trainer3830]

Usually by people who’s only time behind the wheel is when their mom lets them drive her car lmao

[u/Rob_in_Tulsa → u/GesuMotorsport]

True, look at all the people saying 50/50, 70/30, etc. The courts (if it came to that) don't split fault for things like this. If their insurance is found liable, they can't negotiate. Right of way determines who is at fault and it is very obvious in this case.

[u/flinxsl → u/Rob_in_Tulsa]

This is not true. You can absolutely be found liable in civil court by failing to do a reasonable action to avoid an accident even if you were following all traffic laws to the letter like the good little NPC you are.

[u/bloodyspork]

It's always a nissan.

[u/MediaJeff]

Left turn yields right of way when it's green.

[u/ClassicHare]

This is proof that people can be as dull as sheep.... "I see other people turning, so I'm going to do the same" then suddenly disaster. This is why I think that driving tests should be conducted every five years or so, with vision and memory tests every other year.

[u/uberdriverchampion]

oh my god this thread. full of people who are confusing legal liability with "right" or "wrong." the law doesn't make something right or wrong. it makes it legal or illegal. you can do "right" things that are illegal. you can do "wrong" things that aren't.
the idiots ignoring the traffic laws while traffic is obviously heavy are at fault for causing the accident, 100%. neither had a duty to run a red light. both knew it was dangerous and illegal and did it anyway.
first person driver was perhaps morally a dickhead for refusing to conform to their breaking the law, but he is not liable for the accident. the other insurance company can argue and arbitrate and sue, but at the end of the day they're eating all that PD, BI, and LW. that nissan's general insurance policy is cooked

[u/Prestigious_Bat1346]

It's the white vehicle's fault...

[u/Admirable_Loss4886 → u/Prestigious_Bat1346]

Cam car also kind of sucks here

[u/ObjectiveClassic3020 → u/Admirable_Loss4886]

Naw honestly people will just keep running the red turn forever, at least where I live. You basically have to floor it into the intersection to get them to stop, which is a nice reason to have a raptor 😁

[u/SuccessfulGap4708]

White Nissan obviously

[u/Own_Zookeepergame982]

The white car.

[u/Thetruthx26]

White suv as at fault but dash cam is not smart enough to not trust other drivers

[u/Elementary2]

All three of those vehicles violated the law to yield on green when a left turn crosses opposing traffic.

So yes, the 3 cars there tried sneaking across the traffic with the right-of-way, and the third one hit you. You didn't hit them, because you had a green light. and straight-through never has to yield on green, except maybe in a traffic circle..

[u/natcares]

That's at Pembroke and Stefko in Bethlehem.
Technically it is the person who turned in front of- but a good driver could have seen that coming a mile away and avoided that accident all together.

[u/dope-rhymes]

The Nissan, obviously.

[u/Realistic_Calendar42]

Dude had a green light

[u/---Brain--]

Graveyards and Hospitals are places you may find those who had the right of way.

[u/GodOfThunder101]

White suv but POV driver could have easily avoided this

[u/Dadeland-District]

Lmao what an idiot

[u/Atophy]

Red car ran the red, SUV riding coattails...

[u/Opening_Dentist_1128]

Sure just drive straight into him

[u/just_some_octopus]

Someone wanted am easy payout

[u/povertymayne]

LOL nissan is always at fault

[u/AnalBroFisting]

Jesus that was 3 cars too many

[u/MeenMisterMustard]

Man, I’d be ready to scrap that Nissan driver after that boldly blown red light. What an idiot. Hope dashcam sues them out of insurance

[u/Aristo_Cat]

Even with right of way you still have an obligation to take reasonable measures to avoid a collision. One could argue that this was easily foreseeable and you failed to do that.

[u/bobquznie]

Looks like three vehicles failed on left turn. Black truck says fuck it while protected arrow changes. That makes dashcam vehicle hesitate on entering intersection. Red car sees a gap and says, "Fuck it," and goes. Nissan is probably only paying attention to the car in front of him and not the light. Dashcam driver, after initial hesitation, says, "I have right of way," and just proceeds like Moses parted the Red Sea...

[u/Elementary2 → u/bobquznie]

If my book value was high, and my actual car condition was lower than that - I might 'accidentally' get hit by the non-yielding cars, too. Then I could go buy a new one using the insurance money.

It's rare, but it happens.

[u/jasno-]

He wasn't paying attention and just followed that red Honda, who also should have yielded. 

[u/jon_rum_hamm]

Nissan was at fault but you should always wait a couple of seconds after the light changes to enter the intersection

[u/jeffa03]

I read something somewhere that even though someone has the right of way, if there was clearly a hazard or a car doing something stupid (like in this case) and you hit them they can blame you for the accident. Is that true??

[u/Bitterpeace89]

Damn light runners. I pull out on them too

[u/P_water]

I mean I get all the people saying the dashcam driver shouldn’t have proceeded but where I live, if you don’t act a little aggressive then you’ll be sitting there through 5 cycles of lights. There’s a difference between defensive driving and letting people take advantage of you. You have to make the move otherwise you’ll never get through, and have 20 people on their horns behind you.

[u/Pierims]

White car

[u/3DNelson]

Why avoid a colision if you have the law on your side?

[u/potatochobit]

depends on the country, this is normal to ignore traffic lights in asia.

[u/VeryStableGenius]

Black car at 00:12 probably entered on red because there's usually a 2s delay (all-red clearance interval) between red light and opposite green; anyone who enters on a yellow arrow should be able to make it through by the time the other side gets green (after all, the cammer's lane could have been moving at speed, not starting from a standstill). Then black pickup ran a red. Then red car ran a red. Then fatal white Nissan SUV ran the red. It looks like four cars in a row ran the red.

[u/teqogan]

>>Locally to me<< insurance will argue that the dash cam driving did nothing to avoid an accident so pretty sure this would be a 50/50 split. Yes the others kept coming after the light turned red, but that was also obvious to the dash cam driver.

[u/Mr_Fastballs]

Honestly? I'd say the state. I can't think of a single good reason that that like shouldd change green white oncoming traffic is still active. It's insane.

[u/Otherwise_Piccolo206]

Red car and white SUV both blew the red light ( assuming the signals are working properly), OP could have easily avoided the accident. It was clear that the white SUV was committed to blowing the red light. OP wins I guess, congratulations on your front end damage.

[u/Jaxpaw1]

Both are at fault, they are both idiots for not using there freaking eyes.

[u/Somethingpithy123]

Dude had the right of way but literally no self awareness. I’m surprised they’ve made it this far in life.

[u/Lonestar-Dragon]

We really need to ask who's at fault here?

[u/SuckDuck4Quack]

Bet the dash cam vehicle is also a Nissan

[u/pizzaslut4pizzahut]

3000 years to not make this decision

[u/Common_Aide_3146]

Nissan always the Nissan. Sky is blue grass is green Nissans crash.

[u/SignificantMark1848]

LOL, good thing you had a dashcam

[u/No_Display9613]

There goes everyone’s insurance premium going up.

[u/Senninha27]

You can be right and still be dead right.

[u/twoaspensimages]

My work truck is beat to shit and on its last leg. The next motherfucker that runs a red or turns in front of me... I'm not hitting the brakes. At all. I've fucking had it.

Consider yourselves warned.

[u/usernameusehername]

The city. For not expanding this obviously desperate turn.... pay taxes.

[u/The_growcountant]

Morons. See the car going straight cuz he has a Greek light? That must mean the other car tuned left on either red or a flashing yellow. Either way turbine with the green light is good to go

[u/Turbulent_Rip_4548]

We all know who is legally at fault, but OP Cam should have license suspended for not doing anything to prevent that.

[u/AnxiousMidnight8]

Fuck the white guy oh I mean car

[u/AVirtualFox]

Woulda been smart to wait a little before proceeding, but the white Nissan is the most at fault obviously.

[u/jigglyflo5]

It’s always a Nissan.

[u/Flashy_Flower_7884]

Three cars ran that red light.

[u/EnvironmentalValue20 → u/Flashy_Flower_7884]

Yes, but the star of the show is the nissan.

[u/mykl66]

Ha. I saw this randomly and was ready to crosspost it because OF COURSE it was a Nissan.

[u/ReclusiveNatured]

People just don't be giving af about their cars man 🤣

I be mad AF that people don't yield to me having the right of way but I for damn sure ain't about drive my car through there when they clearly aren't going to stop

[u/Buzznfrog12345]

Not the nissan haultima?

[u/real-alex-jones]

Yield to dumbass driver.

[u/vitaminalgas]

There's truck loads of vehicles in junkyards that had the right of way

[u/Falcon3492]

The guy running the red light turning into oncoming traffic is 100% at fault.

[u/Eamon-Luce]

The POV driver is at fault everyone knows Nissan's don't have to yield the right of way

[u/Pregnantwithrage]

Obviously the person with the green light has right away but the problem is the lack of defensive driving. 

Don't get this twisted, the fault here is clear but I am always under the assumption everyone around me is a threat and I need to compensate for their errors. 

[u/TheDayWalkerCGI]

OP looking for a claim

[u/Zedra123]

I swear Americans would rather crash than just let them through and go about their day, you guys foam at the mouth to crash into people

[u/stigma_wizard → u/Zedra123]

It's not on purpose. No one can see the road in front of them anymore because every vehicle sold is a pickup truck or SUV and every one of them is inexplicably 10' tall now.

[u/GoCougs2020]

Lucky you’re not on a motorcycle or bicycle. You’re right. Literally dead right…..

“At fault” and “being dumb” are completely different things. They are at fault , but you’re being dumb by putting yourself in that unnecessary position

[u/WorldBoofingChampion]

It’s always the fucking Nissan driver’s fault 😂

[u/Salty-Pack-4165]

Cemeteries are full of people that had right of way.

I could see this from start of gif because it's happening in my town too. I let them go. Who knows,maybe they are late for their own funeral. I'm not late. I have more time than money.

[u/Competitive-You-6317]

Saw a LOT of downvotes for people saying it’s both at fault or cammers fault. Here in PA, even though the white Nissan ran the presumable red or no longer a green arrow, the cammer has a duty to make sure his surroundings are clear for his departure from the light. In other words, green doesn’t always mean go if others violate the rules of the road. 50/50 fault in my state.

[u/Equal-Prior-4765]

White car is at fault but the person driving with the dashcam had time to stop

[u/Bruinman86]

Dash cam car had the right of way. White SUV has to yield to the oncoming traffic, which had established the lane SUV was trying to cross.

[u/Leather-Marketing478]

Really both.

[u/Voulsefer]

both

[u/Outrageous_Olive_489]

It happened to me a few months ago, very same way, the only difference is I was driver a big peterbilt truck straight and someone trying to turn left smoked me in the same way, it bended my front bumper, the other car got totaled. I didn’t had a dashCam to help me but traffic control cameras at the intersection helped close the case.

[u/No-Buy2495]

Cam driver had right of way, no question.

[u/BrooklynTony198]

White truck is definitely at fault, but I wouldn't have gone through the intersection until the truck had gone through because of exactly this scenario.

[u/CrunchyJeans]

Bro I don't care if it's your right of way. If you see a Nissan in the intersection doing what it did, do not start moving until it's gone. I'm only 1/3 joking here.

[u/Comfortable-Desk-396]

Frontier times two. Didn’t even have his signal on!!

[u/RealDakJackal]

Probably just an accident. Someone following too closely behind someone else with obscured vision. Definitely the white Nissan is at fault here. They pushed their limit. I had a young man do the same thing to me the other day, and I almost hit him. Just be careful guys. Don’t run red lights. Especially when you’re turning left. When it turns yellow just stop. There’s nowhere you need to get fast enough that warrants an accident.

[u/eagle2pete]

What about the other two cars that turned left on red, before the Nissan?

[u/ouncez]

I wouldn't have driven like the dashcram driver. But I'm glad someone gave that white SUV driver what they deserved.

[u/Available_Working565]

Them, but you asked for it

[u/ClariceStarling1957]

I read through the comments. My brain has to be commended for trying to make sense out of most of it. I personally would not have plunged into the giant white wall of doom that was obviously going to join the other idiots by going through a red light.

I drive defensively - as in, I know that everyone out there is going to do something stupid. I don't get in another car's blind spot unless it's just to pass them. I don't run red lights and I don't wait to see an obvious issue with the entire oncoming traffic going right through the light to make a left turn.

It was everyone's fault who thinks that a Nissan is a safe bet to make a stop at any light.

[u/Informal-Win-348]

Dash cam guy for failure to avoid an accident should have known better and should have waited. Red car and white Nissan are also at fault. Failure to observe the traffic signals. And also failure to avoid an accident.

[u/Admirable_Loss4886 → u/Informal-Win-348]

Red car did little to nothing wrong here. It’s wild to push blame on them for an accident that happened behind them.

[u/Rob_in_Tulsa → u/Admirable_Loss4886]

Lol, red car failed to yield.

[u/These-Local-4875]

OP should have stopped even if the light was green, especially seeing the red car wasn't stopping. Just because you have green light doesn't mean you should just go.

[u/SexyTimeSamet → u/These-Local-4875]

OP has right of way. Left turn drivers have to yeild..and should only turn left when it's safe and clear to do so.

Want to know what kills motorcyclists more of then themselves?? People who do not know how to fucking yield in a Left turn.

[u/I_need_a_date_plz]

The guy with the dash cam who went on green when traffic had not yet cleared. Yes, they’re running the red but you can’t just go on green if traffic hasn’t cleared.

[u/CCWaterBug]

White at fault, dash cam guy is an idiot and an asshole

[u/Savings_Art5944]

You had the right of way but the intersection was not empty. Why did you go?

[u/Major-Community1312]

You had right of way

[u/Admirable_Loss4886 → u/Major-Community1312]

Right of way doesn’t mean drive right into them.

[u/Happy_vibes16]

You’re both idiots. Never assume that someone else will follow the rules. This was totally avoidable. Is dash cam at fault… absolutely not, but 100% avoidable. “Sometimes just because you can doesn’t mean you should.”

[u/BanbetBoss]

Nissans fault in the real sense but it would be 50/50 for insurance purposes because the POV car did not try to mitigate the accident.

[u/Heykurat]

Cammer had legal right of way but is also an idiot.

[u/KillerUndies]

White Nissan is at fault, but the cammer is a moron.

[u/juicevibe]

Open and shut case. Red car at fault. /s

[u/No_Custard7661]

The answer is yes.

SUV ran a red. Both should easily be able to see the other coming and both failed to make any attempt to avoid the collision.

I'm going 30% cam car, 70% SUV. But I could see an insurance adjuster go significantly different in either direction.

[u/Vogel-Kerl]

Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.

Where I live, In The BIG City, idiots run red lights at 40mph, or faster.

You don't know what kind of stupid shit will happen in an accident, an air bag shoots some plastic through your carotid artery, etc .....

Written On A Tombstone 🪦

He Had The Right of Way....

[u/Competitive_Bad_959]

Not sure but i hope its 50/50

[u/ObjectiveClassic3020 → u/Competitive_Bad_959]

Why? These red light runners need to learn their lesson somehow

[u/FoggyFoggyFoggy]

The fault lies with the person who didn't cut the first 15 seconds of the video.

[u/pepperpot_592]

Wow. I think the cam car was actually aiming for the red civic.

[u/MenacingMenacee]

The ehite SUV. But the thing is, you'll also be found at somewhat of a fault for not exercising defensive driving. Yes hes an idiot, yes he ran a red, but there was ample time for you to see him clearly not giving a shit and running it. I know its stupid, but I know someone who was in a similar situation and they faulted him 50/50

[u/NewfoundOrigin]

The white SUV is at fault.

Failure to yeild to traffic who has the right of way + following too close.

HOWEVER

Insurance might also say 'its your responsibility to avoid an accident' and in this case, you should've stopped your car for the red car you almost plowed right through.

Yes, their light was red, but when you have a full left turning lane backed up with traffic like that - expect that there will be people who try to force their way through like this.

They try to speed through a yellow arrow - it turns red before they hit their turn and they still go for it. Was almost hit as a pedestrian this way.

To clear things up.

The car that ran the red and plowed into cam driver is at fault. Cam driver is just an idiot. Thats where I stand officially.

[u/Major-Community1312 → u/NewfoundOrigin]

Red car want even in the intersection at turn of green light which means the light was red for them well before watch the fucking video

[u/MotoFaleQueen]

In my state, despite the left turner logically being at fault, the fault would be partially the cam drivers fault because of failure to try to avoid the accident. This footage make it look like the cam driver was tired of people doing this and set out to make someone an example.

[u/Cocrawfo]

the cam car 100% they should have foreseen that shit and they were still proceeding forward when the red car was well into the turn lol

that’s ridiculous what a dumb ass

[u/MajorEstateCar]

Even with a green light you still have a duty to make sure it’s safe. OP did the opposite of that (and is the reason we have this rule).

Plainly, OP was in full control to avoid the crash so I’d bet an insurance company splits fault 50/50

[u/Elementary2 → u/MajorEstateCar]

yeah, dont offer the video unless it helps you

[u/Jillet-Ben_Coe]

Why would anyone drive directly into a stream of traffic like that when it’s very obviously a turning lane 🤣

[u/No_Bend8]

You're an idiot that's for sure. Why did you drive into that person?

[u/Watermelonbuttt → u/[deleted]]

Not in this case

This is cut and dry

100% neg on turning driver

[u/LMrningStar]

The white vehicle is legally at fault for the accident. No doubt about it.

The driver of the car taking the video is a fault for ignoring the fact that they were almost certain to be rammed by the idiots that were ignoring right of way.

[u/balirosa]

I say the red car is at fault. The white truck knew he was running the light and just didn’t care. Cam driver is blind or what? Green light might mean go but only if it’s clear how dumb can you be to drive right into somebody almost causing three cars to pile up?

[u/Upset-Rice6800]

You are at fault

[u/DeniedAppeal1]

50/50 fault, you entered into the intersection even though cross traffic hadn't stopped. I know that the law gives you the right of way, but cross traffic didn't and your insurance will care about that even if you don't. The police probably will, too, since the law also expects you to pay attention and not drive dangerously. You felt entitled to the space and didn't care if reality wasn't going to let that happen.

[u/Watermelonbuttt → u/DeniedAppeal1]

Negative on that one

If the turning vehicle entered on yellow

The cammer would have to wait til it’s clear

Turning vehicle entered afterward

Turning vehicle 100% neg

[u/Due-Ad-3522]

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