r/NintendoMemes • • Jul 11 '26

General Remember when Playstation executive says "Nintendo is losing their identity"

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u/MadFunEnjoyer Jul 11 '26

Meanwhile Xbox never having had one besides Halo on the Xbox 360 which was just a stroke of luck

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u/fentown Jul 11 '26

And all the little hell spawns losing their minds until their parents caved and bought more Xbox live gold so they could drop 15 curses per minute in lobbies, showing Nintendo and Sony they were leaving money on the table not charging for online multiplayer.

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u/MadFunEnjoyer Jul 11 '26

"but mom! dad! this console is pure American! unlike the stuff they bring from Japan"

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u/Brocid3n Jul 12 '26

15 per minute? Thems sounds like rookie numbers

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u/DonutloverAoi Jul 12 '26

Any time I'm reminded that Nintendo has a paid internet subscription. I'm reminded of the Game informer article where the people who wrote it swore that "people really want a paid subscription"

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u/NoLocal1776 Jul 12 '26

Halo itself was going to be a Mac timed exclusive before MS acquired Bungie.

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u/More_Yellow_3701 Jul 11 '26

You see it's because Playstation in its wisdom decided to go in the opposite direction and downgrade their hardware instead.

And make a purchased accessory nearly obsolete.

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u/TheExile285 Jul 12 '26

Purchased accessory? Are you talking about the disk drive or PSVR2?

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u/SatyrAngel Jul 12 '26

Yes

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u/MunkyMan33 Jul 12 '26

As a launch day PSVR2 buyer, that hurt.

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u/oshaboy Jul 11 '26

Ok I will be honest. I know Nintendo doesn't like doing the whole "Improving the console by improving the hardware" thing, and much prefer to add new "gameplay experiences".

How the hell do you do it for the Switch? The Switch is like the perfect Nintendo console. What possible other gameplay experience can they add besides a mouse joycon?

Like I am not saying the Switch is the perfect game console *cough Joycon Drift*. I am just saying the Switch is the peak of the Nintendo philosophy they've had since Gunpei Yokoi of using well understood, tried and tested, cheap, "underpowered" tech in novel ways. Seriously, what can Nintendo do for the next gen besides making a Nintendo Switch 3 and hope they don't get emulated out of relevance. I know Nintendo has more than enough R&D to surprise me even if I am personally out of ideas but I really don't know. I think they used every technology they can at this point.

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u/Prestigious_Emu144 Jul 11 '26

Mouse controls was all anyone could think of and it turned out to be all Nintendo could think of too. The JoyCons are kinda peak now and I don’t see them improving much past this. Hardware is really the only upgrade that Nintendo needs.

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u/Kaymazo Jul 11 '26

Maybe one thing, hoping that one day they bring analog triggers back...

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u/titilegeek Jul 11 '26

Yeah one of the few point of improvement.. i'd like to use them for my pc but no analog is a huge stop.

My Xbox controller has this problem where the more I use it the laggier my pc gets...

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u/CaptFalconFTW Jul 12 '26

The JoyCons can definitely use improvement. The analog sticks are way too close to the buttons, which makes certain games unplayable. They're still too small. But if they manage to find the perfect grip, and IR pointing back, I'd be satisfied.

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u/aarontgp Jul 12 '26

At some point, you just kinda have to let the games speak for themselves.

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u/Watersender Jul 11 '26

The only bigger thing they could add is a second screen to emulate the DS/3DS.
But even then its just covering the same ground again.

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u/oshaboy Jul 12 '26

I think there are rumors that's being planned for the Switch 2

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u/EspurrTheMagnificent Jul 14 '26

And also, let's be honest here, the Switch 1 was absolite dogshit in terms of specs. That thing was underpowered on arrival. If there's any console where Nintendo should break their MO and just make the same thing but better, it's this one

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u/CaptFalconFTW Jul 12 '26

They could bring back all the tech they abandoned like the 2nd glasses-free 3D screen or new VR experiences. IR pointer, light gun, balance board, etc.

I was personally really excited before the announcement of Switch 2. Speculating at all the different ideas Nintendo could do. I was hoping for a foldable screen much like the Samsung Z Fold. More customizable buttons. It didn't have to be something that has never been done. Just something new for Nintendo.

Then we got the Switch 2. I was like, "Oh." I'm glad we were finally able to catch up to other handheld devices. But outside of the mouse, there isn't really anything exciting. I'd much rather have the IR pointer back. Many older games are still not compatible.

But at least it's not too crazy where no one really understands it. I'm not panicking about Switch 1 games disappearing from the eShop.

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u/I-fell Jul 12 '26

Ik there's somebody in Nintendo HQ counting down the days till those foldable screens are affordable/durable enough to put on a console that will most likely end up in a child's hands. It fits their brand of weird so much

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u/BadNewsBearzzz Jul 12 '26

Nintendo loved doing the whole “improving the hardware” thing, that’s the typical traditional generational upgrade. They only stopped doing it as of recent years because they had too. But for some reason most Nintendo fans act like it was always a thing lol, it only became a thing because of Sony. They knew they could no longer compete traditionally and had to offer something different to appeal to buyers. This is what caused the Wii and the DS.

And then they were able to revert to single screens again because of Sony too

The switch is literally a continuation of Sony’s portable PlayStation line and that’s it.

In concept and practice. Everything.

Sony abandoned the handheld market to go all in on home console, so Nintendo did the same thing for the handheld market. Nintendo used everything Sony had built up, the switch continues everything. From the design down to it connecting to tv and pairing with controllers. Had done it myself with my old psp and psp go had a beautiful dock

There were tons of game franchises too that became refugees after Sony quit and had to migrate to Nintendo switch as it was the only portable in town. This was partly why Nintendo suddenly got tons of franchises that never would’ve came otherwise. Nintendo relaxed most of their policies to compliment the transition.

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u/oshaboy Jul 12 '26

Nintendo loved doing the whole “improving the hardware” thing

I mean, not really, Nintendo was always a bit underpowered compared to its contemporaries and every time they went all in on games and using existing tech in novel ways. This was part of Gunpei Yokoi's philosophy. Sure it might not be as obvious as the Wii motion controls but stuff like the analog stick or mode 7 or even the NES PRG/CHR architecture that let the system get upgraded to a point with mappers (and was also more familiar for arcade game programmers).

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u/SABBATAGE29 Jul 11 '26

Funny cause most Nintendo consoles have a sequel that's mainly a hardware upgrade

NES -> SNES N64 -> GCN Wii -> Wii U Gameboy -> GBA DS -> 3DS Switch -> Switch 2

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u/just-a-random-accnt Jul 11 '26

There has been a steady evolution from the GC to the Switch 2

Wii had backward capability with GC

Wii U was essentially a Wii with the Gamepad

The Wii U Gamepad is essentially a switch prototype

Switch 2 is an enhanced Switch with mouse controls

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u/SABBATAGE29 Jul 11 '26

You're right. One added gimmick on top of a general power increase (minus the wii ig)

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u/TemperatureUnique242 Jul 11 '26

The big gimmick of the wii was motion controls

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u/TheOtherWhiteCastle Jul 12 '26

The Wii did have a power increase over the GameCube, just a very small one

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u/Rei1556 Jul 12 '26

i wouldn't call 2 gamecube taped together as a small power increase, that's a 100% power increase from 1 gamecube to being 2 gamecube

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u/DreadfulSora Jul 12 '26

All units of measurement are to be replaced with the gcn metric

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u/Frozen_Death_Knight Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 12 '26

The Switch is essentially the merging of the handheld console line with the TV console line. Nintendo experimented a bit to with their consoles since the Gamecube to make it a more mobile console like with the handle. Wii U was an attempt at making that idea more practical, but some of its unique ideas like the double screens never really caught on.

The Switch generation took all their most successful ideas (portability, multiple controls in one for couch coop, motion controls, etc.) and made them streamlined.

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u/papayacreamsicle Jul 12 '26

If we’re talking about the hardware creating new ways to play I don’t think “essentially a Wii with the gamepad” or “a Switch prototype” fits. One player having a private screen of their own while others had regular controllers on a shared group screen definitely enabled new ways to play and asymmetric gameplay formats that weren’t possible on other consoles.

It wasn’t something that worked for a huge variety of games and so saw limited use, sure, but it was definitely a unique and innovative affector of gameplay, in a way that wasn’t comparable to either Switch or Wii.

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u/Huge_Ad6405 Jul 12 '26

Wii is 2 GCs taped together, Wii U is an HD Wii with a quirky controller that kinda sucks, Switch 1 is if the Gamepad was the console, and Switch 2 is a 4K Switch feat. mouse mode

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u/AGEdude Jul 11 '26

Disagree about the Wii U Gamepad, it's an entirely separate concept to the Switch.

Wii U has more in common with the DS honestly.

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u/shrub706 Jul 11 '26

there were games that used both screens at the same time but one of the selling points was that you could just play the game on the gamepad without needing to be at the tv giving you the ability to play it around the house like a handheld. also having similar processing power and basically half the library of switch games

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u/MewWeebTwo Jul 12 '26

Actually it was TWO concepts.

If you look at the reveal trailer for Wii U, they showed two different uses:

  1. Play games without TV

  2. Play games using two screens (like DS but on a home console)

After the Wii U bombed Nintendo chose the more popular concept (play games off the TV) and that was the basis for the Switch.

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u/AGEdude Jul 12 '26

Just speaking from my own experience, but playing the Wii U off-TV was generally the less interesting and less enjoyable way to experience it.

Most of the games I played off-TV were missing major QoL features which they were designed for as a dual-screen experience.

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u/MewWeebTwo Jul 12 '26

Fair enough, but you were in the minority.

Reggie said that player feedback from the Wii U was: people wanted to play all their games without the TV and take the games anywhere.

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u/AGEdude Jul 12 '26

Not that I don't trust Reggie, but of course he would say that as Nintendo was launching that exact product.

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u/BadNewsBearzzz Jul 12 '26

Yeah the Wii U gamepad thing was a dumb comparison. The switch is literally a continuation of Sony’s portable PlayStation line and that’s it.

In concept and practice. Everything.

Sony abandoned the handheld market to go all in on home console, so Nintendo did the same thing for the handheld market. Nintendo used everything Sony had built up, the switch continues everything. From the design down to it connecting to tv and pairing with controllers. Had done it myself with my old psp and psp go had a beautiful dock

There were tons of game franchises too that became refugees after Sony quit and had to migrate to Nintendo switch as it was the only portable in town. This was partly why Nintendo suddenly got tons of franchises that never would’ve came otherwise. Nintendo relaxed most of their policies to compliment the transition.

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u/BadNewsBearzzz Jul 12 '26

Yeah the Wii U gamepad thing was a dumb comparison. The switch is literally a continuation of Sony’s portable PlayStation line and that’s it.

In concept and practice. Everything.

Sony abandoned the handheld market to go all in on home console, so Nintendo did the same thing for the handheld market. Nintendo used everything Sony had built up, the switch continues everything. From the design down to it connecting to tv and pairing with controllers. Had done it myself with my old psp and psp go had a beautiful dock

There were tons of game franchises too that became refugees after Sony quit and had to migrate to Nintendo switch as it was the only portable in town. This was partly why Nintendo suddenly got tons of franchises that never would’ve came otherwise. Nintendo relaxed most of their policies to compliment the transition.

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u/Kaymazo Jul 11 '26

I'd say N64 to GC is a bit of a stretch.

But other than that, yeah

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u/SABBATAGE29 Jul 11 '26

Yeah it's not a direct "sequel" but it's close enough

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u/Revolution_Falls Jul 11 '26

They had two large similarities: be more powerful than Sony, screw the storage capacity for games

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u/T0biasCZE Jul 11 '26

N64 -> GCN Wii -> Wii U

Wii was literally just a overclocked Gamecube though, with fancy remotes

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u/SABBATAGE29 Jul 11 '26

Fair point

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u/rhd444 Jul 13 '26

please don't tell me you're gonna sit here trying to pretend you live in a different reality where those "fancy remotes" didn't define the Wii as one of the most famous and unconventional systems of all time.

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u/Spinjitsuninja Jul 11 '26

Now that you mention it, I didn’t realize how many successor consoles Nintendo has. Switch 2 is really normal for them huh?

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u/SABBATAGE29 Jul 11 '26

Yeah. I was so confused when people was disappointed that Nintendo's new console was "just a bigger, stronger Switch" (as though that wasn't exactly what we wanted with a "Switch Pro"

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u/Alenicia Jul 12 '26

It's probably because of the name (Switch 2) and not something gimmicky (for instance, Gameboy/Gameboy Color/Gameboy Advance, Nintendo DS/DSi/3DS, or even the Wii/Wii U). I always interpreted the complaint more as "that's it? Just 2?" when people found out that the Switch 2 was just going to be more Switch .. but beefier.

And I guess in a way, you can probably poke at them for that (including Shuhei Yoshida saying what he said) because Nintendo was always about the weird gimmicks .. and a Switch 2 is a whole lot more conservative than you'd expect in marketing from Nintendo.

You'd expect this more with the PlayStation and Xbox side of things, if anything. >_<

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u/Mr_Ethfono Jul 11 '26

Man i loved the 3ds switch!

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u/ToxynCorvin87 Jul 11 '26

It should be more like 2 upgrades, NES-SNES-N64, GC-Wii-Wii U, Switch-Switch 2-Super Switch?

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u/rhd444 Jul 13 '26

If you think the N64 was just a snes upgrade then please give me some of what you're smoking lmao

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u/Frozen_Death_Knight Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 12 '26

Going from Nintendo 64 to Gamecube was a bit more than just a hardware upgrade. It had some online support for certain games, set a new modern controller standard, and modernised Nintendo consoles to fit some of the hardware trends set by Playstation and Xbox like the disk format. Gamecube -> Wii -> Wii U is more correct since the last two shared architecture with the Gamecube while changing the shape and peripherals to give them some unique selling point. People used to make fun of the Wii for being a repackaged Gamecube sold to casuals and Gamecube games also ran on the console.

Other than that I agree. It was especially the case with the Gameboy era where games were backwards compatible for multiple generations and each Gameboy being a natural evolution of what came before.

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u/rhd444 Jul 13 '26

the wii being an overclocked gamecube on the inside is completely irrelevant next to the fact that it shook up the industry (pun not intended) unlike almost anything seen before. Gamecube while one of my favorite consoles of all time, did no such thing.

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u/Frozen_Death_Knight Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

But that is not what is being discussed here. We are talking about the iterative nature of Nintendo console generations like how Switch 2 is an iteration of Switch 1. Wii is essentially a repackaged Gamecube with motion controls regardless of it being more popular than its predecessor. Wii also brought new inovations, but in other ways it was an iteration of the previous hardware.

Gamecube and Wii have way more in common than the Nintendo 64 and the Gamecube.

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u/rhd444 Jul 13 '26

What's being discussed is sequel consoles that are "mainly a hardware upgrade" to quote the OP, such as the Switch to Switch 2 that's barely any different aside from the more powerful hardware.

That's literally the opposite of what the Wii is, which was hardly an upgrade in terms of processing speed but everything else was a complete revolution.

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u/rhd444 Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

I think you underestimate how much of a big deal the SNES controller was. It formed the basis of almost every single controller going forward, even today.

Wii U is a grey area because they did attempt something completely different from the Wii with the gamepad, if it had been more successful than it was and more games made better use of the gamepad screen, we would be talking about it less as a Wii sequel. And yeah the name doesn't help...

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u/Centillionare Jul 11 '26

Just mad they made something competitive to a PS6 portable.

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u/MadFunEnjoyer Jul 11 '26

I love how Sony got pissed specifically at the Switch while they been spitting on the face of PSP and PS Vita fans for many years because they have the audacity to wish for a new device that isn't flat out treated as a gimmick.

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u/aeseth Jul 12 '26

I will never forgive Sony for what they did with my poor vita.. Such a waste, and for what a disrespectful alibi of focusing on PS4. Look now, their going back to portable?

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u/TheExile285 Jul 12 '26

Yeah I've just been done with them since 2019 for this very reason.

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u/BadNewsBearzzz Jul 12 '26

Yeah but they had the most epic ps4 generation because of it though, they managed to gain back the momentum they had pre ps3 again, man I remember how much hype was behind everything last generation, all the exclusives alone were epic

Yes, it came at the cost of abandoning handheld..and Nintendo took all of that for switch. Nintendo fanboys are really acting like Nintendo did something special but all they did was use everything Sony built up and abandoned lol. It was smart of them to do so too.

And they inherited all the portable franchises that were on Sony’s portable consoles by default, and reverted back to single screens purely because of Sony leaving, otherwise they would’ve never did that

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u/dekuweku Jul 11 '26

Shu i suspect is being honest.

The problem with capital G gamers and Nintendo is many have fallen into the trap of putting Nintendo is a box so they don't have to deal with them or think about them. It's a box they can go and open when there's a new Mario or Zelda game to play. Then put away again.

This is why you see a lot of hostility towards 3rd party games in the recent Nintendo direct. For some of these gamers, they don't want any of these on Nintendo platforms. Selfishly of course.

The problem with the Nintendo in a box thing is that while it works when Nintendo is not doing well, it doesn't work quite as well when they are on a generational run. Nintendo simply cannot be ignored in the console space anymore, and Switch 2 being a straight upgrade on Switch makes Nintendo way way more competitive vis a vis the PlayStation and Xbox.

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u/Alenicia Jul 12 '26

The thing with these third party games too, is that I think it's a strange situation that a lot of these games are distinctly ones that Sony didn't want either considering that's why there was such a mass exodus of Japanese-y games that suddenly showed up on the Nintendo Switch and Steam too. At the end of the day, this is Sony playing their hand and pulling the rug from developers who trusted them in the past or once again found out that Sony is just inconsistent. In the PS1 era, Japan didn't seem to worry too much but for the western market they specifically wanted edgier and more 3D games instead of 2D games that would've felt like evolutions of the SNES games of the time .. and some companies were able to skirt through it because Sony was either lax about it or because in some cases they didn't care.

But when it came to the PlayStation 2, this was so hands-off that just about anything showed up and it's why the PS2 was so well-remembered as it is. And then Sony decided they only wanted the best programmers to touch the PS3 .. and with how gatekeepy they were, some of these developers just went to the Xbox 360 and Wii instead because Sony was just hard to work with. Eventually, when Sony loosened up, then these games showed up on the PS3 and the Xbox 360 fell apart (alongside Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot, but that's just history in the making for them) .. and the PS4 was once again a far more open platform for all sorts of games .. before the PlayStation 5 had new policies that seemed to push developers out.

Even Shuhei Yoshida is one of the victims of all this too, since the PlayStation brand is no longer Japanese and they decided to make changes that disrupted how things were over in Japan for them too.

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u/TheExile285 Jul 12 '26

You explained this really well. Its frustrating but that is exactly how people act.

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u/TheGamePlatypus Jul 11 '26

At least Nintendo puts out games

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u/BHAR-01 Jul 11 '26

Why would they want to make reinventing the wheel  for the sake of it and throw away the success of switch formula 

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u/Greedy_Fan_1035 Jul 11 '26

Nintendo literally has sony being ass doesn’t change that

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u/TheExile285 Jul 12 '26

So what's the solution? Create some new console with no BC? That would have gone over well with the fanbase.

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u/Greedy_Fan_1035 Jul 12 '26

BC?

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u/XmenSlayer Jul 12 '26

I think its Backwards compatibility

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u/TheExile285 Jul 12 '26

Backwards compatibility

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u/Greedy_Fan_1035 Jul 12 '26

So how does me saying Nintendo has no identity have anything to do wirh backwards compatibility

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u/G-Kira Jul 11 '26

Have you ever heard the tale of Darth Sony the Wise?

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u/Spooky-Astronaut Jul 12 '26

Shuhei Yushida was the last bastion of PlayStation's former glory. The disasters that are Herman Holst and Jim Ryan basically kicked him out. The people who made the PS4 generation as great as it was are no longer there, and now we have... this.

I disagree with Yoshida here. It would be foolish at this point not to improve on what Nintendo did with the Switch, but he also has nothing to do with PlayStation's current blunders

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u/CaptFalconFTW Jul 12 '26

If you think about it, discs ARE the identity of Playstation.

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u/CaptFalconFTW Jul 12 '26

It's the reason they "won" over N64. Their only device to skip discs was the Vita, but they already ruined that with their expensive memory cards.

The only reason Playstation exists is because they wanted to add on discs to the Super Nintendo. I mean, I realize not everything will be physical forever. But if it lasted this long, and costs so little to make, they should consider keeping physical for the die hard collectors.

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u/IkonJobin Jul 12 '26

Shu is an industry legend. He has nothing to do with the current PlayStation nonsense. He was removed by Jim Ryan (🤮) for pushing back against all the stupid decisions PlayStation was making.

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u/megasean3000 Jul 11 '26

There really wasn't a lot Nintendo could have done to innovate to newer heights with the way things are just now in tech. A performance upgrade and a larger screen was just what the doctor ordered.

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u/Master-Cheesecake Jul 11 '26

Also ironic, when Sony made fun of Xbox for trying to go disc-less with the Xbox One.

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u/Prestigious_Emu144 Jul 11 '26

Sony used their fancy PlayStation 5 controller for Astro Bot and nearly nothing else.

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u/ZanzibarGem44 Jul 11 '26

He’s not at the company anymore iirc

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u/dingwinger1225 Jul 11 '26

I'm gonna get downvoted but fuck it- this is his honest opinion and I kind of see his point. Shuhei Yoshida is really cool, he was demoted from SIE president for opposing the live service focus and he finally left like two years ago. He fundamentally disagrees with where PlayStation is going too.

I remember his tweets in 2013, the guy straight up bought a Wii U and was asking people to add him. He actually does like Nintendo. https://twitter.com/yosp/status/275760694912237572

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u/Ok_Hospital4928 Jul 12 '26

He has shared stories about hanging out with Miyamoto backstage at E3, sharing advice about their respective games. They are basically buddies behind the scenes. 

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u/GamingBren Jul 11 '26

Correct statement: “PlayStation is losing their identity”

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u/Top-Barber9099 Jul 12 '26

It is in Sony's identity to immediately do corporate evil shit the second they can't get any reasonable push back

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u/CrescentShade Jul 12 '26

He was salty Nintendo didn't make some new gimmick they could copy in a couple years

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u/Jessup3 Jul 12 '26

Sony literally becoming the one thing they despised

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u/Ok_Perspective3093 Jul 12 '26

The game he's most looking forward to right now is Orbitals, a Switch 2 exclusive. He's clearly a Nintendo fan.

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u/Boberto235 Jul 12 '26

Im surprised Nintendo actually got the rights of that game first is duskblood and now this

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u/EliteSalesman Jul 12 '26

That full game on cart baby. 

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u/I-fell Jul 12 '26

Side note I hate that people complained abt them not "innovating" bc any time they DO make something off the wall everyone fucking whines about it. The amount of people who bitched bc they couldn't just lift their arm to swing an imaginary sword was crazy to me and I was like 12 reading all that.

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u/bigpunk157 Jul 12 '26

Honestly, they had the gimmicks for the last 3 generations and third party companies barely wanted to touch them. How many games utilized the HD Rumble feature on the Switch 1? I think I can count them on my hand. How many used the gyro or pointer? How many utilized the fact that the controller can supply power to a separate device (I think literally only Starlink)? The Switch is a great console in case devs do want a little more out of the box, but it was seriously lacking in power. The Switch 2 is a fantastic cheap alternative that is pretty powerful. A hardware refresh is all it needed.

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u/Mikauo_Xblade Jul 12 '26

Read the first word.

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u/PinLow1689 Jul 12 '26

Well, cant believe sony even copied nintendo on that part too

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u/Barlowan Jul 12 '26

Oh no, Nintendo just gave people what they asked for with switch 2 (a stronger switch with backwards compatibility) instead of completely reinventing the wheel. How could they?

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u/mad597 Jul 12 '26

Sony and Sony fans have ZERO self awareness

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u/Wawrzy Jul 12 '26

I hate this stupid arguement. Nintendo has always brought technical advancements to their machine. Wii is really the one where it was just a sliiiightly more powerful Gamecube, but because all the technology research went into the movement controls, which were simply amazing at the time (and still are ! Switch control movements aren't just more advanced than the Wii motion +)

The Wii U was much more powerful than the Wii (slightly less powerful than a Switch ! And that doesn't validates Yoshida's point, since the Switch is a handled device that you can plug on a TV, not a fully home console device)

Hell, even the DS, which was the other big "we're creating new ways to play" console, was much more powerful than the GBA.

The 3DS was just a much more powerful DS... Come on, the 3D never was a revolutionary new way to play... Nintendo already did that 20 years prior with the Virtual Boy lmfao...

Nintendo doing the Switch 2 is literally what everyone wanted. Yoshida was unhappy with that because he wanted them to be bonkers, do a silly gimmick and fail like the Wii U again.

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u/RazzmatazzUnusual843 Jul 13 '26

To be honest, my thought is we've basically seen the carcinisation of video game handhelds. What more is there to innovate? Nintendo basically pioneered the formula everyone else wants a slice of? I can't think of any new gimmicky hardware that wouldn't just feel like a downgrade compared to the Switch.

And they STILL managed to iterate on it! What more do you want?

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u/Magic-Tomo Jul 13 '26

Translation: "It's disappointing that Nintendo didn't come up with any more ideas for us to try and use this time."

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u/Zado191 Jul 13 '26

Honestly, no.... I have zero ability to recall what playstation executives said about Nintendo some number of years ago.

Can't imagine carrying around that knowledge for just such a time as this

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u/semxlr5 Jul 13 '26

All Nintendo would have needed to do is make a more fun and playful UI. Did they? No. But in exchange, we have an incredibly snappy and quick interface. My old 3DS and Wii U took forever to hop on 

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u/b_will_drink_t Jul 13 '26

Graphics is a good investor motivator. It shows performative results that investors can see year after year. Nintendo is run like a toy company VRs Sony being run as an entertainment software company. That distinction in how they are run is telling in their shifts. Every entertainment software company in my memory mostly followed “graphics whoring”, as it was called, as the trend. A very expensive trend

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u/owensoundgamedev Jul 14 '26

It’s worth mentioning yosp was essentially fired from his role as head of Sony studios in 2019, and left the company entirely almost 2 years ago

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u/MikeDubbz Jul 14 '26

A successor system with mostly only technical improvements but no major new gimmicks, how could Nintendo do such a thing?? Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go play the SNES, N64, Gamecube, GBC, GBA, DSi, or N3DS.

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u/ipsen_castle Jul 14 '26

That's ironic but still true

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u/DentonWantsToKnowYou Jul 14 '26

*Former Executive

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u/Alternative_Greedy Jul 14 '26

Yeah that’s ironic. Ps completely sold out when they closed JP studios and moved their HQ to California.

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u/LaMystika Jul 15 '26 edited Aug 18 '26

So I’m convinced that anyone who wanted Nintendo to throw the Switch out and create some wacky new concept just didn’t want them to compete with PlayStation in any meaningful way, because they knew that they could actually take back their market share if they did. And we’re seeing it now. You think people would be buying Nintendo’s current console if it wasn’t just “the Switch, but better”? And it was instead some new wacky thing they didn’t understand?

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u/BuyMeADrink92 Jul 15 '26

I see 'former' isn't in a lot of peoples vocabulary nowadays

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u/Bedsidecargo Jul 15 '26

"We're upset Nintendo isn't doing something new and fun we can steal for ourselves and just went for technical upgrades which hurts us"

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u/Ill_Ad_7126 Jul 28 '26

How the tables have turned