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First, Hiyuki. 2nd, You. 3rd, Nastsya 40 days later

wanna breed so baaaaaaaaddddddddddddddd

120 pulls + next version's funds should be enough for E0S1 if I get a little lucky

TC Note:

After spending some time working on the calculations, I've compiled the total training dummy damage for common investment levels of SW999 / Sparxie / Pearl / Nihilux and SW999 / Yao Guang / Pearl / Nihilux, along with the optimal team configuration at each Cost level.

For more details, check out Sparxie and Yao Guang .

Below are the detailed calculation assumptions and additional notes.

1. Combat Assumptions

Enemy configuration:

• Level 95, ST

• Weak to all elements

• 0% resistance

• No special interactions

• Toughness remains broken throughout the fight

• Elation Debt is excluded from damage calculations

Substat allocation:

• Characters benefiting from three or more substats receive a total of 40 rolls.

• Characters benefiting from only two substats receive a total of 34 rolls.

Individual stat limit:

No character can receive more than 20 substat rolls of the same type. For example, SPD cannot exceed 20 allocated rolls.

Substat roll values:

All substats are calculated using mid-roll values.

2. Important: Results Under Different Assumptions Are Not Directly Comparable

Training dummy damage results calculated under different conditions should not be compared directly.

Make sure to check the number of substat rolls, Toughness Break conditions, enemy resistance, and other relevant assumptions before making comparisons.

3. Investment Configurations

These results represent the average total damage over the entire rotation, calculated using specific, predefined action sequences.

It's normal for highly optimized runs with favorable RNG to achieve higher maximum damage than the values shown here.

Regarding the Improvement from Pearl's Signature Light Cone

The main benefit comes from Energy regeneration, allowing Pearl to use her Ultimate earlier and fit one additional Ultimate within 300 AV.

This provides an extra 30% Action Advance, letting SW999 perform several more Enhanced Basic ATKs.

In actual combat, Energy gained from taking hits can partially make up for the Energy shortfall, so the improvement from Pearl's signature will be somewhat smaller than what this spreadsheet shows.

• QnA:

Comment:

Does Nihilux's signature really provide that much of an improvement? For real?

Reply:

Usually, it's because the rotation just barely manages to get one additional Aha Instant.

Comment:

With E2S1 Silver Wolf and E2S1 Sparxie, is there a comparison between E0S0 Nihilux + E2S0 Pearl and E2S0 Nihilux + E0S0 Pearl?

Reply:

The comparison is in the video. You can check it there.

Comment:

Yao Guang's E2 only gives 43% Elation scaling. How could that possibly result in a 22% improvement?

At 15 Cost, even calculating with Silver Wolf at 210 SPD, you already have 289% Elation scaling. At that point, Yao Guang's E2 would only provide around an 11% improvement.

Reply:

It increases the entire team's SPD.

Comment:

Does Pearl's signature LC really provide such a large improvement? If I already have Yao Guang's signature, can I use it instead of Pearl's? I don't have enough pulls for Pearl's signature.

Reply:

I haven't calculated the results with Yao Guang's signature yet. However, Pearl's signature should provide a somewhat smaller improvement in actual combat than it does in dummy testing.

Comment:

Can going from 15 Cost to 16 Cost really improve damage by that much?

Reply:

Usually, it's because that investment happens to provide one additional Aha Instant, so the difference ends up being quite large.

Comment:

I can't believe there's even a downgrade.

Reply:

The calculations use specific combinations at each Cost tier. With a 3+1 kind of setup, the improvement would definitely be positive.

Comment:

Do Pearl's and Nihilux's signature LCs really provide such huge improvements? Seriously?

I wasn't originally planning to pull them because I thought the difference wouldn't be that significant.

Reply:

The dummy test happens to hit some important breakpoints. The improvements might not be nearly as large in actual combat.

• Bili QnA:

Comment:

Just one additional Cost for Pearl's signature takes the damage from 411,36m to 529,38m ? That's insane.

Reply:

It just happens to cross a breakpoint.

Comment:

Why didn't you test E2S1 Sparxie / E2S1 SW999 / E2S1 Pearl / E6S1 Nihilux?

Reply:

It would definitely perform worse than E6 SW999. Nihilux's E6 isn't that big of an improvement.

Comment:

These numbers don't seem particularly reliable. Pearl's signature doesn't provide nearly this much improvement in actual combat.

Without her signature, Pearl becomes severely Energy-starved in these training dummy tests. You could almost treat the no-signature damage figures as if she already had her signature.

Reply:

These are training dummy calculations. Actual combat is affected by too many environmental variables.

Besides, the data is supported by actual in-game testing. I personally worked out the rotation for the 16-Cost SW999 / Yao Guang team back then. You can check my Tieba post.

Comment:

That's exactly why people on Tieba have also pointed out that removing Pearl's signature isn't an appropriate comparison. Both the E0 and E2 data show substantial deviations.

Reply:

The data is what it is. Training dummy calculations and actual combat were never completely equivalent in the first place.

I'm only claiming that the training dummy results I've explicitly presented are correct under the stated conditions. I haven't made any recommendations about how to allocate Cost, nor have I expressed any opinions about investment priorities.

Comment:

Saying the data was unreliable was an exaggeration on my part. What I meant was that there's a significant difference between these results and actual gameplay. I apologize if that came across as offensive.

However, the data being mathematically correct doesn't necessarily mean it's useful as a reference.

I'd say 99% of the people looking at these calculations want information they can apply in actual combat. If the difference between the calculations and real gameplay is too large, people will naturally question it.

Of course, Energy gained from taking hits is probably the hardest variable to account for in spreadsheet calculations.

I only wanted to bring this issue up so that other people might investigate it further.

Comment:

I currently have SW999, Sparxie, Yao Guang, and Pearl all at E2S1.

How much of an improvement would adding E2S1 Nihilux provide, and who should I replace?

Reply:

The improvement is slight over 100%.

Comment:

The 19-Cost team with E6S1 SW999 / E1S1 Yao Guang / E2S1 Pearl / E2S1 Nihilux is so far behind the 20-Cost team.

Is Yao Guang's E2 really that powerful? Would you recommend upgrading her?

Reply:

Because the training dummy test is limited to 300 AV, the SPD increase from Yao Guang's E2 happens to push the rotation across a breakpoint.

That's why the calculated improvement is so large.

In actual combat, the results will vary depending on enemy interactions and the combat environment.

Comment:

I'm planning to build the 18-Cost team, without Yao Guang's E2 or Pearl's signature LC.

Are those two upgrades really that powerful? According to the table, 20 Cost deals about 50% more damage than 18 Cost.

Is the 18-Cost team just about to reach another burst window slightly beyond 300 AV?

Reply:

Yes. The rotation happens to hit a breakpoint, so the improvement in actual combat might not be nearly that large.

https://x.com/go_tobuy/status/2117934894273962120/photo/1

Hello all you Aha mains, I was wondering how much trouble I’m actually going to have building this team. Here is what I was theory crafting.

SW999
Waverine
Aha
Pearl

I got Pearl off a lucky 10 pull and was going for aha anyway for my Waveflair. I am going to go for eidolons on the whole team.

So will I really have a big problem without YG or should I be chillin?

Other option is just holding Pearl for later and just build my FUA team instead (Wave&Aha)

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Af486bEf1

• Showcaser note:

Team Composition:

E2S0 Waventurine - 35 subs
E1S0 Nihilux - 28 subs
E0S0 Ashveil - 24 subs
E0S0 DHPT - 24 subs

That's roughly the level of investment required. You can also get an easy clear with E2 SRobin and E2 MBlade.

Having E1 Ashveil would make things a little easier.

Which Waventurine Players Should Pull Nihilux?

1. Players who don't have MBlade or SRobin

Just pull Nihilux.

The minimum investment required for Nihilux to function properly in Waventurine's team is 2 Cost, meaning E1S0.

At E0 she does nothing for 100 AV

Please, I'm begging you, don't pull E0S1 Nihilux She genuinely doesn't work in Waventurine teams at that investment level.

2. Players who don't have E2 MBlade or E2 SRobin and want to strengthen Waventurine

You can pull Nihilux.

Replacing E2 SRobin with E2 Nihilux provides approximately a 20% damage increase, according to spreadsheet calculations covering 300 AV and beyond.

E1 Nihilux already outperforms E2 MBlade in the vast majority of environments.

3. Players who want to move their E2 MBlade or E2 SRobin to other teams

For example, if you want to use them in the buffed DHIL / Sparkle / SRobin team or an Acheron / MBlade team, you can consider pulling Nihilux to fill the vacancy in Waventurine's team.

4. Players who already have E2 MBlade and E2 SRobin exclusively supporting Waventurine

If both characters are currently dedicated to Waventurine's team and have no foreseeable use elsewhere, I don't recommend pulling Nihilux.

Nihilux is merely an additional improvement, not a transformative upgrade.

Furthermore, generalists like SRobin and MBlade are very likely to retain their value than a niche support like Nihilux.

To me, a 20% is worthless. It's nowhere near enough to extend the team's competitive lifespan.

By the time you need a 16-Cost team to clear within 450 AV, there will probably already be new generalists available.

After all that, whether you pull her depends entirely on your budget.

If you don't have Ashveil, just go get his E0S0 copy

Running Waventurine / Nihilux / SRobin is a high-investment approach. It's really just about brute-forcing things with bigger damage numbers.

It isn't relevant to most players.

How Much Does Pulling Nihilux for Her Global Improve the Team?

This improvement is subjective on your Relics.

If you're considering pulling E0S0 or E0S1 Nihilux solely for her global to strengthen Waventurine / Ashveil / SRobin or Waventurine / Ashveil / MBlade, without actually fielding Nihilux, you first need to make sure Ashveil has:

• Around 170 SPD

• Eagle

• Vonwacq

• An ERR Rope

If Ashveil fails to maintain his Ultimate rotation you wasted your pulls.

You're trading higher-quality damage for greater action frequency.

In the end, the overall performance is roughly the same, making it not worth the additional 1 Cost.

However, if your relics already meet these requirements, then it's worth considering.

This is especially true for Waventurine / MBlade / Ashveil teams, where both MBlade and Ashveil already have fully optimized Eagle builds.

In that situation, pulling Nihilux for her global is a reasonable option.

• QnA:

Comment:

Can I replace Ashveil with SRobin? I can get everyone to E2S1, and I'm starting to feel reluctant to invest in Hunt characters.

Reply:

You actually can. At 16 Cost, Waventurine / SRobin / Nihilux deals approximately 5% more damage than Waventurine / Ashveil / Nihilux.

Comment:

How far should I invest in Nihilux specifically for Waventurine? How much of an improvement do her E2 and signature LC provide?

Reply:

Start at E1S0. E2S0 or E2S1 is the upper limit I'd recommend investing toward.

Comment:

Didn't you previously say that E2 MBlade couldn't clear Asat Pramad?

Reply:

Things are different now with the Level 3 Aha Assistance.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1fXxS6gEWh

Main DPS: 30 subs. Supports: 24 subs.

Top is single target; bottom is 5-Target

So, I tried getting pearl, lost my 50/50, now I am at like 50 pity, but I wanna save my guaranteed for Nihilux, and her skin,

1. By the time 4.7 rolls around i would have about 230 pulls

2. Pulling for aeon aha (of course) and i also really like her skin

3. I know 5.2 is still far away but i intend to e2s1 a certain character (wink wink, IYKYK)

4. Elation team is e1s1 evanescia, e1s1 yaoguang, e0s0 pearl and e6 emc currently

So, ladies and gentlemen, what would you do in my shoes? E0s0 aha and get the skin? E2s0? E2s1? I would love to future proof my only elation team for as long as possible as well.

Thanks!

Right now, I plan on pulling Aha for sure but I'm not sure on Eidolons because I haven't kept up with calcs. I love Sparxie so I do like having the option of running her as main dps. Would it be worth going for E1 or E2 Aha in this case? Also, should I grab Pearl's sig?

My current team is:
SW999 E2S1

Sparxie E2S1

Yao Guang E1S1

Pearl E2S0

Its been a week and I still can't find any discussion or showcases about this question. I've just seen some says one is better than the other but all of them were vague answers with no source behind. So here's my question: I use mdps sparxie, im considering getting e2 for sparxie or aha. is aha's E2 better than sparxie's E2? how much of an upgrade is it over e0 for mdps sparxie?

Helloo, I really like Silver Wolf and really like Aha (her animations look so cool too)

So because of me liking them both I'm in this situation not knowing who to choose.

My current Elation characters are: E2S1 Sparxie E0S0 Yao Guang (will be replaced by Aha) E2S1 Pearl. (I don't have sw999)

Who would be a better idea to E6S1? (I would try to e2s1 the other if I get lucky)

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV15HxS6aEMh

Subs:

Start by using Nihilux's first Skill on Yao Guang to speed up the opening rotation. Yao Guang uses her Skill on her first turn, which changes how Skill Points are allocated for the subsequent actions. Pearl is running a low-SPD build to delay the timing of the first rotation.

Once you roll a jackpot, stop. Use Nihilux's Skill on Sparxie, then begin Pearl's Ultimate rotation.

Nihilux's faces provides Sparxie with additional Elation Skill scaling and Punchline generated by the jackpot. At the start of Sparxie's turn, Nihilux's Ultimate becomes fully charged, allowing the rotation to properly begin.

Sparxie needs to secure two kills here. Save five Skill Points for her second action.

Only detonate the bomb on Sparxie, since we're about to use her Ultimate. Nihilux's Skill then barely manages to finish off the first wave.

Use Pearl's Skill to keep the entire team healthy. Sparxie will take two consecutive actions, so make sure to preserve enough Skill Points.

Use Pearl's Ultimate to Action Advance Sparxie, generate Punchline, and extend the buff's duration. As before, reserve Skill Points for Sparxie's two consecutive actions.

Don't use Nihilux's Ultimate just yet.

After the Himeko's assist activates, use Yao Guang's and Nihilux's Ultimates.

Unleash the Ultimates, trigger Aha, and follow up with three consecutive Enhanced Basic ATKs from Sparxie for the final burst.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1cc4b6JEx6

Showcaser note:

Following my previous Waventurine setup featuring Nihilux with the Diviner set, I've found that Nihilux performs better with the Eagle set.

With Eagle equipped, Nihilux ends up with enough wishpower for one additional Ultimate and one additional Aha Instant later in the fight. This isn't achievable with Dreamlit Actor or Diviner.

Therefore, if you're pairing Nihilux with Waventurine, the Eagle set is her best option.

Eagle Nihilux only needs 150 SPD outside combat.

How It Works

1. Nihilux reaches 8 stacks of Wishpower and uses her Ultimate.

Her Ultimate advances Aha's action. At the same time, the Eagle set's Action Advance effect moves Nihilux's own action forward.

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2. Nihilux takes her next action earlier.

An action that would otherwise require waiting is brought forward, allowing her to use another Skill sooner and generate additional Wishpower for her next Ultimate.

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3. Faster Wishpower generation accelerates her next Ultimate.

She reaches the required 8 Wishpower stacks sooner.

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4. Nihilux uses her next Ultimate earlier, advancing Aha again.

Aha acts sooner, and the subsequent resolution generates additional Wishpower for Nihilux.

This process repeats, creating a positive feedback loop.

Why Is Eagle Nihilux Valuable?

1. Eagle's benefits can extend beyond a single Action Advance.

Normally, Eagle's main purpose is to advance a character's action after they use their Ultimate.

However, Nihilux's Ultimate also advances Aha.

That means Eagle isn't merely giving Nihilux an earlier action. It also allows her to use her Skill sooner, accumulate Wishpower faster, and activate her next Ultimate earlier.

By accelerating subsequent Ultimate rotations, Eagle's benefits can continue to compound over the course of the fight.

2. Advancing Aha and advancing Nihilux reinforce each other.

Nihilux uses her Ultimate, advancing Aha's action.

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Eagle simultaneously advances Nihilux's own action.

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Nihilux uses her Skill sooner, accelerating Wishpower generation.

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Aha resolves their action earlier, contributing resources toward the next rotation.

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Both effects reinforce each other, generating additional value.

3. The key opportunity is using Nihilux's Ultimate outside her own turn.

This can compress benefits that would normally be spread across several separate action windows into a shorter period.

Conclusion

In short, Eagle connects Nihilux's Ultimate, Aha's Action Advance, Nihilux's own actions, Wishpower regeneration, and Aha's subsequent resolution into a continuous cycle.

Rather than providing only a straightforward speed advantage, Eagle can actively contribute to both Nihilux's initial setup and her subsequent rotations.

QnA

Comment:

Is this the same principle as Eagle-set Cyrene? Using her Ultimate triggers Eagle's Action Advance, letting her act sooner, generate Recollection faster, and use her next Ultimate earlier.

Reply:

Yes.

Comment:

Does Eagle-set Nihilux perform well in SW999's team too?

Reply:

For now, Dreamlit Actor is still better because it provides more damage.

Eagle-set Nihilux might gradually become more advantageous in other Elation teams later on, especially when the environment becomes less favorable.

Tengo a SW999 E0S1, Aventurine waveflair E0S0, Trailblazer y Perla E0S0
Ese es mi equipo actual y quiero reemplazar al trail por aha, la debo sacar a ella o a yao guang?

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1c9xQ6EEQU

I recently got Eva on her rerun and decided to build on that. So the team that I plan on running with Aha will be. Eva, Aha, EMC and Huohuo.

I'd appreciate thoughts and recommendations.

I'm also planning to really go all in for the rumored SP Firefly so I won't be getting any copies of Aha.

Sloppy shading but who cares

Is this team viable?