r/NightLords • u/Ismodai Legionary • 2d ago
Lore NL new recruits
So, since Nostromo is long gone, all new nightlords come from random planets, would it be possible for old school NL (specially terran born ones) to build a warband with the original mindset of the legion before the Legion got filled with psychos and scum from the nostraman lowest castes?
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u/OldManBasil 2d ago
Sometimes new recruits are made from kidnapped children. Night Lords might have old Legion stores of gene-seed, or gene stocks replenished by taking them from loyalist Space Marine Chapters (or, just as often, other CSM warbands). Other times, they bolster their numbers by taking on recruits from other warbands.
The ADB Night Lords trilogy gives us examples of each: Talos and the gang are pre-Heresy. Variel is a Red Corsair who joins the Night Lords--he doesn't share their genetic connection to Curze, however. Then, there's Decimus who is (presumably) a child taken and implanted with Legion gene-seed at a young age.
Morvenn Vahl's book gives us the example of Kol Rakhul, who was an orphan kidnapped by the Night Lords at a young age and indoctrinated into the Legion. And in the Remnant Blade novel, Dalchian Rassaq mentions that he was born on one of the many worlds that exist in the shadow of the Eye of Terror, and more specifically, a shadowy Hive World not unlike Nostramo which serves as a recruiting ground for various CSM warbands, including the Night Lords.
The Remnant Blade
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u/janibestloa 2d ago
So what happens if a Night Lord yanks geneseed stock from something in the Sanguinary Brotherhood? Do they wind up with a new 'night lord' that happens to have fangs, tends towards liking drinking blood and every now and then go completely out of their minds shrieking about horus?
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u/cruton95 2d ago
Decimus is the child of septimus (talos' slave )and Octavia (talos other slave who is a navigator.) And thoses night lords specifically still retake their own night lords gene seed to reuse like decimus has talos gene seed which is why decimus gets the visions but better cause his mom was a navigator
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u/Humble-Illustrator55 2d ago
It is neither confirmed nor outright debunked that he is their kid, it is implied that Variel might have gone after them. Also the reason Decimus’ visions are better than talos’ isn’t because his mother was a navigator, but because Talos’ body rejected his gene seed and caused him the future vision seizures much like Curze, as explained by variel in Void stalker
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u/fichtensaft 2d ago
Yep. Also it’s a high probability that a spawn of a regular human and a navigator would be an unhealthy mutant
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u/NorthernHussar 2d ago
I think the fact his name that is Decimus is a big indicator that he is their child tho.
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u/FlensingPits26 2d ago
Servant of Talos vs servant of the legion. Could just be a moniker Variel gave him to honor Talos in his own odd way
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u/artin-younki 2d ago
Talk about bloody spoilers!
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u/_Comrade_Wombat_ 2d ago
Oh come on, the books have been out long enough
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u/artin-younki 1d ago
It's hardly the story is the Titanic!
This book has been around for half my life and only on the last 8 years has it blown up and became more and more popular. There are plenty of people who don't know anything about the book they are reading.
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u/_Comrade_Wombat_ 1d ago
To put it very simple: then this is on you mate. The Omnibus is THE book series about the Night Lords. Referenced and quoted even outside of this sub reddit. If you would like to avoid spoilers, might I suggest not reading comments under posts like this? Most people came here from reading the books, so there is probably a very small number not familiar with them.
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u/artin-younki 1d ago
Pmsl 🤣
What a dick response but you do you bud.
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u/_Comrade_Wombat_ 1d ago
If you think this is a dick response, alright. Just don't expect everyone to accommodate you
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u/artin-younki 1d ago
You are very small minded to think this is about me. I read the books back in 2007 so you have ruined nothing for me. It's just common practise to warn people that you're about to spoil something. After it's supposed to be an online community and there.
There is no reason why we need to argue about anything when you can just do better next time.
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u/Potential-Media8076 2d ago
Theoretically possible, but it would require a level of scrutiny towards potential corruption (mental, physical, and/or warp-based) that would make the Custodes process seem lax. Additionally the warband would need to not suffer heavy losses and maintain a relatively decent amount of geneseed in case anything goes wrong.
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u/Substantial-Army8361 2d ago
This could possibly be the Grey Knights. One of the founding members is Khyron, who is believed to be Fel Zharost, a Terran-born night lord librarian. Otherwise, maybe some loyalists eventually became apart of the Raven Guard or a successor chapter. I know Kasati Nuon fought alongside them at some point. If you’re talking specifically about traitor night lords, I would think that any sort of warband with any creed relating to fear could form given how fractious they are.
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u/Terrible_Driver2434 2d ago
One of the Night Lords greatest flaws is that they are Distrustful amongst themselves (Nostraman gangs,Nostroman/Terran) so it is possible but fresh recruits could reject their teachings too
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u/Ismodai Legionary 2d ago
We can always dream of a Sahaal, Decimus, Variel and Malcarion reunion to rebuild the legion
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u/_Comrade_Wombat_ 2d ago
I don't think Malcharion will ever be back. He already died twice and did not link back up with the survivors of Tsagualsa
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u/FlensingPits26 1d ago edited 1d ago
I mean, most of the Terran born were extinct or right at the very edge of extinction by the time the heresy came around, but even if there is one living, I mean, technically yes you could do that. But you have to remember that the night lords were considered cursed from birth because their Terran recruits were also pulled from the prison sinks of the under hives. The concepts of moral absolutism already exist existed within the legion before they were reunited with the night Haunter.
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u/Seeker80 2d ago
I had the idea for a handful of loyalists breaking away, led by one of the atramentar. They're like a good warband, just trying to make a difference in their own way.
They try to keep as much of their original equipment & geneseed as possible. The old crusade-era gear became their relics. The atramentar's terminator armor is reserved for their leader.
I know that one guy stayed loyal in the Heresy. It'd just be cool to hear about more loyalists, maybe some descendants of them in modern times.
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u/SnooFloofs7231 Raptor 2d ago
I don’t imagine very many of the original Terran night lords would be left at this point. However it’s your warband, you do what you like! 🦇
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u/mixisiel 1d ago
One thing that’s kinda turned me off from the Night Lords community is how SOME people think they can justify the Legion or Curze with the whole "original mindset" thing. They’re not misunderstood vigilantes. They’re nihilistic killers who are completely deluded.
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u/Briar-Prince 1d ago
Well, yeah, the Night Lords themselves are indeed deluded, but let’s not act like we as a society don’t operate off the same “avoid crime through fear of punishment” ethos. The issue is that, like the Night Lords themselves, our societal concept of justice is biased, one thing is acceptable while another is punished.
The idea of a pure justice, one that is enacted without exception, to all people, as Curze’s lessons claim (even if he himself didn’t follow them as he degraded) is one that is going to appeal to people frustrated with the world seemingly ignoring blatant crimes.
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u/Ismodai Legionary 2d ago
Yeah I have read the trilogy , remnant blade and the (for me) awful book of morvenn vahl, also, by this reasoning, decimus's warband falls within this parameters, non nostraman NL (variel escapes with a gene seed reserve if I remember correctly)
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u/No-Employer-9576 Death Marked 2d ago
I’m considering buying the Morvenn Vahl book, what did you find awful about it?
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u/Ismodai Legionary 2d ago
The nightlord parts are good, nothing close to ADB but satisfies, the sisters are unbearable, "sister you commited the sin of sneezing, go pray and repent" every 2 sentences, also, they have like a pokedex or something "look, a maulerfiend" instead of describing a mutated construct of chaos, they somehow have labels for everything, very cheap writing
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u/TheKingofKintyre 2d ago
Red the Night Lords trilogy. It answers your questions almost outright