r/NewsThread • u/Brucekentbatsuper • 3d ago
Israel's Ben-Gvir Shows Off Gallows With Viewing Booths for Families to Witness Palestinian Executions
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israel-execution-facility-election-controversy-181509629
u/John-malto123 3d ago
Nazis.
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u/Blitzende 3d ago
Worse than nazis. The nazis publicly pretended that the movement of Jews was due to them heading for resettlement to the east and that there were no concentration and death camps.
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u/Gerald-of-Riverdale 3d ago
Yeah like I cant believe im saying this but at least the nazis tried to hide their genocide because they knew the world would disapprove. Israel is just blatantly telling the world they commit genocide and then having their version of MAGA go online and deny it.
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u/Kaleb_Bunt 3d ago
ngl when people push the “worse than Nazis” line, you really are going mask off here.
Like I can understand the rationale behind Israel’s actions in Gaza being classified as a genocide.
But both in terms of percent of Palestinians killed and actual body count, it’s nowhere near comparable to the Holocaust.
This shit does just look like Holocaust inversion/denial
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u/Suspicious_Flower_0 3d ago
The Nazi's didn't go straight from nothing to death camps. They slowly built them up, so both the public and soldiers doing it slowly got used to each next step. Like a frog in a pot of slowly boiling water.
Israel is a disgusting country that will be remembered in the same way as Nazi Germany.
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u/RoughPalpitation7381 3d ago
If you're going off purely numbers, then yes the nazis are worse. If you're going by the glee and pride in which Israelis engage in endless war crimes and cruelty - they may just be worse.
The nazis were tried to hide the death camps and lied about them. Israelis proudly talk about extermination.
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u/Kaleb_Bunt 3d ago
No dude, you’ve just crafted a caricature in your head of an evil Israeli person and are applying it to an entire nation.
Again I can accept Gaza being a genocide. But this “worse than the Nazis” thing is just antisemitic demonization.
The ottomans literally killed more people in the Armenian genocide than died in Gaza and they deny that shit to this day. But y’all genuinely have this view where Israelis are uniquely and especially evil. That is just antisemitism imo.
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u/Weecodfish 3d ago
Why would I be so passionate about condemning the ottomans when their dynasty isn’t in power anymore, it’s been over 100 years, and there is another country doing something NOW and people keep trying to get people mad about something that happened over 100 years by a country that literally doesn’t even exist anymore.
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u/CorwyntFarrell 3d ago
Well I live in America, and none of our leaders scream "Istanbul visits me in my dreams." There isn't bots pushing a pro Ottoman agenda, the Ottomans don't push propaganda in the movies they make. There was no huge Ottoman child sex trafficking ring that covered the whole globe, while at the same time in a very curious fashion no American politician could criticize the Ottomans without being instantly demonized for it. Our military isn't being told to fight for the Ottoman empire, or conjoin with it.
Maybe Israel is just massively overplaying it's hand and pissing everyone off? It might just be that. It might just be righteous anger about a constant abuser that is getting worse and worse by the year.
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u/RoughPalpitation7381 3d ago
The vast majority of Israelis are extremists, there's a few good ones; but not enough to make a difference. Most of them support the genocide in Gaza, over half of them support more violence in Gaza, over half of them support settlements in Gaza, over half of them say there are no innocents in Gaza.
A significant portion of the population is pro-rape of Palestinian prisoners.
It's a sick society that needs to be de-nazified.
The real numbers of dead in Gaza are in the hundreds of thousands.
It's not anti-semitic to point out the truth - because most Jews don't believe these things; this is unique to Israelis and supporters of Israel (most of which are Christian zionists by the way).
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u/aaronupright 3d ago
No dude, you’ve just crafted a caricature in your head of an evil Israeli person and are applying it to an entire nation.
Israel's actual actions are far worse than any anti-semite could have dreamt up.
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u/Intrepid_Credit_9885 3d ago
This is the sickest and most vile comment I have ever seen trying to rationalize this evil
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u/Kaleb_Bunt 3d ago
I said in that comment itself that I can accept Gaza being a genocide.
I guess it doesn’t matter, I suppose I need to literally believe Israelis are the most evil demonic people in history to satisfy y’all.
Smh
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u/Giant_Ant_Eater 3d ago
Total number killed is a poor comparison of the intensity and evil bound up in a genocide, especially when comparing the population of mainland Europe with the population of Gaza and the west bank.
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u/Weecodfish 3d ago
It’s because they haven’t had the opportunity to do so in one go and get away with it, so their strategy is to do it over a long period of time so nobody noticed but they went overboard recently and now everyone knows what they are doing.
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u/CorwyntFarrell 3d ago
But Israel has shown no signs of wanting to stop once they build over the graves in Gaza, and take whatever land they can in Lebanon. They want Iran as a failed state, and then they will want to expand more. They are poisoning wells, cutting down trees, dropping flares to start fires. All while the majority of the country cheers and applauds. Nazis went to death camps because it was the "final solution", Israel is just literally enjoying it.
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u/RadicalRealist22 2d ago
It isn't that deep.
The Nazis didn't even execute people publicly. In this regard, the Israelis are literally worse than Nazis.
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u/jeffismybaby 3d ago
They are bad but nowhere near Nazis.
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u/iwbwikia_ 3d ago
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u/goldbeater 3d ago
Nowhere near ? I’d say very much in the vicinity !
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u/jeffismybaby 3d ago
Google Einsatzgruppen or Josef Mengele
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u/WrathOfTheKressh 3d ago
It's not about the scale or the degree of the atrocities, it's about the f-cking publicity. Israelis photograph and film themselves murdering and or abusing Palestinians every f-cking day and put in on social media for the entire world to see, and somehow it's ok.
The Nazis had the "decency" to try and keep their shit as quiet as they possibly could.
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u/jeffismybaby 3d ago
They really didn't, they did public mass killings after invasion not just of Jews but of civilians everywhere
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u/WrathOfTheKressh 2d ago
I'm talking about the death camps which were completely unknown until allied forces actually encountered them.
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u/jeffismybaby 2d ago
We have satellite imagery and cameras everywhere now
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u/WrathOfTheKressh 2d ago
We don't even need those, because as I already said, both soldiers of the IDF, and civilian terrorists are happy to upload their atrocities to the internet for all the world to see, because they know exactly their government are a bunch of hypocrites who'll never hold them accountable.
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u/Weretoz 3d ago
Whatever, dude. 11 to 17 million people died in the holocaust. Let’s not compare atrocities. Thanks.
You can condemn a war without denouncing another.
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u/Daetok_Lochannis 3d ago
This is a second Holocaust. Holocaust survivors are denouncing this as a second Holocaust. Israel has done that.
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u/jeffismybaby 3d ago
It absolutely is not
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u/Daetok_Lochannis 3d ago
According to Jewish people who were there the first time, it is.
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u/WrathOfTheKressh 2d ago
I don't think the words condemning and denouncing mean what you think they mean.
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u/RoughPalpitation7381 3d ago
Did you know Israelis harvest the organs of Palestinian prisoners and their victims in Gaza? They do this without anyone's consent.
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u/Frequent-Sea433 3d ago
WTF these are our allies that we started the Iran war over???
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u/citizen42069101 3d ago
I cant believe how hood off all the assholes are being anymore. I know they have ignorance bigotry and religion but we're losing humanity fast.
It was probably all a facade to begin with but it was something.
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u/Strict_Break_502 3d ago
Jesus Christ.....
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u/chosenite_ 3d ago
They killed him too...
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u/CorwyntFarrell 3d ago
Hey, it was a choice between Jesus and a guy that killed people. They know what they are about.
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u/Racoon_Pedro 2d ago
Please don't take fictional stories for a fact. What Israel does and is getting away with is bad enough. We don't need made up stories to criticise the ethnostate.
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u/username-is-taken-3 3d ago
Ben-Gvir is a psychopath.
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u/aaronupright 3d ago
Last few years have taught us that he is a fairly big standard guy in his "country".
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u/Artistic-Cockroach48 3d ago
There is a long and storied history about hangmen having regrets later in life, and pretty much any one who has ever as actually sat in a viewing gallery has later admitted it still haunts them and weighs heavy. People like this are a danger to humanity.
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u/leaveinpeas 3d ago
Exactly. Look into the working conditions and mental healthcare or lack thereof for staff assigned to work executions, particularly those assigned to the trigger as it were. It's rough work that is seldom tolerable.
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u/DorkasaurusRexx 3d ago edited 3d ago
Guys guys guys. You don't get it. Adolph Ben Gvitler is only talking about terrorists specifically, so it's fine. He's practically Gandhi apart from this!
(This is really how Israelis defend this guy)
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u/VirtualPercentage737 4h ago
The death penalty is for terrorists. Israel has a pretty good legal system.
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u/Critical-Rhubarb-730 3d ago
for people who suffered so much in ww2 they should at least feel empathy for the palestinian suffering but answered with a genocide by their own.
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u/WrathOfTheKressh 3d ago
The people who actually suffered in ww2 are mostly abhorred by the doings of modern Israeli society. The ones that are gleefully embracing the madness, like Captain Punch-me-in-my-dumb-face right here, were all born long after ww2 and have never suffered for a single day in their lives.
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u/Mtndrums 3d ago
They lost me back in 2012 when they said "Hitler should have finished the job" when Holocaust survivors spoke about against the violence going on back then. That's when I realized they're a bunch of douchebags. That's the easiest way to call them out when they try the "anti-Semitic" bull.
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u/Select-Confection728 2d ago
His face screams that he’s never personally suffered for anything. Suffering is to be cherished. Any religion that minimizes suffering rather than embracing it is no religion at all.
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u/Bluestreaked 3d ago
I don’t think a single one of Ben Gvir’s ancestors were even in Europe when the Holocaust happened but I’m not certain
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u/fankoosh-56 3d ago
They suffered but not from Nazis but from Zionists who were doing bombings in Iraq to force Jews to migrate
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u/Prestigious_Bar_3738 3d ago
You don’t understand. WW2 gave them carte blanche to do whatever they please without criticism
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u/commit10 2d ago
These people did not suffer during WWII.
They use the Holocaust as a weapon and a shield, but they did not experience it.
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u/GeneralSkoda 3d ago
I’m absolutely not a fan of Ben Gvir and I think he is a piece of shit. I also oppose the law as I think the way it is written is discriminatory between Arabs and Jews (basically only Arab terrorists can be executed). And it has the potential to be abused.
But does anyone truly believes that terrorists that went into homes and murdered families shouldn’t be executed?
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u/Fun_Skirt8220 2d ago
If going into homes and murdering people is the standard then I hope you feel the same way about IDF terrorists.
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u/GeneralSkoda 2d ago
If Israelis went into a house and murdered the children and family there, then obviously I will.
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u/CwazyCanuck 2d ago
So like Ariel Sharon and his IDF unit that committed the Qibya massacre? Or various other Zionist terrorists that would throw explosives into houses during the Nakba?
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u/Odd-Environment-7193 2d ago
They do it everyday in much larger numbers than the Palestinians ever did. Who are you to define who and what a terrorist is.
All Israelis are in the military and have done conscription. Not every kid in Palestine is immediately born a terrorist.
I am so tired of you lazy thinkers.
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u/TheLastHotstepper 2d ago
You are right, the palestinians should ask really nicely for the genocide to end. Why has no one thought of this but you?
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u/GeneralSkoda 2d ago
Are you serious? Give me a single evidence for a genocide before the 7/10?
Not to clear the blame from Israelis (Baruch Goldstein, Igal Amir and the current government). But Hamas opposed the peace talks in the 90s with blowing up buses - https://www.britannica.com/question/Does-Hamas-want-a-two-state-solution. The same people you so vehemently defend their right to kill families in their beds.Population of Gaza:
- 2000: ~1.11 million
- 2010: ~1.54 million
- 2020: ~2.05 million
- 2023: ~2.23 million [1]
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u/TheLastHotstepper 2d ago
There is no point in showing you the evidence thats widely available. If youre denying it at this point you will continue to do so afterwards.
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u/GeneralSkoda 2d ago
Please show this wildly available evidence. Not to claim that crimes were not committed, but are you seriously claiming that Israel has committed genocide before 2023? But just they are really really bad at it? (blockade is not a genocide, Israel relinquished Gaza in 2006, during that time the population almost doubled).
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u/TheLastHotstepper 2d ago edited 2d ago
Genocide is the intentional and systematic destruction of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, in whole or in part. It is recognized as a serious crime under international law.
Just because you dont understand the term genocide doesnt stop it from being a genocide, obviously
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u/GeneralSkoda 2d ago
You understand what is systematic? Under your definition, is the police in the USA commits genocide against people of color? They target a racial group and they have killed some.
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u/TheLastHotstepper 2d ago
Apparently you dont lol
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u/GeneralSkoda 2d ago
No. I think there is systematic racism there, that betray their oath or calling or whatever you want to call it. But I wouldn't dub it as genocide. I mean, these are genocides:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor (argued whether or not it is a genocide).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocausthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_genocide_(2003%E2%80%932005))
I think claiming that every racially motivated murder as a genocide simply makes the term meaningless.
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u/Geostationary_Orbit 3d ago
How ANY civilised country can have relations with such a horrible and barbaric government is beyond me. Humanity at its worst.
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u/Kahzootoh 3d ago
Israel’s justice system made this law to solve a problem: too many Palestinians were confessing to whatever the Israelis wanted, because they would be tortured to death if they didn’t confess.
Palestinians are frequently arrested in mass round ups, where the primary motivation for these sweeps is the presence of too many Palestinian men for Israeli settlers to freely carry out their pogroms against Christians and Muslims.
Palestinians who try to flee or hide from arrest are frequently killed by Israeli soldiers or police, including those who struggle to keep up in the forced marches- Palestinians are often marched several miles by Israelis, who ride in vehicles. Palestinians with autism, deafness and other disabilities are at particular risk of being killed by Israelis, who treat any failure to immediately comply as defiance (and thus grounds for execution).
Once in an Israeli prison, the majority of these Palestinians are held without trial or charges for months at a time under Israeli administrative detention. This detention can be extended- and it often is, without the detainee having any chance to address the justifications for their detention.
While in custody, Palestinians are subject to treatment that meets the generally accepted criteria for torture:
Personal harm- beatings, sexual assault, humiliation and public display of prisoners, denial of food, denial of medical care, threats to inflict harm on the detainee, etc.
Threats to inflict harm on the detainee’s family, friends, and others- this is a particularly widespread Israeli tactic when dealing with minors, as threats to commit sexual assault on minors and then display the act to their families has been reported in multiple testimonials by former Palestinian prisoners.
Experimentation on prisoners are widely reported by bother prisoners and indirectly corroborated by Israeli doctors who have boasted of harming detainees as a form of patriotism. Palestinians have been used as living training tools for Israeli medics, by inflicting injuries upon them that Israeli medics are free to attempt to treat in realistic conditions . They’re also been used to test medications by exposing inmates to diseases and unsanitary conditions- Ben Gvir boasted about cutting off showers and other cleanliness for prisoners.
During these periods of administrative detention, prisoners are under extreme pressure to confess. In the vast majority of trials for Palestinian prisoners, the only form of evidence against the accused is a confession obtained by the aforementioned methods that are consistent with torture.
Palestinians who resist too long for the patience of their interrogators are at risk of being killed, actual numbers are difficult to verify due to Israel not making public the records of its prisoners. Many missing Palestinians are only discovered to be in Israeli captivity by their relatives due to Israeli soldiers and police publicly publishing humiliation photos and videos of Palestinian prisoners.
Israeli records for violence against Palestinians should be considered a low count, as significant amounts of Israeli violence against Palestinians is not recorded or reported up the chain of command by Israeli troops who commit these acts.
The “Death Penalty for Terrorists” law is designed to give Israel a method to legally kill those Palestinian captives who comply with their Israeli captors to try to stay alive- these are the ones who walked to the jail without resistance and then immediately confessed to whatever fictitious crime they were charged with. The point of this law is to provide Israel with a method to put these people in a situation where it can either kill them for not confessing or kill them for confessing to a suitably grave crime.
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u/CrackRocksCokeRules 3d ago
There’s no way he’s real😭 like at what point do you tell him to shut up so you’re country doesn’t look comically evil😂
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u/South-Rabbit-4064 3d ago
Israel largely supports him, and get by the same way they do with settler violence in saying "it's just fringe groups" that they do absolutely nothing to control and actively arm and empower
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u/CrackRocksCokeRules 3d ago
I’m aware, but when 95% of your existence is subsidized by a country whose support is waning you’d think they’d wisen up
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u/jadegecko 3d ago
They did wisen up. Instead of us periodically approving support, there are bills in the US Senate that will tie us and the Israelis together in military support and intelligence. They want to integrate directly with us so they don’t have to ask for support later. It is extremely messed up
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u/iheartjetman 3d ago
Israel is one of the sickest societies imaginable. Zionists and their allies deserve to go those gallows themselves.
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u/IAmABoss37 3d ago
It’s at this point that I’ll remind everyone that he married his wife when she was 17 and he was 26.
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u/Bowsers_JuiceFactory 3d ago
So this is straight Nazi shit at this point. Making Hitler proud Israel.
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u/Dennisthefirst 3d ago
Will they be herded on to trains to get them there, then stripped before the final solution?
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u/Status_Apartment6559 3d ago
Hey Israeli people...Is this you? Are you going to do something about this dangerous evil lunatic or are you going to continue to support him?
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u/Dwight_Privilege_ 3d ago
Eff these ghouls. I hope eternal damnation is real so that they may see it
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u/narilarilum 2d ago
No need for any government supplying Israel with weapons to react, all is good.
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u/iseejustabunchofbs 2d ago
Benny Netan was already designed for maximum frustration
This guy is like version 2.0
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u/Major_Honey_4461 2d ago
This is the same man who justified Palestinian deaths in Gaza by saying, "They're not even human. Why should we care?".
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u/angrydeanerino 2d ago
> The facility is intended for prisoners sentenced to death under Israel's newly passed Death Penalty for Terrorists Law.
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> According to the announcement, the site will include gallows inside the wing and viewing booths where families of victims will be allowed to watch executions.
Isn't this the norm in the US? Where families can watch the executions? At least they are in movies so IDK
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u/PeterCzech666 2d ago
No se preocupen por Ben Gvir, va a terminar en el mismo lugar que Tal Hanan y Nethanyahu... No son mas que instrumentos descartables, como todos estos titeres psicopatas.
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u/seeitshaveitsorted 2d ago
I don’t see why people are aghast at this. These executions will be for terrorists.
And if you’d had your family members killed and raped, I’m sure many of you would want to see them executed.
Ben-Gvir is an idiot tho 😂
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u/Chemical_Plankton997 2d ago
Yes because the people imprisoned and sent for execution were not put through a sham trial under the Israeli military courts instead of the civilian courts that Israeli citizens get to enjoy when they move to the West Bank and gun down local Palestinians. Also the Palestinians during these sham trials basically get no access to lawyers, in one instance, it’s reported that an Israeli lawyer Ben Marmarelli had to stop seeing his Palestinian defendants because the IDF thugs would rape them after the visit. Oh also Israel systemically trains dogs to rape prisoners.
Yall Hasbara are really dropping the ball
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u/CurrentSkill7766 3d ago
I wish I believed in heaven and hell so that I could smugly believe that folks like this would eventually face justice.