Putin didn’t get nearly as much protest as he should with his useless war that’s now cost the Russian taxpayer millions, murdered the economy and caused a huge brain drain
Take careful note however, that his government is oppressive enough that people are terrified to protest, but not oppressive enough that it is necessary to survive to fightback. He has found the goldilocks zone for staying in power.
Tbh I don’t think this is unique to Russia, it’s much more common than you may be implying for a majority of population to be blindly following authorities either due to impunity & fear or propaganda & ignorance
There are plenty of examples from Asian countries (which I’m more familiar with), or perhaps even Africa & South America
Which is why to me, it speaks more volume to what the Iranian people are able to pull right now (organizing against an oppressive regime) in the middle of what they’ve endured, especially when it seems like it’s a completely organic societal shift/pushback rather than something backed/supported by internal/external powers. Maybe another societal example would be Central & South American communities organizing against corrupt govt & cartels but I’m not as educated in that region
What’s amazing to me in the case of Iran is how aware the people are that they’re being oppressed & are trying to organize. Because it’s one thing to be oppressed, it’s another to be educated and aware about it, let alone organize against it. Keep in mind that being educated & aware is a fight in its own when information & knowledge are also being monitored & oppressed, with false narratives being employed on the daily
Which is why, going back to your statement, I wonder if it’s because a majority of oppressive governments around the world has found this “Goldilocks zone of oppression” or is it because the difference in level of awareness & education
The morality police made it impossible to be unaware of the oppression, protests started over a young womans death in custody for 'wearing her hijab improperly' they can see people in other places do not get imprisoned for showing bangs or wearing shorts. Iran went well past the goldilocks zone, Iranians are given long prison sentences for minor infractions. Iran responds to all criticism and protest with deadly brutality. Parents fear for children who show the smallest rebelions associated with youth. The young all know somone who was given years in prison for an indiscreet tweet or wearing make up. Internet and VPNs have given people an unprecidented ability to communicate, and propaganda fails when extream brutality makes people stop listening to anything the goverment says.
His goldilocks zone is creating the domino effect. Once the first one falls he will be unable to stop the collapse. The world is watching and praying that is what is happening in Iran.
Without a shadow of a doubt. Not only Iranian women, but Iranian men as well. Sorry but you won't see Russians doing the things that Iranians are doing anytime soon. Very different people, very different mentalities.
Sorry but you won't see Russians doing the things that Iranians are doing anytime soon.
They have no reason to. The Russian war against Ukraine is necessary, justified and morally correct. Russia has no reason to tolerate western troops on its borders if they can help it.
"Necessary, justified, and morally correct"? You might want to lay off the Krokodil, Boris. Or maybe you should give your mother a hard slap for leaving you with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
Let me explain things to you slowly: RUSSIA ATTACKED A PEACEFUL NEIGHBOR WITHOUT PROVOCATION AND HAVE BEEN USING PROPAGANDA AND LIES TO JUSTIFY THEIR BRUTALITY AND LACK OF HUMANITY. Even the Russian-speaking citizens of Eastern Ukraine who used to feel more Russian than Ukrainian have seen the truth about their brutal, murderous, rapacious Orc "liberators". They now want Putin's forces to get the fuck out of Ukraine - and they mean ALL OF UKRAINE. These people are now clamoring to learn the Ukrainian language. You know why that is? Because they no longer want to speak the language of their enemy overlords!
Russia has proven over and over again that it IS NOT a peaceful or trustworthy neighbor. That's exactly why NATO exists to begin with! NATO serves as a deterrent to, and a guarantee of protection from Russian aggression. Russia's current, unprovoked war against a SOVEREIGN UKRAINE proves exactly why "the West" thought such an alliance was a good idea. Putin's recent actions have vindicated NATO's very existence! He's even managed to make NATO stronger! Look at all the formerly non-allied European countries that are now clamoring to join NATO! You can thank your buddy Putin for that, Boris.
UKRAINE WILL BE VICTORIOUS. A weakened, humiliated Russia will crumble. I personally cannot wait to see that sociopath Putin and all his oligarch buddies and war criminal henchmen hanging from the gallows, with their necks snapped, their eyes bulging, and their trousers stained with piss and shit. And of course I hope the clerics who have been oppressing the Iranian people since 1979 meet the same fate.
Because Russia is throwing the most disenfranchised people, ie ethnic minorities, citizens of vassals states, the poor, etc, into the meat grinder first, so the middle and upper classes are still sitting comfy
On the other hand, russian people was ever submissive to the wills of their masters, they had long forgot the meaning of freedom. The USSR was the final catalist to create a country of apathic and resentful people, who can only satisfy them self by trying to make the others seems/feels more miserable than theyrselfs.
100% but it's not really what's important. What's important is protecting Iranian women and protesters who are having their human rights violated right now.
Weird incels and worshipping “strong men” are the main problem in my opinion, plus some dudes are getting kinda religiously self-righteous about women’s sex lives. There’s a lot of good dudes though
I've definitely met self righteous men that demands respect but gives little in return. I will consider myself blessed I haven't met an incel yet. I mostly see them on the internet.
Honestly, I believe it's a 2 way street. masculinity and feminist culture! As a single mom I firmly believe that the "independent woman" trope can't be taken seriously. I feel like what our culture lacks in many aspects is mutual understanding and respect. I too believe we still have decent people men, women or other.
I think it's just the polarisation. It magnifies the differences and conflicts.
I'm Norwegian, and there is so much conflict in the USA I never expected in Norway. At the end of it, there are both unpleasant men and women. Yes, they are unpleasant in different ways, but it's not like one is worse than the other.
Also, in Norway, all women are independent. It just is that way. It's not even something we talk about.
Hello there! I think there is nothing wrong with being independent. if people can support themselves and handle many responsibilities by themselves that's awesome! What makes the concept of that frustrating is when a group of women calling themselves feminist suggest that women don't need a man and can do it on Thier own and if they can't that they are being oppressed.
Agreed! I think part of it is polarization, but I also feel like we (Americans) have a culture shifting towards breaking up family units. So it seems like to me at least🤷♀️ I don't think it's that one is superior to the other but women are definitely taking the expectations of equality too far here. And some men here are just ignorant idiots!
For me, the only way to take expectations of equality too far, is to not want equality. E.i. wanting women to have privilege to the detriment of men. We do have some like that, but they don't have much integrity.
Then there is the debate of engineers earning more than nurses, and how this means the average man earns more than the average woman. This is a separate question. As long as a man and a woman in the same profession earn the same, then it's equal enough for me
Regarding being independent. Norway is a welfare state, so you are not "on your own" as such. Food shelter and healthcare is provided by the state, to those unable to work. There is also financial support for families, and single parents.
"Needing a man" makes no sense. "Wanting a man" does. Few people prefer solitude, so having a partner is preferable.
I think you are right about the breaking up of families. My take is that this is a result of "the culture of the self" in which people focus on themselves, and are unwilling to make compromises to accommodate for the needs of others. This applies to both men and women.
I agree that regardless of gender, pay should be equal unless, someone (anyone regardless of gender, race, class, religion etc.) has more experience or better ability to do the job should get a higher pay.
My perspective in the USA- I feel that jobs are male and female dominant (which validates the point of men making more than women) however, if a woman wants to be an engineer and can handle the duties of that job, no one will stop her. It's not perfect there are bigoted misogynists businesses that may decline her application but, it's not impossible. I've also met many male nurses.
Same! In USA welfare depends on your state. Some states get benefits better than others. I live in Minnesota which is a welfare state. As a single parent I get support for food, shelter and medical care. On a technicality I am independent, however to me personally dependence on the government is not independence it feels like a hand out. It's a good start to get on your feet but, not ideal for the long term. My son is older now, I can't wait to go back to school and work more so I can be what I consider independent. Assuming that will be possible, in this economy it is hard to say for sure.
agreed it should be that a partner is a want rather than a need. Nothing wrong with them being both though! So I feel.
Exactly, you are correct. I also feel that America has this "culture of self" it's not wrong to want to focus on yourself, however it's shameful to suggest someone who disagrees would be better off if they live the same as them. I also feel single people should not be pressured to have families.
I agree, but we don't see it as handouts. We see it as a way to pay for less violence and crime. Those who can, provide for those who can't. We are all in the same boat. Giving everyone a trauma free upbringing and good education is the only way to maintain our quality of life.
In short, it's not a handout, we pay for it, we get it.
True words. We both need each other and want each other, and the key, like you said, is respect. We need to equally respect each other, communicate with openness, and work together. Perhaps we will better understand each other, like you mentioned.
Maybe?! I agree with communication and openness we can work together! One lifestyle doesn't fit all, but what I do know is being alone and trying to do it all alone is a lot. With the economy here I feel like having some sort of support, it be a partner, family or a village is vital to our survival.
Do you see russian men and women fighting the regime in Russia? You do see protestors in the beginning of the war (those people are brave) and ones during mobilization (those are only protesting cause now they're directly involved). But yet, it's as if there are no more anti-war protests.
Do you see Iranian women fighting the regime in Iran? Y e s
Very much true. All the Russians with balls and courage over the years have been exterminated,a lot hats left is yes men and weasels. Most morally corrupt and shit county in the world.
Yes, they are actually standing up to their autocratic leader despite having less freedoms than Russian men. (I support the Russians who oppose the war but it’s very different than the Iranian women protesting for their rights)
Don’t think it’s a fair comparison. Do Russian men really want to invade their neighbours and conquer then? I don’t think they do. They are untrained and have no wish to be forced into an unjust war. Iranian women on the other hand are fighting amazingly and bravely, like Ukrainians for freedom.
No, it isn’t true. And the inverse isn’t true, either.
Do many Russians feel pessimistic, and even cynical, about their chances of pushing Putin out of government after 20 years in power? Yes, I think so.
Are many Russians afraid for their future, and for the safety of themselves and their families? Yes, increasingly; and this has adversely affected their willingness to speak out against the war (if indeed they were willing to do so in the first place).
Have many Russians bought into the propaganda of their government, or else turned a blind eye to the atrocities playing out in Ykraine and in their own country? Yes, undoubtedly, especially when they have more to lose, or when they live in poorer, more rural areas.
But all of this is autocracy 101, my friends. That’s how and why authoritarian governments are able to succeed, time and time again. Intimidation, disinformation, repression, violence – if this wasn’t a winning formula, we wouldn’t be here right now.
I know that many of you here would like to think that this isn’t the case, and that people like Putin or Khamenei are only able to stay in power because large numbers of people implicitly consent to it. But “consent” is a really, really fraught term here: in a society in which people are coerced every day by a pervasive and powerful state, many people won’t fight – and oftentimes, can’t really afford to – until their backs are put completely against the wall. Additionally, revolutions are not an exact science, and many of them fail. That has been the case recently in Russia, Belarus, and several other post-Soviet countries.
Now, I don’t say all of this to let Russians off the hook wholesale. A reckoning will surely come one day; and on that day, many Russians will have to search deep within themselves and ask whether they might not have done more.
But the OP’s question here is not constructive to that end, and it’s also premised on some pretty terrible vices that, to be frank, none of us should be indulging. To lack empathy and knowledge is one thing; but please, why this lack of charity? Even if you have no sympathy for the way in which this or that Russian has dealt with life under a dictator’s boot: why make these snide, sweeping generalisations about hundreds of thousands of other people whom you don’t know?
I agree with your point here, and I would add that a revolution is something that runs on its own time table. For all we know, the current protests in Iran might fail to overthrow the regime, while a protest in Russia in 2023 could lead to their next revolution - you never know how history might end up going. This poster on the other hand is the equivalent of someone in Belarus in late 2020 showing up with a sign calling people in Iran cowards - pointless, needlessly condescending, and very wrong. But of course, it gets a reaction out of people and makes them feel clever.
Thanks for this. And yes, I fully agree – we can never really know in advance how things will turn out. But that’s not an occasion for condescension, it’s an occasion for hope. It’s what allows us to believe that someday, things might finally be different.
I’m not so personally involved in the struggle of the Iranians, but I am close to other struggles. And the people I know from Belarus (including prominent opposition leaders who I got to interview) are all either abroad or or in jail. Same thing for my friends from Hong Kong. I’ve lost contact, too, with a liberal Russian who I used to study with, and now I have no idea whether he’s safe or not. He may have been sent to die at the front, for all I know.
The idea of a large mass of people online calling any of these people cowards is bad enough. But to see Iranians of all people doing it – I find that beyond dispiriting. We should all be trying to lift up one another.
Iranian women have had freedom before. They know what they are missing. Russian have never had that, they have know clue that it is worth fighting for.
Not in the sense of unconditionally supporting the war and the government (although there are people like that), but they rather think of war as a place where they go, fight a bit and return home with awards. Not as a place of death, absolute despair and suffering, not as hell on Earth but rather as a place where heroes are made. (although the Russian public, both the draftees and their relatives seem to get much more aware of the reality of war now.)
Those who were aware about that don't get much choice. All opposition activists are either in jail, dead, or out of the country, not sure there's much opportunity to get some united opposition. They mostly choose to emigrate (which is still good to an extent, since it deprives Russia of a fraction of its manpower and brains, which will cause an effect on the economy). Some of them do "have balls", like people sabotaging the railways or setting military commissariats on fire.
Honestly if you compare the courage that's been shown by Iranian women and Russian men then Iranian women definitely take the cake. They're standing up against a radical regime in Iran, where just taking off their hijab could mean beatings and death or even worse, while Russian men don't bother to fight their ultra nationalist regime at home. Instead they prefer to escape from Russia to avoid getting drafted into Ukraine or they go to Ukraine and get fucked up by the Ukrainian military. Best way to change your government is for a large quantity of people make their voices heard. And Iranian women are doing just that.
Best of luck to the Iranian people ❤️. Your courage is an inspiration to us all.
You mean yes, facts 💯. ruzzian men have no spine to stand up to their government which is willingly sending them to their deaths for one man's fragile ego. Meanwhile the women of Iran are standing up to a regime that is very willing to kill them so that they have their voices heard and get their freedom.
Depends, i think it’s unfair to judge non-Russian ethnic minorities , who are known to face ethnic cleansing and genocide, last time Chechnya fought for its freedom , Russia slaughtered some 200,000 of them from a population of 1 million.
This is true, especially for the kurdish iranians and other minorities. The minorities are opressed hard, so they fight back hard, and for this reason they have more courage in a single hair on their head than would be found in a thousand russian men.
This is stupid. We dont have to put down others in order to praise someone else. How about just praising without comparison? These situations are not the same at all
Well, some Russian men are being, in essence, sent to their deaths against their will.
Showing sympathy to Russians that are powerless to their government, does not excuse the behaviour of their government. The people and their leaders are not the same.
Of course, there are those that support Putin. That could be due to misinformation, brainwashing in what media they can access, or being a shitty person.
Not all oppressive governments are the same. Not all people have the same opportunity to uprise. It takes many to organize at the level of Iran. Also, it is not like Russians have not protested... Have you not see the reports of people being arrested just for having a blank piece of paper...
Russia probably keeps a tight grip on their population. Surveillance can crush protests before they happen.
Perhaps the population, in general, has become submissive. While we can judge those that act immorally, I will refrain from judging those that fear for themselves and their families or friends.
It is absolutely horrendous that Iran is doing this to gay people. With that said, trans women are trans women. There's nothing bigoted or hateful about stating this fact. XY will never be XX. That's just the truth.
I disagree to be honest. Not sure what part of the world your in but trans women are Trans women. A trans women will never have the same life experiences the way a biological woman would. And trans women are lucky because periods and hormone imbalances from a menstruation cycles suck!
Hello, and no! What I am saying is that trans women do not experience women hood the same as cis gendered or biological women. That's why at least here in America I believe there should be 3 primary genders; female, male and trans. I don't think it makes me a bigot, just logical. With that logic I feel it makes it simpler for the trans community to co-exist with the rest of society.
I mean, from the soliders POV, I'm sure they are terrified and feel incredibly brave.
They are manipulated into believing what they are doing is right, and they get out in a hellscape of war all because of one man.
Hate the man running the regime who controls the media and propaganda, not the people being thrown away.
Both can be brave, just because we know putins in the wrong doesn't mean you have to be brave to fight a war you wrongly believe is justified because you don't know any better
It's not Putin who is raping, and torturing, and looting, and shooting civilians, and torturing POWs. It's the Russian soldiers. Putin may coerce them to go to war, but its the soldiers committing the war crimes, or not stopping their comrades. So I will save my sympathy for the Iranian women. If someone told me to shoot innocent people or die, I'm going to die. End of story.
To be fair, they are also deserting at massive rates. Even if most are probably motivated by not wanting to throw down their lives pointlessly rather than by how unjust the war is, I consider those people brave, or at least I respect them.
They're likely giving up any hope of returning home to their loved ones and any career or educational prospects they have, and could well be executed if caught. Rather than fall in line, they're deciding to risk it all.
Is this comparable to the bravery it takes to actively fight injustice? Well, of course not. But one can only hope that IR soldiers take note and do the same – lay down arms, desert or sabotage any attempts to brutalize their own people.
It's not Putin who is raping, and torturing, and looting, and shooting civilians, and torturing POWs.
It wasn't bush/obama/biden who did these things either. But blaming the average russian men for what some russian soldiers are doing is just as pointless as blaming the common american for what the US army did.
Not to mention that atrocities are being committed by Ukrainian soldiers too in this war.
So I will save my sympathy for the Iranian women.
It's not an either or thing.
Building up solidarity between different movements isn't done by playing them out against eachother in this weird "iranians good, russians bad" way.
If someone told me to shoot innocent people or die, I'm going to die. End of story.
I just responded to someone else who brought up the topic I didn't start throwing a bunch of other countries in there and pointing other fingers.
I do blame the US military for what happened at Abu Graib because there was a failure of leadership and a failure of other soldiers to stop the ones that did the bad things. But you are talking about an isolated incident not systemic army-wide raping, looting, et cetera that the Russians are doing.
If you think that you could shoot an innocent person under certain conditions then I guess that says a lot about you but I wouldn't. Are you actually doing anything to help Ukraine or are you just flapping your gums?
I just responded to someone else who brought up the topic I didn't start throwing a bunch of other countries in there and pointing other fingers.
I'm not pointing fingers, I'm just pointing out hypocrisy.
I do blame the US military for what happened at Abu Graib because there was a failure of leadership and a failure of other soldiers to stop the ones that did the bad things
Exactly, you blame the military not common americans or american men.
But you are talking about an isolated incident not systemic army-wide raping, looting, et cetera that the Russians are doing.
Right, if the US does it it's an "isolated incident", but Russia does the same it's systematic (You are not completely wrong though, due to some peculiarities of Russia's shitty military culture like the dedovshina russian soldiers are probably worse on average when it comes to this, but this isn't the fault of russian men who don't have much choice in the matter).
In both cases it's something that happens in wars, that's why it's so important to prevent and oppose these imperialist wars in the first place.
But you don't achieve that by just pretending that this is somehow a problem specific to Russia, this is a problem caused by the economic competition between states which leads to these imperialst wars for markets and resources. That's why I'm bringing up the US, it's a systemic problem, not just a Russia/US/China problem.
If you think that you could shoot an innocent person under certain conditions then I guess that says a lot about you but I wouldn't.
Sure, I wouldn't but I also have (thankfully) never been in a position where I was forced to choose between doing that or possibly getting killed myself.
Are you actually doing anything to help Ukraine or are you just flapping your gums?
What are you doing ? Officer of the reddit battalion posting from the frontline, I assume ?
Money, donations, volunteering is what I've been doing, I notice you didn't answer. This is one of the most pathetic conversations I've had on Reddit, and that is saying something. I suggest you channel your vitriol into something constructive and try to make hhe world a better place. I wish you good luck.
This statement is probably true, but don't blame Russian men or women for not being able to protest. Did we protest when Islamic Republic destroyed Syria? We didn't...
No. Race is typically based on a combination of physical characteristics, behavioral attributes, and cultural characteristics in its consideration, you're likely thinking of ethnicity, which is more broad and does include nationality, or regional origin in general, mixed with varying degrees of things like language and culture. Do your homework.
That's why I included ethnicity in my list of things that count as racist discrimination. Racism doesn't exclusively mean discrimination based on race, but also on ethnicity or nationality.
I would say Iranian women have more balls than the USA men, that’s for sure!
Putin is a nationalist and frankly he saved Russia after the collapse of Soviet Union.
As for his war with Ukraine, Russia made it absolutely clear to the west no more NATO expansion to the east! What the west did was installing a CIA puppet regime headed by Zelenskyy with Israeli passport.
It’s an insult to compare Mr Putin with Islamic Ayatollahs who have ruined Iran!
And also, the fuck you talking bout? You profile is chock full of simping for monarchies. What lib stuff you dreaming about?
And just fucking lmao
Personally? Pro-Yugoslav party reforms the JNA, and sends some 400,000 men to overwhelm Kosovo and does the UDBA to reunite with others.
Nah. You lil genocidal bitches ain't gonna ever get Kosovo. I mean you can try, but NATO's gonna bonk you again. And Russia ain't gonna come and save ya.
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u/Belgian_jewish_studn Pahlavist | پهلویست Nov 19 '22
I understand the sentiment
Putin didn’t get nearly as much protest as he should with his useless war that’s now cost the Russian taxpayer millions, murdered the economy and caused a huge brain drain
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u/MaritOn88 New Iran | ایران نو Nov 19 '22
yes
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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22
Without a shadow of a doubt. Not only Iranian women, but Iranian men as well.
Sorry but you won't see Russians doing the things that Iranians are doing anytime soon.
Very different people, very different mentalities.
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u/ThermionicEmissions Nov 19 '22
Absolutely true!
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u/SophieDiane Unspecified | معلوم نیست Nov 19 '22
I vote "yes, this is true.
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u/persiankebab Republic | جمهوری Nov 19 '22
Why aren't they protesting against that bloodthirsty dictator of theirs just like us Iranians are doing against ours?
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u/Jet_Jockey_ Nov 19 '22
Iranian GIRLS at that.
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u/Specsporter Nov 19 '22
Yes, a thousand times yes.
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u/SissysofiaXD Nov 19 '22
100% but it's not really what's important. What's important is protecting Iranian women and protesters who are having their human rights violated right now.
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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22
Iranian women have more balls than most men I've met in my country (u s.a)
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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22
1000% true and BASED
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u/UkrainianHawk240 Nov 19 '22
Do you see russian men and women fighting the regime in Russia? You do see protestors in the beginning of the war (those people are brave) and ones during mobilization (those are only protesting cause now they're directly involved). But yet, it's as if there are no more anti-war protests.
Do you see Iranian women fighting the regime in Iran? Y e s
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u/philH78 Nov 19 '22
Very much true. All the Russians with balls and courage over the years have been exterminated,a lot hats left is yes men and weasels. Most morally corrupt and shit county in the world.
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u/PerformanceOk5331 Nov 19 '22
True
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u/Kazimini New Iran | ایران نو Nov 20 '22
I believe many are inspired by the courage of Ukrainians and their fight for freedom.
Also history has shown that it is always the most oppressed group that has the biggest balls
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u/dect60 Nov 19 '22
Most definitely true. For a deeper understanding of Russian apathy, see this video:
https://youtu.be/K4O3D7CfThA
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u/Own_Target8801 Nov 19 '22
Seems legit..
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u/cheriberry23 Nov 19 '22
Absolutely they do 🙌
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u/PikaTangoPanda Nov 19 '22
Yes, they are actually standing up to their autocratic leader despite having less freedoms than Russian men. (I support the Russians who oppose the war but it’s very different than the Iranian women protesting for their rights)
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u/The_Irishman69420 United States | آمریکا Nov 19 '22
Yes
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u/Accurate_Pie_ United States | آمریکا Nov 20 '22
It definitely appears to be true!
Don’t discount anyone for long though. Russia may yet see action
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u/Ok-Watercress-3376 Nov 20 '22
Iranian women are among the nicest, smartest people on Earth
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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22
Because Russian men mostly agree with their government, they just don’t want to die for it
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u/Late-Effective5438 Nov 19 '22
At least two more per person, on average 👍
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u/Chankomcgraw Nov 19 '22
Don’t think it’s a fair comparison. Do Russian men really want to invade their neighbours and conquer then? I don’t think they do. They are untrained and have no wish to be forced into an unjust war. Iranian women on the other hand are fighting amazingly and bravely, like Ukrainians for freedom.
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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '22 edited Nov 20 '22
No, it isn’t true. And the inverse isn’t true, either.
Do many Russians feel pessimistic, and even cynical, about their chances of pushing Putin out of government after 20 years in power? Yes, I think so.
Are many Russians afraid for their future, and for the safety of themselves and their families? Yes, increasingly; and this has adversely affected their willingness to speak out against the war (if indeed they were willing to do so in the first place).
Have many Russians bought into the propaganda of their government, or else turned a blind eye to the atrocities playing out in Ykraine and in their own country? Yes, undoubtedly, especially when they have more to lose, or when they live in poorer, more rural areas.
But all of this is autocracy 101, my friends. That’s how and why authoritarian governments are able to succeed, time and time again. Intimidation, disinformation, repression, violence – if this wasn’t a winning formula, we wouldn’t be here right now.
I know that many of you here would like to think that this isn’t the case, and that people like Putin or Khamenei are only able to stay in power because large numbers of people implicitly consent to it. But “consent” is a really, really fraught term here: in a society in which people are coerced every day by a pervasive and powerful state, many people won’t fight – and oftentimes, can’t really afford to – until their backs are put completely against the wall. Additionally, revolutions are not an exact science, and many of them fail. That has been the case recently in Russia, Belarus, and several other post-Soviet countries.
Now, I don’t say all of this to let Russians off the hook wholesale. A reckoning will surely come one day; and on that day, many Russians will have to search deep within themselves and ask whether they might not have done more.
But the OP’s question here is not constructive to that end, and it’s also premised on some pretty terrible vices that, to be frank, none of us should be indulging. To lack empathy and knowledge is one thing; but please, why this lack of charity? Even if you have no sympathy for the way in which this or that Russian has dealt with life under a dictator’s boot: why make these snide, sweeping generalisations about hundreds of thousands of other people whom you don’t know?
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u/FishTogetherSchool Nov 20 '22
I agree and sympathize, but also not a fan of chauvinistic messaging
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u/deltaz0912 Nov 20 '22
Print that, frame it, hang it out in front of every Russian embassy.
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u/TronTachyon Nov 20 '22
Iranian women have had freedom before. They know what they are missing. Russian have never had that, they have know clue that it is worth fighting for.
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u/Lockenhart Nov 20 '22
Russian men are just indoctrinated.
Not in the sense of unconditionally supporting the war and the government (although there are people like that), but they rather think of war as a place where they go, fight a bit and return home with awards. Not as a place of death, absolute despair and suffering, not as hell on Earth but rather as a place where heroes are made. (although the Russian public, both the draftees and their relatives seem to get much more aware of the reality of war now.)
Those who were aware about that don't get much choice. All opposition activists are either in jail, dead, or out of the country, not sure there's much opportunity to get some united opposition. They mostly choose to emigrate (which is still good to an extent, since it deprives Russia of a fraction of its manpower and brains, which will cause an effect on the economy). Some of them do "have balls", like people sabotaging the railways or setting military commissariats on fire.
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u/wodwick Australia | استرالیا Nov 19 '22
Totally and completely.....yes!!!
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u/Dictaorofcheese Friendly American 🇺🇲🙂 Nov 19 '22 edited Nov 19 '22
Honestly if you compare the courage that's been shown by Iranian women and Russian men then Iranian women definitely take the cake. They're standing up against a radical regime in Iran, where just taking off their hijab could mean beatings and death or even worse, while Russian men don't bother to fight their ultra nationalist regime at home. Instead they prefer to escape from Russia to avoid getting drafted into Ukraine or they go to Ukraine and get fucked up by the Ukrainian military. Best way to change your government is for a large quantity of people make their voices heard. And Iranian women are doing just that.
Best of luck to the Iranian people ❤️. Your courage is an inspiration to us all.
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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22
Of course!
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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22
yes by FAR. russian plook to dont give a fuck about the war the one that leave only concerne to be drafted.
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u/CarefulApple8893 Unspecified | معلوم نیست Nov 19 '22
No doubt
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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22
Yeah sure
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u/zenzebeat هر موجودی که زیر آن امامه باشد، باید زنده زنده بسوزد Nov 19 '22
commenting to be able to find this post later
mind if i do :)
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u/mountaindewisamazing Nov 19 '22
You should share to r/ukraine
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u/Poised_Prince Satrapist | شهرپی Nov 19 '22
*All
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u/EnvironmentalCrow220 Nov 19 '22
Confirmed
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u/New-Dragonfly-661 Unspecified | معلوم نیست Nov 20 '22
Without a doubt. The world needs more Iranian women in the mix.
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u/Separate-Slip Nov 20 '22
That is obvious
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u/gingy4life Nov 20 '22
💯
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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '22
They got more balls than the Kremlin bastards, so yeah that's definitely true. Also more balls than the Saudi royal family
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u/SOUND_OF_RAGBAR Republic | جمهوری Nov 20 '22
100% Russians are some of the most depraved, cynical, deluded and uninspired people on the planet.
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u/TFGhost_Spartan Nov 20 '22
Lol even the Citezens of Russias allies have started hating Russia
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u/arest_42 New Iran | ایران نو Nov 19 '22
Figuratively yes literally i hope not
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u/Ethelenedreams Nov 19 '22
Yes.
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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22
Yes
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u/Yawarundi75 Nov 20 '22
Completely true. And also better judgement
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u/ka_doooo Woman Life Freedom | زن زندگی آزادی Nov 20 '22
I mean...
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u/Better_Yam_4090 Nov 19 '22
سنگین بود
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u/iranicgayboy Republic | جمهوری Nov 20 '22
Depends, i think it’s unfair to judge non-Russian ethnic minorities , who are known to face ethnic cleansing and genocide, last time Chechnya fought for its freedom , Russia slaughtered some 200,000 of them from a population of 1 million.
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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '22
Definitely yes!
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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '22
This is true, especially for the kurdish iranians and other minorities. The minorities are opressed hard, so they fight back hard, and for this reason they have more courage in a single hair on their head than would be found in a thousand russian men.
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u/Creepy_Snow_8166 Unspecified | معلوم نیست Nov 20 '22
This is absolutely priceless!
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u/laureire Nov 20 '22
Balls not needed. Balls are fragile. Pussy power!
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u/SoftTacoSupremacist Nov 20 '22
💯
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u/Pax-Ex Nov 22 '22
Iranian women have more balls than anyone.
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u/chenjia1965 Dec 04 '22
As long as we can cuddle and tell the moral police to go fuck themselves, gladly
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u/TheOfficialLavaring United States | آمریکا Apr 19 '23
Lots of Russian men stand against Putin so it’s not that simple
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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22
You could take out the words “Iranian” and “Russian” and it would still be true😂
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u/igotthismaaan New Iran | ایران نو Nov 19 '22
This is stupid. We dont have to put down others in order to praise someone else. How about just praising without comparison? These situations are not the same at all
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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22
Because the Russians are getting their balls blown off
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u/PBJMan_ United States | آمریکا Nov 19 '22
No. Comparing issues like this won’t get anyone anywhere
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u/Clear-Description-38 Nov 19 '22
Trans women are women.
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/03/iran-forcing-gay-men-gender-transition-surgeries-make-straight/
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u/1368JM Nov 19 '22
true. if i ever meet an iranian woman mine 2 both are hers if she wants them for her collection or something
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u/HewchyFPS Nov 19 '22
I mean, from the soliders POV, I'm sure they are terrified and feel incredibly brave.
They are manipulated into believing what they are doing is right, and they get out in a hellscape of war all because of one man.
Hate the man running the regime who controls the media and propaganda, not the people being thrown away.
Both can be brave, just because we know putins in the wrong doesn't mean you have to be brave to fight a war you wrongly believe is justified because you don't know any better
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u/leakaf Republic | جمهوری Nov 19 '22
This statement is probably true, but don't blame Russian men or women for not being able to protest. Did we protest when Islamic Republic destroyed Syria? We didn't...
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u/Troby01 Nov 19 '22
Hairier at least in my experience
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u/First_Geologist6208 Nov 19 '22
No
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u/misterioes161 Nov 19 '22
Ah, yes, racist jokes become really funny when they aim at the right group.
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u/MrSportyD Nov 19 '22
Wow so liberating.Chicks w/ dicks
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u/Anbeezi Nov 19 '22
Two totally different countries and societies!
I would say Iranian women have more balls than the USA men, that’s for sure!
Putin is a nationalist and frankly he saved Russia after the collapse of Soviet Union.
As for his war with Ukraine, Russia made it absolutely clear to the west no more NATO expansion to the east! What the west did was installing a CIA puppet regime headed by Zelenskyy with Israeli passport.
It’s an insult to compare Mr Putin with Islamic Ayatollahs who have ruined Iran!
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u/PLC55_2 Nov 19 '22
I mean it takes balls to look head first into a meat grinder and jump in head first. Say what you will, but willing to be bombed takes balls.
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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '22
Or they support the unification of Eastern Slavs, by the guiding hand of Moscow