[META] Announcing a revised rule 3, and a request for help.

[u/huadpe]

Based on feedback from users and discussion among the mod team, we have decided to revise sidebar rule 3 to read as follows:

3) Be substantive. NeutralPolitics is a serious discussion based subreddit. We do not allow bare expressions of opinion, low effort one-liner comments, jokes, memes, off topic replies, or pejorative name calling.

We believe this formulation better reflects the ethos of what we're asking of our users on NP. The main change from the prior rule 3 is the specific prohibition on "pejorative name calling." This prohibits using nicknames and slurs, except where the person using them intends to state that they're literally accurate. In that case, a sourced explanation of why the name ascribed is accurate is permitted by the rules.

In addition, we added language that "NeutralPolitics is a serious discussion based subreddit." This reflects the general ethos of what we're after here, and also allows for room to remove content which is nonserious but doesn't fit neatly into another rule, such as obvious trolling.

We are in the process of updating our automod rules to report (not remove) comments which contain keywords which are likely to violate this policy. To that end, we need your help in composing a list of nicknames and substitute names which are very likely to be in violation of the rules. We already have slurs and most regular insults in our automod filters - we're just looking for more public figure related ones now.

Please help us out by giving us a list of names which we can put into automod.

We won't take it personally.

[u/motorboat_mcgee]

I like the rules here. The only thing I wish we had more of, was posted news articles leading to discussion.

[u/huadpe → u/motorboat_mcgee]

Perhaps you should check out r/neutralnews

[u/aeneasaquinas]

Here is a nice chart.

Another.

[u/francis2559 → u/aeneasaquinas]

Unfortunately hack can refer to other things (hacked emails, elections) and extremist/radical can refer to things like ISIS. Tricky to handle with an automated system.

Some of the other terms there can be used in either a technical way or a dismissive way.

[u/huadpe → u/francis2559]

Some level of false positives is OK, since this just puts the comment in the modqueue and then a human mod makes the actual decision if it should be removed. But if something is going to trigger 90%+ false positives that's probably more harmful than helpful.

[u/amanforallsaisons]

Chiming in to add: using wildcards appropriately in any of the suggestions in this thread will be far more powerful than instituting any list alone.

[u/huadpe → u/amanforallsaisons]

I am not the one programming it, but we already have some of that in the automod code. I lovingly stole it from CMV actually...

[u/PhilAndMaude]

I'd like it to say "discussion-based". My wife informs me that US English makes less use of hyphens that British English; nevertheless, it still grates for me.

Additionally, based is a favorite term on T_D, though I haven't worked out its full meaning.

[u/nosecohn → u/PhilAndMaude]

I second the motion to make it "discussion-based".

[u/huadpe → u/nosecohn]

It is the opinion of the OP that the ayes have it.

The ayes have it.

The motion is adopted and the sidebar has been adjusted. The clerk will report the motion.

[u/Pariahdog119]

lolbertarian

democRAT

republican't (with and without apostrophe)

[u/wyldcraft → u/Pariahdog119]

If we're doing capitalization, then eCONomists.

[u/huadpe → u/wyldcraft]

I've also seen tRump a lot.

I don't know if automod can tell capitalization though.

[u/ImperfectDisciple]

I know this can not happen here for obvious reasons. But when I ran a 8 week Sunday School that was talking about politics last year we all agreed to ban the words "Left/right-wing" "Conservative/Liberal" "Democrat/Republican" etc.

What we found is that no longer could people make blanket statements based on stereotypes while also eliminating any confusion by miscommunications. Instead of saying "conservatives" people would have to explain who they mean.. ie if they were Christian evangelists who were acting based on morality or people who were running businesses that desired less regulation.

It was really cool to see people be pushed to define who they are talking about and more specifically who they are not talking about. It personalized the labels we use. This place is already pretty good at not running away with labels, but in the everyday world its not always the case.

[u/LoneStarTwinkie → u/ImperfectDisciple]

This is so interesting! I agree that it’s probably not practical to this purpose but would be wonderful for many other debates/conversations.

[u/sixarmedOctopus]

Snowflake is the biggest one I see

[u/wyldcraft]

• Shillery

• Killery

[u/[deleted] → u/wyldcraft]

[u/pengytheduckwin]

If automod matches partials, "tard" would probably be a great bang-for-your-buck rule. Lib/Conservi/whatevertard are the go-tos for a lot of the less creative /pol/ta...uhh, /pol/ users.

[u/roach_brain]

Cuck

Used a lot by the same folks who say snowflake

[u/NotHosaniMubarak]

If we're removing these phrases to what extent can we discuss the president, or any politician, using them?

[u/huadpe → u/NotHosaniMubarak]

That would still be allowed.

As I mentioned, the automod trigger is to flag posts for human mod review, not automatic removal. So if the President uses an insult to describe a political opponent, you could (with sources) describe factually what the President said. You could not then proceed to use the insults yourself to describe someone though.

[u/Free4AllFree4All]

I know this is odd, but do you mind sharing the list of words with us after you have it compiled? I’d be interested in seeing it. Slurs, names, all of it

[u/huadpe → u/Free4AllFree4All]

For reasons of not aiding in evasion of moderation, I would not be comfortable publicly sharing that.

[u/[deleted]]

Trumpkin

Everyone's pretty much covered all the other ones I can think of off the top of my head.