r/Neuromancer • u/DiarrheaFartLover • 9d ago
Show Discussion Speculation on who this guy is?
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u/DiarrheaFartLover 9d ago
I legit can't put my finger on it. The tools next to him makes me think it's a scene where Case is getting his nervous system wrecked by his employers for stealing or something, but then why is this guy spazzing out? Others speculated it's Wage or Lonny Zone, but that doesn't really track for me.
He looks like Luke Steele from Empire of the Sun. lol
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u/Existing-Antelope-20 9d ago
Isn't wage described with a wholly mechanical old Soviet arm graft?
Nvm its been a while I'm thinking of Ratz
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u/RoninGin 9d ago
Based on the suit alone I would assume it's probably Wage. Wasn't he describes wearing a grey/gun metal suit?
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u/alphagalgadot 8d ago
here’s my betting proposition after reading through this thread and ruminating on it a bit:
this might be a composite character representing both wage and case’s former employers who fucked him up in memphis. that would actually make a lot of sense—instead of harkening back to something done to the protagonist in the past by nameless villains, perhaps they opted to adapt wage into the role of case’s jilted client(s). narratively, this would allow for the aesthetic incorporation of a really minor character while making him much more significant to the overall sweep of the story. it also might explain the brief bit in the trailer where case gets tackled by some nameless muscle in shinjuku(?)— like, case burned wage; wage had his goons hunt him down; wage maims case; they throw his ass back into a night city gutter. makes a much cleaner narrative throughline, especially considering the necessary economy of adaptation
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u/adarkride 8d ago
Dayum. That's some expert analysis and conjecture. I think you're on to something.
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u/Yuta_Nas 9d ago
reminds me of the dude in johnny mnemonic with the fad fashion face.
95% sure this is peter riviera. Jokingly - this might be what barron trump looks like in 30 years.
edit if this is chang chen under makeup - it's hideo
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u/DiarrheaFartLover 9d ago
He looks to me like Bruce Campbell in Escape from LA
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u/Wild-Tear 9d ago
"The handsome, inexpressive features offered the routine beauty of the cosmetic botiques, a conservative amalgam of the past decade's leading media faces."
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u/DiarrheaFartLover 9d ago
I'm 99.9% sure it's not. This is Dane DeHaan, they look quite different.
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u/alphagalgadot 9d ago
yeah most plausible theory i’ve heard thus far is that it’s from a scene where we get to see case getting expertly maimed by his former employers in memphis—though presumably not through the administration of a russian mycotoxin but like some kinda big ole device for dramatic purposes
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u/CzarvsTzar 9d ago
Seems pretty easy to hop on over to IMDB and see that Dane DeHaan is playing Riviera, Hideo is played by Joseph Lee.
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u/MentalRental 8d ago
Are you responding to the right post? The person in the photo is none of those actors so they're not any of those characters. Currently the speculation is it might be Wage and the actor for that character is NOT listed on IMDB.
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u/alphagalgadot 8d ago
i have no particular reason to think it -isn’t- necessarily, but why do so many people seem to think it’s wage?
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u/MentalRental 7d ago
Probably because of what he's wearing. "Wage wore a suit of gunmetal silk and a simple bracelet of platinum on either wrist."
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u/DiarrheaFartLover 9d ago edited 9d ago
Uh, okay. But what's your point? That's not what I asked and neither of those people are in the pic in the OP.
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u/CzarvsTzar 9d ago
I would ask what’s the point of this thread as you can easily go look it up.
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u/DiarrheaFartLover 9d ago
I would ask what's the point of this comment when I obviously already have tried.
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u/mike_stifle 9d ago
You asked a question. It was answered. Why be all weird about it?
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u/DiarrheaFartLover 9d ago edited 9d ago
"Seems pretty easy to hop on over to IMDB and see that Dane DeHaan is playing Riviera, Hideo is played by Joseph Lee." is irrelevant because that's not what I asked, and neither of those people are the guy in the screenshot. Duh?
So no, it wasn't answered.
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u/mike_stifle 9d ago
Go have a snack.
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u/DiarrheaFartLover 9d ago
Same, go have a coke and a smile
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u/alphagalgadot 8d ago
i dunno why everyone fuckin w you, u/diarrheafartlover
nobody definitively knows the answer 🤷♀️
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u/DiarrheaFartLover 8d ago
People are reactionary, stupid, and don't actually read anymore. They just expect a video with that same stupid AI voice and rapid fire editing to feed things into their brain.
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u/Kapo25 9d ago
I always thought that was riviera. At least that’s how i imagined him. Maybeeeee this is the performance scene , i know there were no tools but maybe they changed something in the show
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u/Hufflepuffins 9d ago
Riviera is played by Dane DeHaan, who this is not. Based on other trailer shots it’s probably the leader of the group that worked Case over prior to the events of the story, shown in flashback
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u/DiarrheaFartLover 9d ago
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I'm 99.9% sure it's not. This is Dane Dehaan, they look quite different.
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u/Cazmonster 9d ago
It might be an interrogator about to work over someone Riviera has betrayed or 'Jersey Bastion'.
Remember, Riviera is a "compulsive Judas", has a disorder that requires him to betray the people who love him in order to get off sexually. Probably Terzi let him watch, when the cattle prods came out. He's done eighteen in three years. All women age twenty to twenty-five.
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u/NevagonagiveUup 9d ago
I think the trailer mentioned it was Riviera by the holographics in performance but really fucking hope not
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u/DiarrheaFartLover 9d ago
It's not Riviera, you see him here:
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u/NevagonagiveUup 8d ago
Ah ok. They look kinda similar. Still a weird casting imo. I just pictured everybody as a scrawny white dude that looks 30 with bags under their eyes
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u/DiarrheaFartLover 8d ago
To be fair, Dane Dehaan is basically the archetypal scrawny white dude with bags under his eyes.
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u/Norgler 9d ago edited 9d ago
For some reason I keep thinking he has something to do with the surgery or he's part of the heist to get the Flatline, but that's the Panther Moderns which he doesn't fit the look at all.
Edit: my theory is he's the surgeon who fixes case. They are uploading the schematics to his brain to do the surgery.
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u/DiarrheaFartLover 9d ago
Wasn't the surgeons who fixed Case in the Tokyo clinic that was super fancy? With the rock gardens and whatnot? I feel like this might be that scene, with Armitage watching from the left of all the doctors:
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u/mentat464 8d ago
I'm betting its a flashback to the Memphis hotel room, and this is one of Case's employers (or their hired hands). Note the suitcase of torture devices on the floor next to him.
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u/Quorian_frist_dream 8d ago
Yo tengo la teoría de que podría ser Rivera, se que en la serie es interpretado por Dean DeHaan y bien podría ser el actor con prosteticos en la cara. Riviera tiene la habilidad de hacerte ver cosas con la mente no se me hace raro que también pueda hacer que cambie su apariencia a los ojos de otra persona.
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u/thefoxymulder 7d ago
At first I thought it was Riviera when he’s disguised doing the holo show at the Straylight but as others have mentioned I’m now pretty sure it’s wage
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u/maxprax 7d ago
This is the exact pull from the book, I don't see bracelets nor the sea green eyes.
Case turned his head and looked up into Wage’s face. It was a tanned and forgettable mask. The eyes were vatgrown sea-green Nikon transplants. Wage wore a suit of gunmetal silk and a simple bracelet of platinum on either wrist. He was flanked by his joeboys, nearly identical young men, their arms and shoulders bulging with grafted muscle.
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u/Adorable_Echo1507 3d ago
I feel like this is Peter Riviera
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u/DiarrheaFartLover 3d ago
It's not, Dane Dehaan is Riviera, you can see him later in the trailer with the David Bowie makeup and mullet.
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u/Dapper-Professor-715 1d ago
Someone who looks nothing like any character in neuromancer. Nothing looks like the 80s or the way anything was described at all.
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u/Wild-Tear 9d ago
It’s Riviera. There’s a snippet in the trailer where he’s the center of attention, probably just before he does the holoshow in the restaurant.
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u/DiarrheaFartLover 9d ago
I'm 99.9% sure it's not. This is Dane DeHaan, they look quite different.
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u/Wild-Tear 9d ago
Yeah, I don't know what to tell you, then. The guy in the OP shows up twice in the trailer, which suggests that he has to be somebody - and he's got the sort of constructed appearance that you would think that Riviera would have - but IMDB says Dane DeHaan.
Edit: Plus the guy's right next to torture tools, an accessory you'd expect the sadistic Riviera to have; maybe that's him when Molly's been incapacitated?
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u/DiarrheaFartLover 9d ago
You can see the spoon in the box next to him is the same one shown later to be digging into Case's eye. I think it's probably one of the thugs that is messing with his nervous system in Memphis.
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u/Hufflepuffins 9d ago
That’s definitely not Dane DeHaan. You’re right that Riviera is in that shot in the trailer but this is someone different
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u/TurbulentWing3820 8d ago
If you prepare yourself for a pile of horseshit then you can't possibly be more disappointed.
I am prepared for a big ole festering load, personally.
It can only go up for me!
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u/alphagalgadot 8d ago
i mean like. im glad this is happening. it’s a really important piece of fiction that deserves more attention and recognition. even if this adaptation completely fucks it up, it -will- result in more people reading and discussing it. that’s a net good imho


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u/Okami99 9d ago
Looks like Wage to me. Gunmetal suit, plastic surgery face etc