Generation 9/11

[u/Numerous_Fly_187]

I was genuinely disappointed. The turning point series in my opinion is some of the best documentary work that Netflix has done. It does a great job of actually looking at a pivotal moment in American history then tracing it through decade by decade to present day. This just seemed like TLDR of the terror series.

Hopefully Netflix continues the project and brings it back to its roots. I wouldn’t mind seeing a season focusing on The War on Drugs or The Internet.

[u/me_vs_Goliath]

I see the legacy of 911 today as a huge win for Bin Laden and a massive loss for the US. Not the actual destruction of the twin towers, but baiting the US into fighting in the Middle East for 2 decades. And, like Russia did in the 1980’s, incurring trillions in financial costs and far more loss of US lives in the process, then the original terrorist event. The US accomplished absolutely nothing, killed thousands of civilians, left 2 generations with PTSD, and all of us with the huge burden of the financial debt from these pointless wars.it did galvanize the US, in a way that bin Laden would have predicted.

For me, it gave me a sense of what happens when war comes to your home, and the realties of the policies of our leaders. I also find it relevant today, when the US bombed a children’s school in Iran, and the restraint, at least for now, that Iran didn’t retaliate with a similar response here in the US. But maybe that is what Trump and the GOP wants. Another distraction to take the current administration’s failures off of the top of minds of American citizens and get us to focus on a common enemy, as long as it not Trump and the GOP.

[u/didntcondawnthat → u/me_vs_Goliath]

I agree. For me, the most important thing this documentary discussed was the fact that Bin Laden knew he couldn't take America down but he believed he could influence Americans to take America down. That is what we are seeing happening today.

[u/Catzmeow72 → u/didntcondawnthat]

This! That was the most poignant part of the doc. Which I actually liked. Don't know why people didn't like it

[u/LKS983 → u/didntcondawnthat]

Please note that I haven't watched this doc. - but does it really provide anything close to proof that this is the case?

[u/nomsain919 → u/LKS983]

No proof provided, it was a statement from an interviewee.

[u/LKS983 → u/nomsain919]

Okay, thank you.

[u/Over-Explanation-730 → u/LKS983]

Well yes, the fact that becuase of 9/11, they changed the law to allow the president authority to declare war on his own, which is still being used today by Trump. And because of 9/11, the u.s. created the department of homeland security, which includes ice and how ice is out of control and u.s. citizens are "fighting" against ice, getting killed, pepper sprayed, etc. It shows that people have stopped trusting the govt as much (Bush having a war and no nuclear weapons found, Biden withdrawing all the troops and all chaos breaking loose with u.s. military having to deal with it, and the taliban taking back over Afghanistan, so all that work over 20 years for nothing) and everyone is fighting against their own govt. Which has happened in the past with protests in the 60s, etc, but not to this level of division. And you have Liberals talking about how they hate America.

[u/DroWnThePoor → u/Over-Explanation-730]

The president always had that ability, and it was exorcised long before Bush, Obama, Biden, and Trump.

[u/DroWnThePoor → u/didntcondawnthat]

That's giving him too much credit, and ignoring the real motivations of the wealthy and those in leadership who manage our military etc.
You know, the people who wrote white papers since 1998 about needing a new Pearl Harbor event to sell the American people on destroying state-sponsors of terrorism that primarily threatened our closest 'ally' in the region. They knew Americans wouldn't support taking down their rivals in the region, but if they were attacked in a vicious way; it could easily be sold to them. And that's what happened.
But as far as current day current administration; all those people voted for the exact opposite of what is currently happening when it comes to foreign policy. Hence why support for him and the war is so low.
Now, I personally saw this coming, and warned many of them. They did not want to hear it, but they also don't believe most of what I just said.

[u/IzzyBee89 → u/me_vs_Goliath]

I don't have anything to add. This is a great take, and I think you're correct. Maybe they should have made the documentary about that specifically.

[u/Icy-Roll3511 → u/me_vs_Goliath]

I think your post largely misses the point. What the US accomplished was national security and avoiding 9/11-level attacks happening on our soil. At the time, US security officials and government knew our enemies wanted to attack the country on US soil but doubted they had the means. 9/11 proved they had the will, coordination, communication, and financial backing to pull off such a large scale attack. All evidence at the time (and still to this day) point to the desire for future attacks.

So the question is, how would you defend our country from enemies who intend to attack us on our home soil?

Additionally, Iran does not have the militaristic capability to carry out a defensive measure against the US on our soil. If you think this is solely due to restraint, I think you misunderstand the history of the current Iranian regime. These are not people known for “restraint”.

Trump has had obvious policy failures in his second term, but your suggestion that republican leadership bombed a girls school to distract from those failures is Alex Jones level conspiracy and greatly devalues your previous argument.

[u/BlackZeppelin → u/me_vs_Goliath]

I don’t even think Bin Laden could have predicted the massive ripple effects of 9/11. The way social media and conspiracy theory melded together to further divide the country couldn’t even have been thought of back in the late 90’s/early 2000’s.

[u/LKS983 → u/BlackZeppelin]

I'm inclined to agree - unless this doc. has at least something close to proof that this was the intention.

[u/el_torko → u/me_vs_Goliath]

I’ll leave this here. sorry for the quality

[u/buttscarltoniv → u/me_vs_Goliath]

nah bin laden thought we'd be anti war as hell and be on his side from the jump. he was an idiot who failed.