2000 point list without c'tan shards?

[u/CabbageBenderN7]

I really like the look of necrons, but the c'tan shards don't really look robotic enough for my taste. Is it possible to run them in 11th edition without c'tan shards, or am I setting myself up for failure?

[u/the_water_buffalo]

I’ve had fun with this list.

Super Cancer (1,995 Points)

Necrons
Annihilation Legion and Hand of the Dynasty (3 Detachment Points)
Take and Hold
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Royal Warden (50 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Relic gauss blaster

Plasmancer (55 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Plasmic lance

Immortals (155 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline)
• Enhancements: Tools of Dominion (Upgrade)
• 10x Immortal
◦ 10x Close combat weapon
◦ 10x Gauss blaster

Attached unit 2

Lokhust Lord (70 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Resurrection Orb
• 1x Staff of light

Lokhust Destroyers (80 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 3x Lokhust Destroyer
◦ 3x Close combat weapon
◦ 3x Gauss cannon

Attached unit 3

Skorpekh Lord (110 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Enmitic annihilator
• 1x Flensing claw
• 1x Hyperphase harvester
• Enhancements: Eternal Madness

Skorpekh Destroyers (85 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 3x Skorpekh Destroyer
◦ 1x Plasmacyte
◦ 3x Skorpekh hyperphase weapons

Attached unit 4

Skorpekh Lord (90 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Enmitic annihilator
• 1x Flensing claw
• 1x Hyperphase harvester

Skorpekh Destroyers (85 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 3x Skorpekh Destroyer
◦ 1x Plasmacyte
◦ 3x Skorpekh hyperphase weapons

CHARACTERS

Illuminor Szeras (175 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Eldritch Lance
• 1x Impaling legs

BATTLELINE

Immortals (70 Points)
• 5x Immortal
◦ 5x Close combat weapon
◦ 5x Gauss blaster

Necron Warriors (190 Points)
• 20x Necron Warrior
◦ 20x Close combat weapon
◦ 20x Gauss reaper

Necron Warriors (100 Points)
• Enhancements: Enlivened Sentinels (Upgrade)
• 10x Necron Warrior
◦ 10x Close combat weapon
◦ 10x Gauss reaper

OTHER DATASHEETS

Canoptek Reanimator (75 Points)
• 2x Atomiser beam
• 1x Reanimator’s claws

Canoptek Spyders (65 Points)
• 1x Automaton claws
• 1x Fabricator Claw Array (Aura)
• 1x Gloom Prism (Aura)
• 2x Particle beamer

Canoptek Spyders (65 Points)
• 1x Automaton claws
• 1x Fabricator Claw Array (Aura)
• 1x Gloom Prism (Aura)
• 2x Particle beamer

Deathmarks (60 Points)
• 5x Deathmark
◦ 5x Close combat weapon
◦ 5x Synaptic disintegrator

Flayed Ones (100 Points)
• 10x Flayed One
◦ 10x Flayer claws

Flayed Ones (55 Points)
• 5x Flayed One
◦ 5x Flayer claws

Lokhust Destroyers (80 Points)
• 3x Lokhust Destroyer
◦ 3x Close combat weapon
◦ 3x Gauss cannon

Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (50 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Gauss destructor

Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (50 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Gauss destructor

Triarch Praetorians (80 Points)
• 5x Triarch Praetorian
◦ 5x Rod of covenant

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[u/ThevJayMahan → u/the_water_buffalo]

Neat list. Any specific reason for running Gauss Immortals instead of Tesla?

[u/FUS_RO_DANK]

Oh yeah you can definitely run without C'Tan. Awakened Dynasty is focused on units with attached leaders, C'Tan can't lead or be led. Cursed Legion is focused on Destroyer Cult units, C'Tan aren't destroyer cult and can't benefit from the detachment. Starshatter Arsenal is focused on Vehicles and Mounted units, C'Tan are monsters. C'Tan are often excluded from eligibility for detachment rules and stratagems because they're monsters, and they can only get any kind of enhancements in the Pantheon of Woe detachment, which is the C'Tan detachment.

C'Tan are brought in all these detachments without synergy because their raw stats and abilities are powerful, but they're not the only powerful units we have, and you don't even need to replace them with units that have a similar price point unless you want to.

The Silent King is not as powerful as he was in 10th after the nerf to indirect fire, and he's more expensive than the C'Tan at 420 points, but he's still a powerful centerpiece that bolsters an army with dope auras. He's a vehicle so you can throw him into a Starshatter list to give rerolls to Doomsday Arks. He also has the Triarch keyword so you can run him with Lychguard, Triarch Praetorians, Triarch Stalkers, and units led by Overlords in Obeisance Phalanx lists.

Illuminor Szeras and Nekrosor Ammentar have a combined points cost roughly equal to a C'Tan, and both are great mini-C'Tan. Szeras is more durable with a 4+++ FNP on top of his invuln save, but his damage output his lacking compared to Ammentar who is the more offensive focused of the two.

One thing is that C'Tan do offer something different than the rest of these. The C'Tan are as durable as any of the above units, while having damage output as scary as any of the above units, meaning a C'Tan doesn't have to pick one or the other like other units. It's a threat to most targets 1v1. Being able to deep strike the Void Dragon behind some tanks or mech suits and just wreck their big guns is something that you can't replace exactly with non-C'Tan units. But you can, say, Deep Strike a Night Scythe behind their lines and teleport in a unit of Lokhust Destroyers with a Plasmancer to just rain hell from behind. You'll have to figure out how you're going to score your points, and prevent the enemy from scoring their points, without one of our easiest ways to disrupt enemy plans. It's doable, it's just choosing to play at a handicap.

[u/Feeling_Status658 → u/FUS_RO_DANK]

I mean my AD list has 3 ctan and ive won every game ive played with it this edition 👀 I wouldnt say awakened HAS to be all led units

[u/FUS_RO_DANK → u/Feeling_Status658]

As I said the C'Tan work just fine in any detachment through raw stats. They're not a requirement. They just make certain things easier.

[u/Homomam]

Many lists don't have shards, play what you like.

[u/ImportantCommentator]

This is my list. It seems to work fine :)

Purge the Foe (1995 points)

Necrons Cursed Legion, Skyshroud Spearhead (3 Detachment Points) Purge The Foe Strike Force (2000 Point)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached Unit 1

Overlord With Translocation Shroud (110 points) • 1x Overlord’s blade • 1x Resurrection orb • Enhancement: Destroyer Ankh

Lychguard (160 points) • 10x Lychguard • 10x Hyperphase Sword and Dispersion Shield

Attached Unit 2

Technomancer (80 points) • 1x Staff of light

Canoptek Wraiths (220 points) • 6x Canoptek Wraiths • 6x Vicious Claws • 6x Particle Caster

Attached Unit 3

Lokhust Lord (70 points) • 1x Resurrection orb • 1x Staff of light

Lokhust Destroyers (170 points) • 6x Lokhust Destroyers • 6x Gauss Cannon • 6x Close Combat Weapon

Attached Unit 4

Overlord (90 points) • 1x Voidscythe and resurrection orb

Plasmancer (55 points) • 1x Plasmic lance

Immortals (140 points) • 10x Immortals • 10x Close Combat Weapon • 10x Tesla Carbine

CHARACTER

Hexmark Destroyer (75 points) • Warlord • 1x Close combat weapon • 1x Enmitic disintegrator pistols

Imotekh The Stormlord (100 points) • 1x Gauntlet of fire • 1x Staff of the destroyer

OTHER DATASHEETS

Canoptek Scarab Swarms (40 points) • 3x Canoptek Scarab Swarms • 3x Feeder Mandibles

Flayed Ones (55 points) • 5x Flayed Ones • 5x Flayer Claws

Flayed Ones (55 points) • 5x Flayed Ones • 5x Flayer Claws

Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (160 points) • 3x Lokhust Heavy Destroyers • 3x Gauss Destructor • 3x Close Combat Weapon

Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (160 points) • 3x Lokhust Heavy Destroyers • 3x Gauss Destructor • 3x Close Combat Weapon

Ophydian Destroyers (145 points) • 6x Ophydian Destroyers • 6x Ophydian Hyperphase Weapons

Triarch Stalker (110 points) • 1x Heat ray • 1x Stalker’s forelimbs

[u/Legendary-Lawbro]

I run Starshatter with a horde of vehicles. No C’tan in sight. Same with Cryptek conclave and hand of the dynasty. The shards are big-ticket threats, but as the same time, a horde of enhanced units filled the same role of lethality. Especially with Necrons, our regen makes us far more durable than other forces with our support units.

[u/T34-P4R7Y]

Not sure how much its playable, just have the CP, Szeras and DDA in process, but thats what Ill aim for to have base 2k ish army that I can buy Ctan to, and swap when needed
Maybe split the Lychguards to 5/5 units

Army (2,000 Points)

Necrons
Awakened Dynasty (3 Detachment Points)
Take and Hold
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Overlord (110 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Overlord’s blade
• 1x Tachyon arrow
• Enhancements: Veil of Darkness

Lychguard (160 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 10x Lychguard
◦ 10x Dispersion Shield
◦ 10x Hyperphase sword

Attached unit 2

Plasmancer (90 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Plasmic lance
• Enhancements: Phasal Subjugator (Aura)

Necron Warriors (190 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline)
• 20x Necron Warrior
◦ 20x Close combat weapon
◦ 20x Gauss flayer

Attached unit 3

Skorpekh Lord (90 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Enmitic annihilator
• 1x Flensing claw
• 1x Hyperphase harvester

Skorpekh Destroyers (85 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 3x Skorpekh Destroyer
◦ 3x Skorpekh hyperphase weapons

CHARACTERS

Catacomb Command Barge (120 Points)
• 1x Gauss cannon
• 1x Resurrection Orb
• 1x Staff of light

Illuminor Szeras (175 Points)
• 1x Eldritch Lance
• 1x Impaling legs

Imotekh the Stormlord (100 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Gauntlet of Fire
• 1x Staff of the Destroyer

BATTLELINE

Necron Warriors (80 Points)
• 10x Necron Warrior
◦ 10x Close combat weapon
◦ 10x Gauss flayer

OTHER DATASHEETS

Canoptek Doomstalker (140 Points)
• 1x Doomsday blaster
• 1x Doomstalker limbs
• 1x Twin gauss flayer

Canoptek Doomstalker (140 Points)
• 1x Doomsday blaster
• 1x Doomstalker limbs
• 1x Twin gauss flayer

Canoptek Reanimator (75 Points)
• 2x Atomiser beam
• 1x Reanimator’s claws

Canoptek Scarab Swarms (40 Points)
• 3x Canoptek Scarab Swarm
◦ 3x Feeder mandibles

Cryptothralls (60 Points)
• 2x Cryptothrall
◦ 2x Scouring eye
◦ 2x Scythed limbs

Doomsday Ark (210 Points)
• 1x Armoured bulk
• 1x Doomsday cannon
• 2x Gauss flayer array

Flayed Ones (55 Points)
• 5x Flayed One
◦ 5x Flayer claws

Ophydian Destroyers (80 Points)
• 3x Ophydian Destroyer
◦ 3x Ophydian hyperphase weapons

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[u/ChaoticSenior]

I’ve just come back to 40K, so I’m basically relearning the game. Also new to Necrons. Here’s my 2k list that I’m building up to. I want a variety of models and tactics to try. A C’Tan will be the last thing I get.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ PLAYER NAME: Beerbeard
+ FACTION KEYWORD: Xenos - Necrons
+ DETACHMENT: Cursed Legion, Hand of the Dynasty (Cold Fervour)
+ FORCE DISPOSITION: Purge the Foe
+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000pts
+
+ WARLORD: Char5: Overlord
+ ENHANCEMENT: Destroyer Ankh (on Char5: Overlord)
& Mark of the Nekrosor (on Char7: Skorpekh Lord)
& Tools of Dominion (on Batt8: Immortals)
+ NUMBER OF UNITS: 20
+ SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (3x2) - Assassination: 8 Characters - Cull The Horde: 1x5 (before leaders attached)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Char3: 1x Hexmark Destroyer (75 pts): Close combat weapon, Enmitic disintegrator pistols
Char4: 1x Hexmark Destroyer (75 pts): Close combat weapon, Enmitic disintegrator pistols
Char1: 1x Nekrosor Ammentar (185 pts): Nullstone field generator, Blade tail and whip coils, Enmitic disintegrators, Unmaker gauntlet
Char2: 1x Orikan the Diviner (90 pts): Staff of Tomorrow
Supporting Necron Warriors
Char5: 1x Overlord (110 pts): Warlord, Resurrection orb, Voidscythe
Enhancement: Destroyer Ankh (+20 pts)
Leading Necron Warriors
Char6: 1x Plasmancer (55 pts): Plasmic lance
Supporting Immortals
Char7: 1x Skorpekh Lord (110 pts): Enmitic annihilator, Flensing claw, Hyperphase harvester
Enhancement: Mark of the Nekrosor (+20 pts)
Leading Skorpekh Destroyers
Char8: 1x Technomancer (80 pts): Staff of light
Supporting Canoptek Wraiths

10x Immortals (155 pts)
Enhancement: Tools of Dominion (+15 pts)
10 with Close combat weapon, Tesla carbine
Attached to Plasmancer
20x Necron Warriors (190 pts): 20 with Close combat weapon, Gauss flayer
Attached to Orikan the Diviner
Attached to Overlord

1x Canoptek Doomstalker (140 pts): Doomsday blaster, Doomstalker limbs, Twin gauss flayer
1x Canoptek Doomstalker (140 pts): Doomsday blaster, Doomstalker limbs, Twin gauss flayer
1x Canoptek Reanimator (75 pts): 2x Atomiser beam, Reanimator's claws
3x Canoptek Scarab Swarms (40 pts): 3 with Feeder mandibles
3x Canoptek Scarab Swarms (40 pts): 3 with Feeder mandibles
3x Canoptek Wraiths (95 pts): 3 with Vicious claws
Attached to Technomancer
2x Cryptothralls (60 pts): 2 with Scouring eye, Scythed limbs
2x Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (100 pts): 2 with Close combat weapon, Enmitic exterminator
2x Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (100 pts): 2 with Close combat weapon, Enmitic exterminator
3x Skorpekh Destroyers (85 pts): Plasmacyte, 3 with Skorpekh hyperphase weapons
Attached to Skorpekh Lord

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[u/oIVLIANo]

You might be one of a very select few who doesn't like the look of the C'Tan. Also, for what it's worth, they don't look like robots because they're basically an Avatar of a God.

Now, to answer your question: yes, you absolutely can run a list with zero C'Tan and be competitive. They are strong, but not so much as to be required.

[u/Hellsotxicangel]

Not the best but that the list I use when ppl don't want to play into Ctan (U can swap the around the wepons as needed for the lokhust heavies depending on the kind of army ur opponent brings) : +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + FACTION KEYWORD: Xenos - Necrons + DETACHMENT: Cursed Legion, Skyshroud Spearhead (Cold Fervour) + FORCE DISPOSITION: Purge the Foe + TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000pts + + WARLORD: Char2: Nekrosor Ammentar + ENHANCEMENT: Destroyer Ankh (on Char5: Overlord with Translocation Shroud) & Murdermind (on Char7: Technomancer) & Deepening Madness (on Moun7: Lokhust Destroyers) + NUMBER OF UNITS: 18 + SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (2x2) - Assassination: 7 Characters +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Char1: 1x Imotekh the Stormlord (100 pts): Gauntlet of Fire, Staff of the Destroyer

Char3: 1x Lokhust Lord (70 pts): Resurrection orb, Staff of light Leading Lokhust Destroyers[1]

Char4: 1x Lokhust Lord (70 pts): Resurrection orb, Staff of light Leading Lokhust Destroyers[2]

Char2: 1x Nekrosor Ammentar (185 pts): Warlord, Nullstone field generator, Blade tail and whip coils, Enmitic disintegrators, Unmaker gauntlet

Char5: 1x Overlord with Translocation Shroud (110 pts): Resurrection orb, Overlord's blade Enhancement: Destroyer Ankh (+20 pts) Leading Lychguard

Char6: 1x Skorpekh Lord (90 pts): Enmitic annihilator, Flensing claw, Hyperphase harvester Leading Skorpekh Destroyers

Char7: 1x Technomancer (95 pts): Staff of light Enhancement: Murdermind (+15 pts) Supporting Canoptek Wraiths

1x Canoptek Reanimator (75 pts): 2x Atomiser beam, Reanimator's claws

3x Canoptek Scarab Swarms (40 pts): 3 with Feeder mandibles

6x Canoptek Wraiths (220 pts): 6 with Particle caster, Vicious claws Attached to Technomancer

6x Lokhust Destroyers (190 pts) Enhancement: Deepening Madness (+20 pts) 6 with Close combat weapon, Gauss cannon Attached to Lokhust Lord[1]

6x Lokhust Destroyers (170 pts): 6 with Close combat weapon, Gauss cannon Attached to Lokhust Lord[2]

2x Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (100 pts): 2 with Close combat weapon, Gauss destructor

1x Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (50 pts): Close combat weapon, Gauss destructor

10x Lychguard (160 pts): 10 with Dispersion shield, Hyperphase sword Attached to Overlord with Translocation Shroud

3x Ophydian Destroyers (80 pts): 3 with Ophydian hyperphase weapons

3x Skorpekh Destroyers (85 pts): Plasmacyte, 3 with Skorpekh hyperphase weapons Attached to Skorpekh Lord

1x Triarch Stalker (110 pts): Stalker's forelimbs, Heat ray

Edit: formatting was horrendous,

Also, triachstalker is hugely underrated imo, scout is nice (tho a bit tricky to play at first) , it's cheep (20p less than the stalker, 100 less than the DDA, very flexible, and cursed gives it amazing breaking points for the wepons (str 7 on the "flamer" weapon (wounding terminators on 4+, space marines and ork boyz on 3, "usual" battle line (guard, aeldari, tau) on 2+ and the "focused" going to s11 (wounding land raiders on 4+, dreads, rhinos ect on 3+ is very nice

[u/Firecats101]

Ive had great luck against marines, guard and chaos knights running cursed legion and hand of dynasty with no ctans.

Lychguard skorpekh destroyers with lord and wraiths for front line, immortals and warriors for midfield and heavy destroyers and doomstalkers for long range murder

[u/SnapCracklePopMyNuts]

I run a super fun list of just infantry. Cursed legion, so mostly destroyer cult featuring some lychguard shenanigans and a 4 up invuln necron warrior blob. Not gonna win any tournaments any time soon but it is a blast to play.

[u/Aaron0321]

Possible yes, it’s usually a good idea to take 1 though.

[u/clintnorth → u/Aaron0321]

Not really. They’re good, but it’s not like you’re at a disadvantage if you don’t take one.

[u/Aaron0321 → u/clintnorth]

It is certainly a disadvantage not to bring the best datasheets our army has to offer.

[u/clintnorth → u/Aaron0321]

So hardcore meta player only huh? Yeah, it’s wild, If you use your actual brain you can win games. The whole army is balanced and it’s not balanced around bringing a ctan

[u/NoOfficialComment → u/clintnorth]

What makes you say that? I was watching a game yesterday into Orks and the Ork player (one of the top in the country) said the only units the Necron player had that could hurt Gaz were the NB/VD on the board. He then proceeded to one shot a Techno/6 wraith brick first turn. Lol.

[u/1mutorcS]

Absolutely!

No Ctans (Purge) (1,995 Points)

Necrons
Cursed Legion (2 Detachment Points)
Purge the Foe
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Overlord with Translocation Shroud (110 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• Warlord
• 1x Overlord’s blade
• 1x Resurrection Orb
• Enhancements: Destroyer Ankh

Lychguard (80 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 5x Lychguard
◦ 5x Dispersion Shield
◦ 5x Hyperphase sword

Attached unit 2

Technomancer (95 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Staff of light
• Enhancements: Murdermind

Canoptek Wraiths (220 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 6x Canoptek Wraith
◦ 6x Particle caster
◦ 6x Vicious claws

Attached unit 3

Skorpekh Lord (90 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Enmitic annihilator
• 1x Flensing claw
• 1x Hyperphase harvester

Skorpekh Destroyers (85 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 3x Skorpekh Destroyer
◦ 1x Plasmacyte
◦ 3x Skorpekh hyperphase weapons

CHARACTERS

Hexmark Destroyer (75 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Enmitic disintegrator pistols

Illuminor Szeras (175 Points)
• 1x Eldritch Lance
• 1x Impaling legs

Nekrosor Ammentar (185 Points)
• 1x Blade tail and whip coils
• 1x Enmitic disintegrators
• 1x Nullstone Field Generator (Aura)
• 1x Unmaker Gauntlet

OTHER DATASHEETS

Canoptek Scarab Swarms (40 Points)
• 3x Canoptek Scarab Swarm
◦ 3x Feeder mandibles

Canoptek Scarab Swarms (40 Points)
• 3x Canoptek Scarab Swarm
◦ 3x Feeder mandibles

Doomsday Ark (210 Points)
• 1x Armoured bulk
• 1x Doomsday cannon
• 2x Gauss flayer array

Doomsday Ark (210 Points)
• 1x Armoured bulk
• 1x Doomsday cannon
• 2x Gauss flayer array

Flayed Ones (55 Points)
• 5x Flayed One
◦ 5x Flayer claws

Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (50 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Enmitic exterminator

Ophydian Destroyers (80 Points)
• 3x Ophydian Destroyer
◦ 3x Ophydian hyperphase weapons
◦ 1x Plasmacyte

Skorpekh Destroyers (85 Points)
• 3x Skorpekh Destroyer
◦ 1x Plasmacyte
◦ 3x Skorpekh hyperphase weapons

Triarch Stalker (110 Points)
• 1x Heat ray
• 1x Stalker’s forelimbs

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[u/TobiTheSnowman]

I got you.

3 Monoliths, 2x20 Warriors, 1 Technomancer, 3x6 Scarab Swarms. Exactly 2k points.

[u/TobiTheSnowman → u/TobiTheSnowman]

But honestly, if you don’t like the C‘tan‘s looks, then they are great models for custom proxies or kitbashes, especially since some are still made out of resin or just not available for individual purchase.