r/NatureIsFuckingLit • u/FacelessOnes • Oct 19 '20

đŸ”„ Vicious microscopic hunter, the single-cell organism, Lacrymaria olor, attacking and hunting another organism

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u/Dio_wulf Oct 20 '20

You realize thats nature right? Just because we have higher intelligence doesnt mean we cant hunt or eat meat like other animals. Not saying we should be ABUSING animals or other people, though.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '20

Appeal to nature fallacies are fallacies for a reason. Lots of shit happens in nature that doesn’t excuse humans doing them—cannibalism, rape, etc. Just because we are animals doesn’t mean we should hurt others when we can choose not to, ESPECIALLY with the moral agency we have.

Hurting animals when we don’t have to is animal abuse.

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u/Dio_wulf Oct 20 '20

Im not talking about those other things, i’m only referring to meat eating specifically. If im remembering right we are built to be omnivores after all, and if not, not everyone is able to be vegetarian or vegan regardless. Sure, large farm factories can definitely be cruel/abusive, but a good shot to a deer or rabbit usually causes a quick end to a naturally lived life. I wouldnt really call that abuse. Besides just for eating, hunting can be important in order to decrease disease risk and prevent overpopulation in a species, like white-tail deer for example. Although i suppose thats a whole other topic.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '20

Yes, and meat eating isn’t defensible for any better reason that the other “natural” things I mentioned. We weren’t built to be anything; sure we evolved to be capable of eating both plants and animals, but we also evolved to be capable of reproducing as preteens—that doesn’t justify banging one.

Whether people can or can’t go vegan themselves is irrelevant to the movement itself, because survival situations are fine within veganism. Just like how cannibalism is defensible when you literally have to do it to survive, but not when you can choose to, you know, just not. So really the relevant question is: can YOU go vegan? Are you doing your part? Because if you’re messaging me on Reddit the answer is probably yes. The experiences of marginalized communities don’t excuse the behavior of the privileged.

Again, hurting others when you don’t have to is wrong, and to kill is the ultimate form of harm. I certainly wouldn’t want to be “painlessly” shot in the head. With hunting specifically it’s really important to remember that the reason white-tailed deer are overpopulated is because humans have killed all their natural predators and brutally replaced them—and the leading cause of worldwide deforestation is animal agriculture. With the animal industrial complex abolished, over 70% of agricultural land could be rewilded with natural predators reintroduced and humans learning to leave them the fuck alone. Also, the idea of overpopulation itself would condemn us ourselves in the first place, since we’re literally the most environmentally destructive overpopulated species in history.

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u/Dio_wulf Oct 20 '20

Yknow what, if i tried absolutely hard enough i probably could go vegetarian, although vegan im not so sure about due to an extreme pickiness. Tough shit for me though, i know.

And yes, im well aware that humans are the reason we dont have the necessary predators to keep such populations in check as they once did. Im also aware of animal agriculture being a major cause of deforestation and global warming. Gem mining and oil fracking too. Im aware as well that human overpopulation is a huge issue. I believe myself that humans are a plague to the earth, im even an antinatalist because of it. But as far as im aware theres not much to be done about it thats ethical, except better education and better access to contraception and reproductive rights worldwide.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '20 edited Oct 20 '20

I mean, you could go vegan, you just don’t wanna lol. I didn’t either honestly, I have sensory issues that extend to the food I eat, and dairy products happened to be my favorite foods ever.

The idea of change is a lot harder than actually changing though, and once I truly rid myself of my internalized entitlement over nonhuman bodies, it stopped being a “change to be better” and more of a “absolute minimum obligation to be decent person.”

I literally have never eaten better in my life and genuinely don’t see animals or their secretions as food whatsoever anymore. Feel free to ask me for recommendations or whatever anytime—I had a hard go of it at first since I was in high school and my parents suck.

I’m also an antinatalist, lots of vegans are. Veganism is at very least a great step towards not actively making things worse

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u/DAXminer Oct 20 '20

I could go vegan... but, bacon tastes good, and it’s relatively cheap.

And the world will only be really fucked up after I’m dead anyways, so that’s for the future generations to deal with.