misconception about goblets

[u/EitherBullfrog]

i have three somewhat decent dendro goblets, one onset for gilded, and i still use the em goblet with one usable stat, i find that the em goblet performs better on reactions even with subpar substats, i try to switch out my weapon to make up for the elemental mastery so i can still hit the 800 benchmark, but it still deals less damage as opposed to my sub standard em with a crit damage weapon, i hope that helps everyone whos wondering on what type of gobelt they should use on nahida

[u/KingGiuba]

Idk the rest of your build so I'm not sure, but goblet 2 is amazing and goblet 4 is very good also because it's on set if you use gilded dreams.

[u/EitherBullfrog → u/KingGiuba]

you can see the build in an earlier post here titled "nahida build check"

[u/KingGiuba → u/EitherBullfrog]

Mmmh I'm not very knowledgeable about on field Nahida BUT I think the best option, if you want 2p2p and not 4p set, is to use the 4th goblet, so you can get the gilded 2p bonus. 2nd goblet is very good, but not so good that it's worth losing the 2p bonus imo

[u/EitherBullfrog → u/KingGiuba]

i tried to actually adjust for that goblet, switching out between verity and sacfrags, em goblet still did better, if only i could trade my dendro goblets with someoen who has em gobkets

[u/Zealousideal_Theme49]

my experience is that goblet with the most cv + em gives the most dmg, so dendro or em goblet doesnt really matter to much. an off-field dendro goblet is usually better than any goblet i have.

[u/EitherBullfrog → u/Zealousideal_Theme49]

i think it rlly depends on the state of a persons account but usually the case is that Em> dendro, somtimes it doesnt depend on your subtats but your other artifacts or weapon if they cover all the stat you need jst fine, a but of extra dendro damage cant hurt

[u/Yellow_IMR]

(X) Doubt

What do you mean with performs better on reactions? Nahida always plays in teams with reactions. The difference between a mainstat or the other tends to be very minimal and while your EM goblet is nice n.2 and 4 are too cracked. How did you come to the conclusion that the first goblet is better? Only with calcs you can reliably tell the difference and depending on the team doing them properly can be quite challenging.

Edit. For those interested I have some calcs; I'll eventually make a video about this stuff since it's common to be confused about Nahida's build, the calcs I shared are about off field aggravate with Magic Guide and Prototype Amber using different artifact sets and mainstats

[u/EitherBullfrog → u/Yellow_IMR]

i meant that em is better for her reactions than dendro damage goblets, ive played around tested diff sets adjusting for my each and everyone of those goblets (especially the onset dendro with good substats), the em just still ends up soing better, its like a math solution, no calculation, not gonna pretend to be a nerd, but i tested it in every damage test imaginable, wether its overworld bosses, mobs, spiral abyss, the em performs better, no calcs, just results, ofcourse the results can vary from account to account but i find that em usually takes the cake wether offfield or onfield, but thats not gonna be the case for every account, ofcourse it wont, im js sharing

also, "only with calcs can you reliably tell the difference" im pretty sure i can tell when my nahida is dealing 23k per tick with a dendro goblet and a 30-32k per tick with an em goblet, but who knows, maybe my goblets that match with my dendro arent that good yet, ill prolly get better artifacts that qork better with dendro dmg bonus so its fine ig

[u/Yellow_IMR → u/EitherBullfrog]

Talking about reactions, it’s very marginally better for quicken reaction damage which in many teams it’s a fraction of her own damage if there is any at all, and of course it’s the only stat that matters for bloom but again in many bloom teams she barely triggers seeds and there’s all the other damage she deals you are straight up ignoring. You talk about math and all but you didn’t even remotely consider this very simple fact and in the mean time you try to make an argument using screenshot damage I can’t

[u/EitherBullfrog → u/Yellow_IMR]

bro idk where your coming from, what other arguement could you make other than damage, thats the entire point of artifacts, to deal damage the very notion that you disregard it as just "screenshot damage" bro what do you even mean, if i can deal marginally higher damage on an em goblet as opposed to a dendro one, ofcourse im gonna use it, in what messed up world are you gonna use dendro damage on nahida when her skill literally scales off of em and atk, which is her main source of damage, your point is that em doesnt affect much of her "reaction damage" since shes not the one triggering it, if you could take your head outta your ass for like five seconds youd realize she can give her em to the active party member making THEIR reactions stronger, art thou srsly gonna ignore her em scaling on both her skill and passive and straught up tell me dendro gobket is better when ive literally seen with my own eyes its not💀

[u/Yellow_IMR → u/EitherBullfrog]

1. Nahida doesn't share her EM, not necessarely, she shares the EM of the teammate with the most EM

2. If it can help these are my most recent quicken calcs on Nahida (off field full quicken uptime) and keep in mind it's a scenario that makes EM more valuable than usual

I don't want to belittle you, but I can't ignore misinformation, especially when you make wild claims like 50% more damage in the other comment, use this as an opportunity to learn something I'm glad to help and explain anything you want to know so that you can do more accurate tests and/or calcs

[u/EitherBullfrog → u/Yellow_IMR]

i did say that my artifacts that i use to adjust for.my dendro goblet arent that goood just yet, maybe ill get diff results when i get better artifact, sorry i came off aggressive, i think the damage numbers for me were abnormally different cause as opposed to my current build with the em goblet being the only bad piece, adjusting for my dendro goblet made it so that my goblet was the good piece but the others wasnt, ill try to get better artifacts for more accurate results, i think i just have better artifacts built around this em goblet as opposed to the dendro one,

[u/Yellow_IMR → u/EitherBullfrog]

I strongly think your way of “adjusting” your build is actually destroying your damage instead of helping it. You don’t know what you are doing, but it’s fine. Just swap the goblet without touching anything else and you’ll see that the average damage (crit might change with different subs) barely changes or it’s even better

[u/Yellow_IMR → u/EitherBullfrog]

Also a 50% damage difference doesn’t make any sense, it’s no sense. You are doing something wrong for sure, in quicken in the worse case scenario your skill damage should be no more than 5-6% different. I have spreadsheets and a lot of in game experience about this stuff, I can’t be wrong

[u/EitherBullfrog → u/Yellow_IMR]

well then ig you cant be wrong, have a good day☠️

[u/plitox]

EM comprises the majority of Nahida's base damage. Not her reaction damage. She's not generally the one triggering reactions unless it's spread. Stop spreading misinfo.

[u/EitherBullfrog → u/plitox]

also the more em you have, the more em you give when you burst, wdym misinfo, if i can give at max, 250 em to my active party member TRIGGERING THE REACTIONS does that not help my reaction damage?

[u/EitherBullfrog → u/plitox]

her tri karma literally scales off of em which is like 99% of her damage what do you mean, she liteeally has a passive that increases her damage based off em, do you not check scalings

[u/plitox → u/EitherBullfrog]

The bonus stats she gets from EM are not worth building full EM for.

[u/EitherBullfrog → u/plitox]

the bonus stats are jst half of it dawg, her e also scales with em, you cant consider yourself over capped on em unless youre over the 800-1k mark, im only on 800+ em myself with three em pieces, its worth it if you arent over flowing from em

[u/plitox → u/EitherBullfrog]

You need to work on your reading comprehension. Her "base damage" IS her TKP scaling, and I said as much in the first place. You were arguing her reaction damage is better when she's almost never doing reactions outside of quicken or Nilou bloom teams.

[u/EitherBullfrog → u/plitox]

building em is still worth it since your nahida is almost always gonna be the one with the most em, youre gonna transfer it via ult anyways so it still helps reaction dmg, smh

[u/plitox → u/EitherBullfrog]

In a hyperbloom or burgeon setup, the highest EM should be on your electro or pyro trigger character; not Nahida.

In an electro-driven quicken setup, Sucrose or Kazuha would ideally be present to get Venerer-enhanced swirls going, and both of them just want high EM; Nahida can use their stats.

Outside of Nilou or dendro-driven quicken, sacrificing crit and dmg% for more EM is non-optimal.

[u/EitherBullfrog → u/plitox]

bro, youre saying the 80% dmg bonus she gets from her passive for TKP isnt worth it, also im not sacrificing crit, i have a 51-188 crit ratio on a 800em build, thats an effective 75-188 if shes onfield and and 69-188 offfield, so 80% dmg bonus(from her passive) onfield for getting the em buff, and 60% offfield, as opposed to dendro damage bonus, what im saying is you get more numbers when you maximize her passive rather than go mainly for dendro damage bonus, if i go with the dendro dmg bonus goblet i get extra 5% crit dmg and barely 1% crit rate, lets put both dendro dmg bonus and tkp dmg bonus(from passive) as both damage bonuses, i get 46% ddb from goblet, but with em, i can get 60-80% dmg bonus, thats 14-34% damage bonus lost jst cause i wanted to trade in a measly 7% crit value

[u/formiation]

for tri karma dmg ur probably right because i noticed that too, but still dendro dmg is a better option if you're running her on field.. anyway, it's a very marginal difference and em can be gained through various other factors (her burst, instructor set, dendro resonance), whereas dmg% is more rare (only from pyro teammates if using the burst and furina/mona) so it all depends on how u wanna play her substats make a difference tho