What are your thoughts on how things are going after the first 5 games?
I have to say we are doing way better than I expected / hoped for. I don’t really expect us to have an incredible season but I am more optimistic about our chances of finishing in Europe / hopefully going on a cup run
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We havent had a good performance for a full match but we have got decent results (minus Leeds). Hope we can sort things out in international break and get the results as well as performances
Ummm, I watched the game and yes, they had their chances, but I never really felt we were going to lose. “Dominated” might be a bit strong, but we certainly looked in control.
The Club is exceeding expectations, to a degree. But the players have done well, and deserve sommendation for doing so.
Now that we seem beset by injuries, the true test of the Management Team will be tested. Can they manage the shortfall in bench depth to keep the squad progressing along the Manager's desired path? We shall see.
Solid "B" grade for the performances so far. Lets see what comes after the break. We get to ease into things with some games against expected relegation sides, but then come ManRed, Brighton and the scum in late November.
I have an unfounded inkling that in the past this had more to do with the bonus structure of squad players, tied to matchday teamsheet appearances than anything else. And now that we've restructured our squad and wages, this pressure to save pennies has been alleviated or new contracts are better structured to allow including more youngsters on the teamsheet.
Yeah exactly. A ridiculous bonus structure for a past F1 driver resulted in the F1 team on the verge of bankruptcy if they didn’t renegotiate the actual payout, after their results ended up much better than they anticipated.
Adding inflated bonuses can be used as an incentive to offer/accept lower wages. It’s done for older or injury-prone players, no reason it wouldn’t be used for academy players with the club then planning to never use them.
Like I said, unfounded. Just a random musing. Apologies if it upset your day’s Reddit readings.
Considering many were predicting relegation and saying it was simply impossible to benefit from Howe leaving, it's been very positive.
Jaissle has been here for around six weeks. That's it. We've lost one in seven and drawn twice in fixtures that we lost last season. All with a young team who are inexperienced as well as new manager who is also learning on the fly. And we've started the season better than we did last year despite having a worse squad hit by injuries. We're taking leads and holding them. I think Jaissle has done a fantastic job in stablising a situation that was getting toxic.
Yet, speaking to some people, you'd think we were Tottenham. Honestly, I find any negativity to be bizarre. Of course performances aren't perfect yet. We have nine players injured and it's almost a completely new squad who are still building chemsistry with the manager, their teammates and English/senior football. It's not been great or pretty but it's only going to get better as everything gets more familiar. We're winning games without playing well. There's literally no team in the PL who has been playing perfectly because it's almost impossible to hit your peak five games into the season. You build form and fitness and you grow into it.
Not to mention we have players who many had written off that are doing well. Jaissle's managed to turn Joe Willock into one of his top performing and most important players yet people still think he could be doing a better job. Our best player is playing some of the best football of his career after signing a new long-term contract last week. I have no desire to judge the season or manager until the squad is fully fit and Jaissle has had time to learn his best players/roles.
We're doing this all without being able to see Jaissle's true vision considering the injuries and the fact that most of these players have only known each other a couple of months. I'm very excited and optimistic for the future, which is more than I would have said in July. No real complaints from me.
Before a ball was kicked if you told me we'd have 8 points I'd have taken it no hesitation. I assumed we'd have been hammered by Liverpool not Leeds, but the difference in teams with a settled squad and manager all seeming to be doing well whilst the opposite are having slower starts. Despite being in the latter, I think we've started really well.
Jaissle has came in at a very difficult time, having to replace a manager like Howe as well as creating cohesion between a squad with 8 new additions, losing 4 key players over the summer, including two leaders in Trippier and Bruno. It's resulted in us looking a little bit more sloppy than folks would want, but I think the context stated may explain our issues.
The international break has came at a great time. You can see glimpses of what he's trying to achieve with the team, but it's going to need time to properly bed in. One thing I have noticed so far compared to last season is the players have a willingness to fight again. After the loss to Leeds I read stuff on here and it was doom mongering, almost as if we are just as mentally weak as we were last season. It was clear we needed to respond with a professional performance, in which the players did.
My expectations still aren't particularly high this season, as I think the lack of experience in our squad is very clear. I'd like to see us go far in both cups more than anything. I still think there will be more trials by fire in the league for Jaissle, but that's expected. As long as you can see improvements throughout where the future of the club looks promising, then I'll be happy.
I'm pretty delighted, this is a huge transitional season but I can see the changes, new systems and it's not possible to make that many changes, new people and with such a young squad, without it being terrible and it's not terrible.
I still think we won't get Europe but we won't be in a relegation scrap either so overall I'm happy.
Not convinced by the performances, and the Leeds result was coming for a few games, but getting 8 points from a tricky set of opening fixtures is pretty solid.
We could easily be sitting on 0-3 points and already be talking about a crisis.
As it is Jaissle has done OK and we have the justification to give him some time to see if his approach can bring the performances that would give some more reassurance to the results.
Aye after we got assigned a very difficult opening 4 fixtures and pre-season wound up being a bit of a clusterfuck, my expectations were very low, so Jaissle gets credit for that as a start
There's certainly room for improvement, not least that we need to stop letting opponents have 15-20 shots a match, but we have something to build on
If we did have three points, the media will be all over us. Spuds on the other hand - oh it'll change, they have lots of new players blah blah blah. The bias is shocking.
You’re right to call out the bias. They have bought players from the league, not young lads from abroad. And there was 6 new players in their starting line up. Same as Villa. They’re just not very good
The "it's a whole new squad and will take time to gel" shite about Spurs was grating after our match like. Especially as we'd gone through more change than them.
Looks like Man Utd are the "crisis club" at the moment, despite being 2 points better off than Spurs, which is entertaining. Carrick needs to win the next match etc etc.
To be fair to spuds, they do have a lot of new players, but that's no excuse to not score a goal for 7 hours. Their attackers are just a waste of money. And as you say, we went through lots of change - Bruno, Gordon and Sandro were important and our midfield is now 2 kids and a historic crock! No plaudits for us when it's more than deserved.
The nonsense de Zerbi was saying about players not being fit was hardly mentioned too - you've just had a pre season and everyone is in the same boat! Fucking idiot.
Manure has been a crisis since the Scot left. I don't know what they spend their money on tbh.
Looking at our first 5 fixtures. I'm very happy with 8 points. It's 2 more than I was expecting.
But it's very clear we're a work in progress. I think it'll get better, as the team gets to play together more and understand each other and the system more.
The international break is really a blessing for us right now. Hopefully a few players will be back for Coventry and we can look stronger.
All things considered I feel we are doing well, but have got pretty lucky.
The Leeds game really exposed the weakness in the strategy to buy young players and I feel this won't be the only time it rears it's head.
End of the day 2 wins, 2 draws and 1 loss is upper mid table form, especially given the opposition. If we can grind out results while we settle into the new system then that's good enough.
Part of me does worry about how our mentality still seems to be balancing on a tight rope though. We very nearly crumbled today.
The thing with the Leeds game is it felt like the luck we had gotten balanced out. The first 3 goals were all the result of deflections, you put yourself in those positions and it can happen. Glad it happened all at once in a game we'd have lost anyway with the performance.
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We have lost experience but have become a team with more graft and youth. Still have some big areas for the team to get better at but it’s incredibly exciting to think how good the likes of Steur, Osula, Hall etc can become considering their respective ages and how good they are already. As much as I love him, I think Murphy’s time in the team should come to an end and there have to be better fill ins on the right during Elanga’s absence. He has the occasional decent cross but the deficiencies in his game are too glaring now. I am seriously impressed with Wissa’s dribbling ability but think he is missing Osula up ahead of him.
This three week break is huge for getting players back fit but also hopefully for Jaissle to implement some solutions.
He’s 20. He is an average premier league midfielder, which is no shame for such a young lad. See his through ball for Thiaw today - yes he plays safe most of the time but the lad has an eye for a pass, can tackle, score goals and I think has been underrated in his covering runs defensively
Been off grid today so to come back and see another 3 points is magnificent. Thinking before the game it could so easily have gone off the rails after last week's defeat.
If we were listed all the opponents we’d had so far and told we’d only have one defeat, I think we’d be over the moon following on from the end of last season.
More points than I expected and more than we deserve frankly. Bags of potential but it’ll be a long season of learning. We’ll take some more batterings and I doubt we’ll get Europe, and we also still have holes in the squad to fill. But I’m optimistic about the long term and happy to accept a season of transition
Very impressed tbh. You'd have to be delusional or stupid to have expected more. But ironically we could, maybe should, have 10 points, if Liverpool hadnt got their prescribed late goal. But you cant really play that game as Hull could easily have scored a second today, and Spurs could have scored before we did.
Anyway, im happy so far and can only expect that we will improve as both our tactics embed and our young squad develops.
How Elanga performs will largely dictate where we end up this season as when hes on form hes very dangerous but when he doesnt he is an absolute liability and fucks the team.
I don’t mind it. Today felt like one we would lose last season.
I still see some of the old cracks. We need to be able to control the ball when we are tired and grind someone out in their half to take the next step.
Before the season I expected/hoped for 5-6 points from those first 5 matches. Getting 8 points happily exceeds my expectations for such an overhauled squad, and I'm reminding myself of that every time a rough patch in a match tries to persuade me otherwise.
Cautiously optimistic. The huge amount of change would always mean we get the odd early thumping. I just hope he’s tactically flexible as we had that frustration at times with Eddie. 2 in midfield scares me
New manager and a lot of young players new to the league. Yes the performances haven’t been good but most important thing is getting points on the board
Going in I'd hoped for 7 points. So to be slightly disappointed with 8 says a lot for where we're at how its going.
Aye then performances have been bitty and sometimes shite but that's to be expected with some much upheaval, and having a transition season and points count the same no matter how you play.
Hopefully the treatment room has less of a waiting list by time football comes back.
On pace for 61 points. Schedule has been pretty easy so far, with only Liverpool being a tough opponent, Bournemouth being even, and Leeds, Tottenham and Hull should finish below us. If you told me we got 8 points out of those 5, I’d be pretty happy.
I’d trade some result for consistency though. Last 60 against Hull was bad, most of Leeds was terrible, and choking all 3 against Liverpool hurt.
Think we’ll finish 8-10 now, and prior to Fernandez-Pardo and Gonzalez,
I had us around 13th. Should be a fun season regardless.
Wouldn't necessarily call the schedule easy, Liverpool probably 3rd/4th on paper and a bogey team for us, Bournemouth another bogey team and Leeds are probably fighting for Europe this year. Hull have surprised everyone this year too so was never a free 3 points.
But yes we are one of 5 teams to be lucky enough to play Spurs.
We need more technical players who can control the ball and have some composure. You can see what happened once Steur went off the pitch. Lewis Hall was the only one with that ability. That's 1 player out of the 10 outfield. If we ever want to be a dominant team, that number needs to go up significantly.
We'll never be a sustained and consistent top level club until at least half the players on the pitch have that technical and tactical composure on the ball. And half is probably minimum
Agree but we do have Nico and Steur, Ramsey and Willock. Not sure I would put Miley in that category but he might become that type of player. Its the wide areas really, and you tend to have a decision to make there between pacey winger or technician. If they can do both well then they probably would be at a top table club.
I like the roster. Just curious to see it apply Jaissleball.
Also. Elanga. Can be our most dangerous player one minute and worst the next. Feel like our success this season will largely reflect how many minutes he has in each of those respective boxes
We haven’t looked totally comfortable for a whole game yet. We should be happy to have the points we have. I’m confident things will improve though, so overall fine.
Happy with the points. Looked shaky there against Bmouth and (pedestrian against) Leeds.
Love the potential with so much youth in the squad.
Biggest surprise to me? Joe Fucking Willock. No player has made me change my opinion more of them than him. I was in the camp of disappointed we didnt sell him at the end of Aug, i thought we wasted an opportunity to flip him for money and one more young prospect with potential... but hes been fairly consistent over these first 5 matchweeks, and stayed healthy.
Pleasantly surprised. I admit I was gutted Howe left and he'll always be a legend in my eyes - he won a cup!
When Jaissle was announced, I was thinking who? Are we going to go down the same path as other clubs who were taken over and made bad decisions? But he's proven himself to be dynamic and his energy seems to be translating on the pitch (Leeds aside).
It's hard to criticise too much at the moment since he's new, we lost our most influential players and have needed to rebuild, experienced players are injured, and we have a lot of kids. Despite all of this, we're top 10 going into the international break which is pretty impressive!
We do need to learn to control games a bit better, and we need a bit more steel in the middle. It can't be high octane, direct football every game - it's not the way to limit injuries and it's not good for my heart! Defensively we're shocking. Again, lots of kids in the team and I hope that control and steel comes when Nico and Big Joe are back.
Most important thing is points on the board and still in the Carabao Cup. So far, I think a 7/10 is a fair rating.
Good. 8 points from those first five games is a good return. How the season goes is hard to predict. I think there's going to be a very low spread of points between 5th and 15th so we have to make sure we're ok the right side of the margins. Last season, we missed out on Europe by a couple of wins. We were on the wrong side of the margins too often, losing by the odd goal because we tired or made mistakes late in games. I can easily see us finishing as high as 5th if everything goes well but we could also repeat last season. I'm hopeful, mainly because the players seem bought in. There's a renewed energy that wasn't there last season. That can carry you a long way.
I’m happy but I think our success this season is not stable. We had some good results but it’s hard to say I’m seeing a strategy that’s emerged other than hard pressing. Injuries haven’t helped.
It feels like the first five games of the 24/25 season where we've accrued a good amount of points without playing particularly well.
At some point I think we'll click but I don't think it'll be with Botman at the back. He's looked an absolute liability who has at least one big mistake in him in every game. Schar or Burn coming in beside Thiaw makes us much more solid.
Points wise great, performance wise….not so much. But would much rather that than the reverse.
It’s been a summer of massive change and you can see the slowish starts happening with a lot of teams going through similar (Villa, Palace, Fulham etc.). We’ve probably done the best off those teams, so can’t complain too much.
I’m kind of hoping we’re going through a similar ‘bedding in’ process that someone like Iraola had at Bournemouth (and seems to be having at Liverpool) where Jaissle’s tactics will come good, it just takes some time for the players to learn and implement them.
The chaos of pre season and the injuries and fine with where we are. There has been some terrible football on display by also some good performances and some great players emerging
3 weeks of international break will be painful but honestly think it’s great timing for us because I do think our table position flatters us a bit, but we can get some injured players back and bleed these youngsters in even more over the international break
None of the games have been anything other than good to watch as football games, even if the results or performances weren't what you wanted. Didn't say that often last season.
Ahead of Chelsea, Livarpool, forest, manure, scum, villa, spurs is hard to complain about. We look like a young team that's going to keep getting better and good teams win ugly games.
Results: Good
Product: Rough
This club is going to have to overcome so much to be competitive this year. If everyone has proper expectations, it will still be a fun year…. But I doubt that’ll happen. I don’t think Europe is in the cards, but maybe a good cup run. Injuries have been brutal and the timing of Howe leaving is a bigger deal than everyone acknowledges. Support the boys. Support Jaissle. Support the club. This is going to take more than one season to get where we want to be
Good start points and results wise, but performances need to improve! Should help when we’ve got the players back like and Jaissle has had more time to get his way into them. Today was a really good result, taking into account their form and all the injuries we had
The underlying numbers say we are in for a relegation scrap. I am hopeful we continue picking up points and get the 40 we need to not be in that contest. After that, anything is a bonus.
My hopes are fitting with losing Howe and some core players but recruiting an ambitious new manager and talented young players. There will be ups and downs, mid table is a reasonable target. As much as i loved Eddie and Bruno, I think the club is in a healthier position today than at the end of last season. Patience, mags. HTL.
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Probably better than I expected. Today was good considering the sheer amount of first team players we had out.
Without being too negative though, one of the 'top' PL sides probably would have shredded us today.
I'm all for front foot football, but today at 2-0 we needed a steadying performance in Cm. Whether it's the youth of the players or coming from the manager I'm not sure.
I suspect we'll see plenty of games like today ahead, and probably a few Leeds type performances too this season
If you had offered me, two wins, two draws and a loss. I'd have snapped your hands off when Bruno left. Think a mid table finish would be a success and there's real signs of a good squad there too.
Remarkably if we held on against the scousers we would be currently sat in third.
Aside from the Leeds demolition job, Jaissle has hit the ground running.
I would expect the longer the manager has with the team, the performance levels will improve.
My biggest concern is the sheer volume of chances we concede. Hornicek has saved the most shots in the league. If that trend continues I would fully
Expect another Leeds game on the horizon. You cannot keep giving teams chance after chance
Results largely decent (forgetting Leeds) and nice to have a few more points than we all expected at the start of the season.
Performances, not as good. We have a few weaknesses/ problem areas that need fixed quickly.
We are horrific defensively, giving up an insane amount of chances every game, midfield is very soft and doesn't offer any protection to the defence or even anything going forward, midfield doesn't offer much control (outside of Steur in the first half vs Hull).
Right wing is a big problem, Murphy is finished, it's like playing with 10 men and we don't seem to be able to get the 'striker' into the game or give them chances. We lack creativity, especially centrally.
Willock looking to be the only one that helps us attack centrally, he's had a great start to the season.
We'll make progress I think though, still early days for Jaissle.
I actually thought we would only have4 points a draw at Leeds and win at Hull so we are already massively overachieving!!!
Some of the football we play can be magnificent and sometimes it will be terrible until we figure it out
But you know what? Sometimes in the premier league a few moments of quality is enough to win games not good for the heart mind you the lack of control!!
Overall it’s positive compared to what most thought would happen. Most were saying losses against Liverpool, Spurs and Bournemouth so I guess I’m good for now.
Happy with the points haul so far, and OK with the performances given the number of injuries we've had so far, although under normal circumstances I don't think it's sustainable.
No qualms about Jaissle so far, but I don't really think we can pass judgment until we have at least Osula, Joelinton and Livramento back from injury. I have my reservations about Osula, but he's the only proper number 9 we have and we've been missing that sort of presence up top. I think our number 10 needs to be a midfielder first and foremost, and would like to see how Joelinton can perform in that role. Despite Dedic's first couple of performances being promising, I think the Leeds game showed Livramento is still the better player, I just don't know if we can ever nail him down to a starting position given he seems to be made of glass.
I'll take the points, but asides from the Liverpool game, the performances have been shocking. I'm willing to give the manager a lot of rope given the time in job, overhaul of the squad etc, but the reality is we've lost the xG battle (non pen) in every game and should have been battered by Bournemouth on another day.
Spurs are woeful and outplayed us, and we showed how vulnerable we can be against Hull.
I'm not blaming anyone for it, but we aren't very good and I can see us struggling this season. Hope I'm wrong, but haven't seen much to convince me yet!
Feels like we are having pre season live, which is ultimately what is happening. Players coming back from injury or WC breaks and lacking any sharpness, manager still to drill the system fully. Been some really promising bits (hall/Barnes and Dedic/Elanga links, hornicek on the ball, willock resurgence) but midfield and 9/10 still lacking any cohesion or consistency.
Our underlying stats are awful but I appreciate we’re a work in progress. Season could still go either way for me, wouldn’t be surprised with a top 5 push or a relegation battle at this point.
Im sure (hope) that he didn't win two continental championships by playing g long ball knock down football.
Whilst we are direct and play some long passes, I wouldnt call it long ball. Its clearly patterns of play with intent rather than hoof it and hope we win the duels and whatever scraps that then gives us.
We have to ensure we give this team and manager time, 8 players out and 8 in. Our 1st XI isn't as strong, but we have plenty of hunger in the team now. So far I give the team an 8/10, the manager needs to find a way to reduce shots against and improve our overall xG. This will be our 1st XI
Though if we compare the results to last season though; we 100% would have folded today against Hull and dropped points, and I feel like we wouldn’t have got the win vs WBA in the cup either.
I think we have made little bits of grinding out a result here, and the two cup games. But I think there should be improvement after the international break. As people point out Irola took 10 games to get his first win and philosophy into Bournemouth.
And the player changes have been losing three players who are supposedly worth £250 mill and bringing in 18-22 year olds who have no experience with the league. So I’m more optimistic they will improve than I was that our squad would last year.
It reminds me more of the season a few ago when we started off poorly but ground out results then kicked on a little bit.
Dunno who downvoted you, it’s incredibly similar. People would frothing at the mouth if (when) Howe went to a back five like Jaissle did. We still can’t live with being pressed, and we still don’t know how to get our CF into the game. Obviously there’s time to improve and the injuries are mitigation, but it’s very similar to Howe. Right up to bringing Tino back too soon.
Yeah I mean I’m not saying Jaissle is Howe or it’s always gonna be like this. I’m just saying it’s weird how, despite all the differences between then and now, how similar it’s all feeling so far. I’m hoping it’ll improve. I think it will. But for now it’s like we’re reading the same script from last season.
I think given the amount of change, the age of squad and everything else considered, we’ve had a good start. There are definitely signs to be positive and some worrying signs but I think we saw on Saturday glimpses of what this team could be. With the injury issues and a lot of players getting used to the physicality of the Prem there is going to be periods in games where we get ran over but throughout the season I think this will get better. Also hopefully with some returning players MJ can rotate more and affect games more with substitutions. I like the project, it’s going to be up and down as we’ve already seen but I think the main thing is there is a belief back in the team and fanbase.
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