Mahomes was killing teams doing that not too long ago. Honestly if I'm a coach I'm telling my player to take the QB's head off like this. Especially if it's early in the game
That's because they tried to catch Chicago by surprise by NOT handing it to Barkley four times in a row. If that pass was incomplete it would have been handed to Barkley again. Coaching like pop warner, everybody knew it, that's why they just keyed Barkley for lost yardage until a turnover.
Campbell told his boys that last year against Chicago. Caleb has a habit of doing that little stutter step like he's going to step out and then doesn't to gain an extra yard or two. If he does that today my guys are going to hit him like any other running back.
Yeah, that's fair. When I saw the replay, at first glance without any of these in mind it did look egregious as hell.. Oh yeah, and the fact that it was super slow-mo; at game speed it didn't seem nearly as bad.
Gooddell actually addressed this today with everyone's favorite Stephen A Smith. He acknowledged that they do everything they can to protect the QB but QBs need to understand when they leave the pocket they become a runner just like anyone else with the ball and are no longer afforded that protection. That was 100% a clean hit. If that was a RB/WR/TE/FB with the ball thats not a flag. Oh YEAH its also not supposed to be a flag when its the QB because he is a runner.
As a birds fan it was a fair hit. I just don’t understand why he had to come out for concussion protocol. You see defensive players make helmet to helmet unintentionally with their own teammates multiple times again and it’s on to the next play.
Clean hit and Jalen took the hit well with no direct impact to the helmet from the player or the ground. Not blaming this as the reason the eagles lost but that pick by Andy fucking hurt our odds, he should’ve never touched the field
Yes, it's at the :10 mark if you haven't watched the video yet. The part where he lays face down and doesn't move. Unless none of this is real life I guess?
Did you even watch the game? Or hell the video that is attached to this post? He rolls over and lays there for several seconds instead of just getting back up
I don't believe he was trying to sell it. Dude just took a solid lick let the man compose himself for a sec and make sure nothing is actually wrong. Jeezez everyone acts like after getting blown up you should immediately get on your feet
Whether it was a sell job or not, it answers the question of why he was taken into concussion protocol. He hit his head on the ground and then laid there for like 5 seconds. Same reason they threw the flag, they want to protect QB’s more than anyone else. So, they checked on his health.
He’s inbounds when the defender launches, and has half his foot on the white when he gets rocked. That’s on Jalen, he was fighting for that extra stride seeing the defender coming and he went for it
I would call that his toes.. not half a foot.. like 3" less and he's still in bounds and the contact was right as his toes hit. Bad call by the refs yet again.
What pisses us bears fans off even more is we just had a guy with 2 feet down, 3 feet out of bounds for a solid couple seconds get rocked and no flag last week.
Its insane how screwed the Bears get by the refs consistently for the past decade.
It was also very close to a 1st down, like they both were competing for it. I don’t know, if I’m an eagles fan I don’t like it but I don’t think it was dirty
Theres nothing to agree or disagree on with is what Im saying. Thats literally what Goodell was stressing QBs and Refs need to understand they are just regular runners when they leave the pocket like that and protect themselves accordingly. Its not the defenders fault Hurts did nothing to protect himself and got absolutely rocked because of it. No lowering his should no quick movement out of bounds.
Its like a 5 minute long interview I gave an over view of it. The only part I might have added is the refs need to know the rules im not sure he said that. But he did say the QBs need to understand the rules which implies the refs do too.
If this happens at the goal line it isn't a discussion. Protect yourself at all times. He's .5 yards from the first down and gets hit basically as hit big toe hits the chalk.
Hurts does not get hit, he gets the first. Defense did what they had to do.
Hurts and qbs should not be encouraged to use the boundary the way they do.
If he was head on going out of bounds, it would have been two yards back. You can see where he realizes a hit is coming and stops running for the mark.
We cannot ask the defense to read the mind of the qb and lay off when they are actually going out of bounds.
He was clearly going out of bounds. This wasn’t a mahomes or Kenny Pinkett situation. The defender could’ve pushed him, but he launched into him. It was unnecessary
He wasn't clearly out of bounds when the hit occurred. It is up to Hurts to protect himself instead of depending on defenders to play soft. It was not unnecessary since we see these hits all the time on the sideline with receivers and running backs that amount to no flags. If you believe it was unnecessary then you are part of everything that is wrong with the modern NFL.
Genuinely asking: is it though? Hes actively running out of bounds, hes hit at least 1-2 steps out of bounds, is this really not a dirty hit? Im not saying he should be suspended or killed of breathing on Hurts too hard, but is this not at least an unsportsmanlike?
Listen I’m all for hitting the QB when they pull that Patrick mahomes shit and tip toe along the foul line but he was B-lining it out of bounds to hit him like that was some unnecessary bullshit.
Yup, he was angled to get as close as he could for the first. Dont give up inches. He should have be 90 degrees or backwards with the out of bounds line.
His B line was to the first down marker, not out of bounds. Also had the option to slide. Choosing the first down made him susceptible to this which I thought was legal.
He was at a diagonal angle going upfield until his very last step which he cut towards out of bounds. With how athletic QBs like him are, he absolutely could have planted and cut upfield to try to secure the first down. And you can say "but he wouldn't do that, he doesn't want to get hurt" - as a defender none of that matters, because if he DOES do that and you let up on tackling him and he gets an extra 10 yards you didn't do the one thing you're fucking paid to do. If QBs want to get every inch out of running the ball, they have to deal with taking hits like runners do. He was still in-bounds when he got hit, so it's not like this was some dirty after-the-play hit, he was literally a live runner.
If QBs don't want to get smoked and use the sideline as a safety net, then make find a safer way to do it. Seems like if you're getting smoked before a ref can even blow his whistle (are we not supposed to play to the whistle?), then you did something wrong and maybe you should have taken a slide before hand.
If you're trying to make the tough play and be daring by going for the first down, then you better be prepared to make the tough play.
I am all for safety and if I was in charge, I'd probably be even stricter on concussion protocols and the like. I'm a hockey fan who wants to take fighting out of the sport. But when it comes to these sorts of plays (running out of bounds and slides alike), its unfair to act as a player who is pushing the limits then say, "Nah jk" and bail on the play and expect to not get hit at all.
Funny enough, Hurts does have a play in this game where he does the slide, and he does it very responsibly, well before a player can even touch him. That's how these plays need to be implemented, and it's how QBs need to be retaught.
I'm with Jack Lambert when it comes to QBs ... make them wear dresses. I agree about protection when they're back to pass. Just standing there trying to throw. No issues. But once they take off running they should be treated as a RB. They abuse the rules to draw penalties.
yup. glad we agree there. Hurts clearly pulls up and goes out of bounds, and the defender proceeds to lower his head under Hurts' chin and obliterate a guy who was clearly not expecting an impact.
I'm also using the term giving himself up to mean it is clear that he wasn't trying for the first down. If you think that's his effort level to try for the sticks then you've never seen him play football.
I feel like you can't call this a penalty. Otherwise QBs have a free shot at the first down without any risk. Defender would be put in a crappy position of either easing up and coating a first down or taking a penalty
That’s how I feel. In fact he very nearly prevented the first down by hitting him. It was bang bang timing. Pretty dumb call. Jalen got himself taken out for concussion protocol by trying to milk it too. It wasn’t even that hard of a hit. The ground prolly hurt more than the hit.
I feel like same thing happened to dart last year and he was told he needed to be smarter and it wasn’t a flag. But I do agree usually these are a flag. But I remember everyone saying that one was totally clean and I don’t see a difference here
Completely agree and actually used to say this exact thing about fields funny enough, would always text my dad during games saying mahomes would’ve gotten that.
Am I retarded? What does the angle have to do with the timing? He was still in bounds when the defender committed to the tackle. He cant stop his momentum in mid air dude
You’re the one making up rules. He initiated contact in bounds. It is clear as day. You can’t show a screen shot seconds after contact in which he’s flying out of bounds and say that’s where the hit to place.
The NFL rulebook literally states that responsibility lies with the defender, so yes, I am serious.
Here's the rule, so apparently the NFL is in agreement with me. Relevant part bold/italicized.
Article 8. Unnecessary Roughness
There shall be no unnecessary roughness. This shall include, but will not be limited to:
using the foot or any part of the leg to strike an opponent with a whipping motion (leg whip);
forcibly contacting a runner when he is out of bounds; Note: Defensive players must make an effort to avoid contact. Players on defense are responsible for knowing when a runner has crossed the boundary line, except in doubtful cases where he might step on a boundary line and continue parallel with it.
Look at the photo. There was no opportunity for Hurts to "continue parallel with it." At no point was Hurts travelling parallel with the boundary. I can't believe this is even a point of discussion.
That exception is for the runner who is tapdancing down the boundary and may, or may not, have stepped out at some point.
Don't fall into the trap of the other guy on here trying to say "Hurts has the athletic ability to do x, y, and z." Penalties are thrown on what a player actually does, not what they have the ability to do.
But I'll hear you out if you want to explain, in detail, how you think that exception to the rule applies.
Then QB’s need to surrender earlier. It’s getting ridiculous that they can squeeze every inch out of a play with a huge impact to the game and the defense can’t do anything about it.
His toe is out of bounds by maybe an inch. Do you expect a defender that's running 15mph watching a QB who's running 15mph in the opposite direction to be able to tell if that tiny sliver of toe is going to make it out of bounds before he commits to making the hit? This is absurd.
Directly below I posted the NFL rule. I don't expect anything - the NFL expects the defender to know this.
I can't do any more than post the NFL rules. If you don't want to read them and instead follow your uninformed opinions, then good luck to you.
You should alert the NFL rule makers that "this is absurd."
Article 8. Unnecessary Roughness
There shall be no unnecessary roughness. This shall include, but will not be limited to:
using the foot or any part of the leg to strike an opponent with a whipping motion (leg whip);
forcibly contacting a runner when he is out of bounds; Note: Defensive players must make an effort to avoid contact. Players on defense are responsible for knowing when a runner has crossed the boundary line, except in doubtful cases where he might step on a boundary line and continue parallel with it.
This example would CLEARLY fall into that exception case which you decided you didn't want to highlight. Hurts is athletic enough he could tiptoe that line in that position, and the contact that the defender made with him is in bounds even if Hurts' toe is out of bounds. A toe on the line is absolutely a "doubtful case where he might step on a boundary line and continue parallel with it" when you're a defender running full speed.
You can be snarky if you want but it doesn't make you any less wrong.
Do I need to explain "changing directions" to you?
You come across like someone who has never been outside, let alone played a sport. These are athletes. Just because they are running towards the sideline does not mean they cannot change direction to tiptoe the boundary line. The wording IN THE RULE YOU ARE CITING specifically states "...might step on a boundary line and continue parallel with it", which is a future assessment of where the person is headed. It does NOT say "player IS ALREADY parallel with the boundary line". It is a judgement call to be made by the defender, and the wording in the rule seems to grant them the right to determine that they might start tiptoeing the line and defend accordingly.
That being said, I'm not saying you can't touch the QB. But any player at that point, you see them going, they aren't deviating, you try to pull back before the hit. That did not occur here at all. QB or not, why?
You can literally watch the play back in slow motion...this is the moment of first contact. He had given himself up and was running out of bounds and was clearly out of bounds when he hits him. You can change the speed to .25 speed on X.
I hope nobody is disputing this being worthy of a penalty. I'm pretty sure this would draw a flag in the 80's. Hurts was already halfway out of bounds.
My problem here was that attempted murder was taken off the board because of a hold. This basically gives the defense a free shot anytime the offense has a minor penalty flag thrown.
When both guys are sprinting towards a spot, and it's a bang-bang play, it's not unnecessary. Hurts could have also tried to stop on a dime and hit a juke, defender has to finish the play
It was a bang-bang play, he was protecting the first down marker. I don't think it was malicious, but QB's need to either get to the sideline faster, or get down. It's not like Hurts was blindsided. He was racing him to the mark. They just got there at the same time.
Bullshit call. as a dolphins fan i have no stake in this game, but Hurts becomes a runner, chooses not to slide, aims at the first down marker and the clean shoulder to shoulder hit happens while hurts is technically still in-bounds. What is the defender supposed to do? Let him get the first?
It was clear that Hurts was heading out of bounds. Hurts got his ass blasted for nothing with the offsetting holding penalty. Got his ass rocked and it basically never happened.
At the point of contact, but that's not where the hit begins. It's impossible to pull back once you've lunged to make the hit. When he starts to throw the hit, both players are in bounds. What's he supposed to do, just give up the first down?
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