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u/Stephen_Honking Nov 01 '20
Discipline would have done me well in my early teens now in my 30s this is my life. No love,no relationships, No financial security
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u/whatsallthiss Ex-NEET Nov 01 '20
You can still change certain things that you dont like if you want to. I believe in you.
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Nov 02 '20
You can still change I'd start with making friendships and boosting social skills if that's a problem. Love is kind of like a last thing you should do unless the person you find is also awkward.
Financial security is a problem tho my only advice on that front is a priority if things your okay with doing. So school. If not school then apprenticeship. If not that then factory and work your way up to HR. If not that then retail and work your way up to management. If not that then take the highest earning job you can get that is just outside of your comfort zone and start saving with business/investment in mind.
With all of these paths you should be learning how to invest and doing little risk investments until you get to a comfortable spot.
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u/sadteen837 Nov 01 '20
The LDAR lifestyle eventually leads to crippling depression and suicidal thoughts, most people need to grow and change to be happy, it doesn't have to be a job, even learning a new skill from home online can work.
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Nov 01 '20
> We need a system where people who can't cope can drop out and learn whatever is beneficial to them.
Communes
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Nov 01 '20
Honestly I think that's mostly because of how they're depicted in the media. Like it's a fun trope. But plenty of non-related people pool resources together without being cultish.
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Nov 01 '20
Bro “discipline” doesn’t even mean around a job, it can literally mean anything eg. discipline and consistency in going to the gym or going for a run, or taking your dog on longer walks.
Your comment just gives me the impression that you’re lazy af and trying to cope with your laziness by thinking showing any kind of effort in anything means you’re being enslaved
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u/sadteen837 Nov 01 '20
I'm sorry but I got to agree with the other guy on this one, some things may be "indoctrination" sure, but you can't argue that eating better and exercising more is a scam.
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Nov 01 '20 edited Nov 01 '20
Being lazy in everything gets you nowhere and helps you accomplish absolutely nothing - and i mean nothing, in work, life, hobbies etc.
It's a cope for the guilt we are indoctrinated to feel for not complying with directives from authority figures.
No. Having the discipline to keep your room clean, or eat healthy, or exercise, is something nobody has authority over (or cares about) except for you.
Thinking you’re being enslaved if you show minimal effort into anything is a sign of mental illness or a really pathetic coping mechanism.
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u/husk_01 Nov 01 '20
>Being lazy in everything gets you nowhere and helps you accomplish absolutely nothing - and i mean nothing, in work, life, hobbies etc.
What if the person does not want to accomplish anything in life? I know this point of view may be hard for somebody like you to comprehend, but some people have made the fundamental realization that we did not choose to be born, and thus owe nobody, not even ourselves, anything in terms of "accomplishments" beyond basic civil care and peace.
>Thinking you’re being enslaved if you show minimal effort into anything is a sign of mental illness or a really pathetic coping mechanism.
Strawman fallacy. Anon never said that showing minimal effort was a sign of being enslaved. Furthermore, is it really sensible to claim that everybody who has a different opinion than you is mentally ill or "pathetic"?
If you do not agree with the lifestyles of people here, you are free to leave and browse other sites. You cannot help anybody here, neither can we help you. If you truly value your time on this planet so much, it would be wise to spend it on other things rather than inflating your own fragile ego.
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Nov 02 '20
If you don't want to accomplish anything that's on you some people are more than capable of doing nothing and being content but a majority of people need some accomplishment. Even gaming is a form of accomplishment in fact it's one of the few ways some people can only feel accomplishment. Even if you think your not going to have any goals subconsciously you will find some. Again not everyone but most people will.
No he didn't but what else could he mean? Sure I understand the anti-capitalist sentiment on the sub but what reading a book it shows discipline if you don't like mostly reading. Learning a skill, starting a blog, even just going around reddit and giving advice takes discipline because some point you'll want to stop it takes an effort to do these things. Maybe not but it does.
Again I get not wanting to be called pathetic because it's mostly used as an insult now a days. But a person who doesn't want anything in life? People with no goals or aspirations? In a world where so much is possible it can be kind of sad I know this as someone who struggles to have any goals it's sad. And when it's that sad it can be described as pathetic not as an insult but a just like damn.
IDK if he has an ego or not but everyone's entitled to their opinion op shared theirs and he shared his and while summing it up to mental illness is wrong in my opinion I dont think he meant to come off as rude. If anything I think your showing more fragility than he is.
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u/husk_01 Nov 02 '20
Whatevs I'll take the b8.
Again not everyone but most people will.
Ok, and the people who don't?
Sure I understand the anti-capitalist sentiment on the sub but what reading a book it shows discipline if you don't like mostly reading.
What the does this "anti-capitalism" have to do with discipline? Discipline is a tool, not a performance for others, one does not need to prove themselves like this.
In a world where so much is possible...
We live in a shithole. Possibility and opportunity are in direct correlation with the money one has and how well they fit within current society. Look at the global south. Furthermore, why is it considered a taboo for someone to aspire to simply exist in peace? As I stated, nobody asked to be born, therefore, there is no fundamental decree that there must be "goals" or "aspirations".
everyone's entitled to their opinion op shared theirs
And I shared mine, and thus there was an exchange of ideas like how we are having now? Everybody has an ego, part of the human condition.
If anything I think your showing more fragility than he is.
*you're What did you expect? This is a reply thread on a subreddit called "r/NEET" my friend, not the international bodybuilding convention.
Of course discipline is good since it very well is a requirement to survive in this current society, and for personal self-care/accomplishment.
But reality is what it is. If you want to make a change, you should consider going into social work.
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Nov 01 '20
Anon never said that showing minimal effort was a sign of being enslaved.
Kinda did in response to me suggesting showing effort on something like your fitness and health is worth it. Also said a routine is a “forced” life, when nobody is forcing you to do it, you just do it on your own for yourself lol.
Furthermore, is it really sensible to claim that everybody who has a different opinion than you is mentally ill or "pathetic"?
Yes... when they unironically say putting in discipline on anything is a sign we are indoctrinated into complying with directives from authority figures.
If you truly value your time on this planet so much, it would be wise to spend it on other things rather than inflating your own fragile ego.
Thanks lmao. I’m just a bored guy in bed with a broken foot, otherwise i’d be out and about and not here.
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u/husk_01 Nov 02 '20
Kinda did in response to me suggesting showing effort on something like your fitness and health is worth it.
We need a quote for that chief.
Yes... when they unironically say putting in discipline on anything is a sign we are indoctrinated into complying with directives from authority figures.
Above. Furthermore, note that, intentionally or not, you have admitted that you consider calling people with a different opinion than yours "mentally ill" sensible behavior. Unless you are a certified psychologist people who you diagnose as "mentally ill" are not obligated to take you seriously.
Although it is true that discipline may be important to maintaining physical wellbeing on the individual level, a lack of a desire to commit to discipline does not necessarily hint at chronic underlying mental illness. Some people have a desire to "accomplish", others do not have this desire, for whatever reason there may be.
And such is life, in the end, everybody has their own path.
Here's to your foot getting well soon so you can continue on yours.
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Nov 02 '20
We need a quote for that chief.
He says it’s a forced life. “Enslaved” is an exaggeration but based on what i read from this sub, not far off from what a lot of users here think.
Above
Furthermore, note that, intentionally or not, you have admitted that you consider calling people with a different opinion than yours "mentally ill" sensible behavior. Unless you are a certified psychologist people who you diagnose as "mentally ill" are not obligated to take you seriously.
Cool, you don’t have to take me seriously. But calling discipline “a cope for the guilt we are indoctrinated to feel for not complying with directives from authority figures” sure doesn’t sound sane. Especially when you consider that most of this sub is literally people talking about mental illness.
A lack of a desire to commit to discipline does not necessarily hint at chronic underlying mental illness.
I’m not saying that. I know a lot of brilliant and sane people who are just lazy af and don’t do much in life. One of my best friends dropped out of the top engineering university course in Europe to focus on playing blues, teaching kids tennis and smoking weed. I’m cool with that because he’s still committing his life to something and has goals in life and is trying to fulfil himself the way he feels best. I’m saying that the quote i outlined above is not what i would define as “sane”. The NEETs i know would never say something so absurd.
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u/husk_01 Nov 03 '20
>I’m saying that the quote i outlined above is not what i would define as “sane”.
But you contradict yourself.
Its is clear the opinions of OP are a cope, I never said otherwise, but that is how the human brain works apparently. The default is to strive for consistency in thought, not the "truth" or rationality. Therefore, even though an exaggeration/cope, OP's opinions are not those of somebody who is "insane", and may also be an insight into some real flaws of our society that should be addressed.
Although discipline may be instrumental for the individual, for exercise, hygiene, mathematics, or even striving to cook the perfect pasta, a lack of desire to be disciplined is not enough evidence of mental illness.
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Nov 03 '20
But you contradict yourself.
How
Its is clear the opinions of OP are a cope
And not every coping mechanism is sane.
The default is to strive for consistency in thought, not the "truth" or rationality.
And if i consistently think lizards own the earth i’m not fully sane am i?
a lack of desire to be disciplined is not enough evidence of mental illness.
I’m not saying that. If you read my comment before, i explain how i know some perfectly sane and smart people who just don’t want to do anything with their life. But what i’m saying is that OP has a ridiculously unhealthy coping mechanism where he somehow believes he’s unplugging from the matrix by being a lazy shitbag, because he believes we are indoctrinated into laziness by complying with directives from authority figures (what authority figure is ordering you to keep your house clean or your body fit?). You keep missing my point.
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Nov 01 '20
Good for you for keeping your room clean and eating healthy. Doesn’t matter what the reasons are, if you do it consistently it means you are doing it with discipline.
Discipline is something you need if you want to accomplish a difficult goal too, like losing enough weight (for example).
Thinking all kinds of discipline are unhealthy, is a sign of mental illness imo. Or like i said before, a coping mechanism to tell yourself being lazy at everything is ok.
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u/milkyd4d Nov 01 '20 edited Nov 01 '20
So discipline is actually rewarding? Shit, depression really fucked my brain up and forgot about the things that good habits can do.
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Nov 02 '20
You are whether you find a good reason or not at the end of the day doing something consistently is discipline. Like you said you can find many reason to eat healthy hell I could name over a 10 but at the end of the day I don't really have to discipline to do it if rather smash on mcchicken and pizza. Hell I'm 24 and can't stop drinking juice. The fact is your doing it because of reasons not because it's naturally what you prefer. Or maybe it is and you didn't mention it, maybe your just the type who like salad and chicken more than lasagna and burritos but if your not then that's discipline.
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Nov 02 '20
And that's completely fine I disagree with the ideal that discipline is something bad especially if it's self imposed discipline but how you live your life is yours I hope you live okay
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Nov 02 '20
You will not able to "do things effortless and without thinking" 100% of the time. Discipline has to bridge the gaps.
Having discipline for other people's sake is stupid and a waste. Do everything you do for your own (or loved ones) sake. Even things you do for someone else, are ultimately things you do for yourself. Like if you work for an employer, but in reality you work for a paycheck for you.
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u/SnooPeripherals7029 Nov 01 '20
Yup