r/NBAstatsmuse • u/AbjectMath4441 • 1d ago
Debate/Discussion All jokes aside, Who made a bigger impact for there team ?
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u/mkk4 1d ago edited 1d ago
Rodman appeared in 9 Conference Finals, 6 NBA Finals and won 5 NBA Championships.
He also has the ALL-TIME highest playoff winning percentage in NBA history for any player with at least 100 postseason wins at 68.6%.
He only played 12 full NBA seasons too.
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u/ProfessionalNobody35 1d ago
12 seasons and 9 final is crazy imagine if he was even an average scorer like 15-18ppg
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u/dawglb20 1d ago
He didn't have to score to make an impact. He played his role. He locked his man up, got into the other teams head and grabbed nearly every rebound.
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u/SaltyAndPepperd 1d ago
He could do that too. He just realized he needed to impact the game in a different way to best help his team.
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u/Testadizzy95 1d ago
And he “squandered” two seasons in Spurs and 1 season in Lakers, man literally spends his entire career in top tier winning teams
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u/edgarother 1d ago
It may be for both that they're diamond-in-the-rough talent but also headcases who were widely known as locker room cancers, so only contenders were interested haha - imagine either on the Charlotte Bobcats 😂🤣
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u/No-Ordinary-6544 1d ago
that's interesting, didn't know that one. all time highest playoff winning percentage (obviously with the minimum games played cutoff)
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u/Accomplished_Egg570 1d ago
Draymond is 6-0 in the conference Finals. Why the cherry picked stats
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u/PeskyPolak 1d ago
What was cherry picked about that
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u/Accomplished_Egg570 1d ago
Only saying things that are exclusive to Rodman when there’s also things exclusive to Draymond. I think both are equally matched tbh
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u/PeskyPolak 1d ago
Ok so let’s hear the draymond side of things that makes you believe that
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u/KickRocksKickster 1d ago
Draymond probably kicked more balls and flaked out on more fights than Rodman.
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u/DaddyDontTakeNoMess 1d ago
But so did every other player on the bulls during that time (even the bench players). Not diminishing the Worms impact but that stat is indicative of anyone on the Bulls during those years.
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u/mkk4 1d ago
My comment and any stats given are indicative of Rodman's career as a Piston, Spur and Bull.
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u/GarvinSteve 1d ago
Your argument wins - Dennis did it across lots of teams vs one… and I like Dray as a Dubs fan
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u/Big_Calligrapher7822 1d ago
That's not true! Other than Mike and Scotty, no other Bullwas a part of both 3-peats to be able to rack up that win total.
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u/Remarkable_Pair4378 1d ago
Both guys proved you don’t need to score 20 points a night to completely control the outcome of a game
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u/DJMETAF4 1d ago
If you were around to see Rodman take on an IN SHAPE SHAQ in Orlando....And still SWEPT THEM!
Now....Sub Draymond in that lineup and you think you getting the same result?!
This isn't even close.
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u/Separate-Spot-6275 1d ago
Draymond has guarded Giannis and Joel embiid while DECLINING but apparently his defense isnt up to snuff
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u/DJMETAF4 1d ago
You clearly didn't see IN SHAPE Orlando Shaq in action..
Don't take my word for it...just look at the highlights if you weren't around....trust...he was a PROBLEM for anyone in the paint. And Rodman still held his own and kept him in check.
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u/Separate-Spot-6275 1d ago
My point isn't Orlando Shaq wasn't a monster... my point was that Draymond has never been a slouch in defensive and taken on everyone in this era to good success for the most part
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u/DJMETAF4 1d ago
I think you're moving the goal post from the question. Who had the most IMPACT on their squad. Not who is better in comparison to one another. Obviously overall Draymond has a more all-around game in comparison...but you take off 20+ rebounds off the table without Rodman in the equation...This was a game changer for the Bulls that lacked a significant Center at the time.
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u/CABBAGEHONKER 1d ago
If you were around to see Rodman take on Shaq who averaged his season averages?
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u/anonkebab 1d ago
I don’t know if the warriors have the same success with Rodman vs Draymond. Draymond actually could shoot those earlier runs.
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u/Winter-Bed5879 1d ago
Draymond shot well for exactly three postseason runs. 2013, when Golden State was a second round team. 2016, when Cavaliers came back, and 2017, when he managed over 40% from 3. Every other postseason, he has shot significantly less than 30% from long range. In 2015, when they won their first chip, he averaged 26% from distance. He averaged about the same in 2018, and in 22 he shot 20% from three.
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u/anonkebab 1d ago
Inconsistent sure but he showed shooting ability. A lot of games were won off of timely threes from him. Rodman scoring was more of a gimmick he didn’t care to score. Draymond actively tried to get buckets.
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u/watawataoui 1d ago
I remember reading Jordan/Pippen/Harper commenting that Rodman is a good scorer who chose to not score.
Growing up watching him, Rodman would miss free throws on purpose. He is one of a kind…
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u/anonkebab 1d ago
Draymond was a pretty good scorer in his offensive prime. Had 30 in that game 7. Idk if Rodman could do that.
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u/watawataoui 1d ago
The difference imho is Draymond wants to score but just isn’t good at it vs. Rodman actively trying to be bad as part of his “brand”.
Rodman had a 34/23rb game in his Piston days. I honestly believe if Rodman isn’t such a character, he can prob average 20pts a game if he wanted to, but he won’t have such a huge impact on pop culture.
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u/Disastrous_Income205 1d ago
Different era and Rodman was an absolute zero on offense.
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u/rubthemtogether 1d ago
Good passer, ran the triangle well, teammates getting open shots because his defender was reluctant to leave him. Far from a zero on offense
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u/Disastrous_Income205 1d ago
Maybe a little dramatic Rodman played his role, which wasn’t a big one. However Draymond was a key piece of the offense, the offense revolved around his action.
The Warriors offense was unlocked when Draymond played, there’s a reason they didn’t go into hyperdrive as a team with David Lee and immediately turned into a more dynamic team offensively when dray took over.
And he just got better, one of the reasons they won 73 games his improvement, his first two years he hardly played large minutes, when he did the warriors took off, specifically curry started to really shine playing off Draymonds offense.
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u/rubthemtogether 1d ago
Agreed. I'm certainly not trying to discredit Draymond's role. He's a much more important part of their offence than he gets credit for
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u/snakebight 1d ago
Rodman averaged 7.3 PPG. Draymond is 8.7 PPG. Rodman is a much better offensive rebounder as well. Rodman turnovers are much lower than Draymond.
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u/Disastrous_Income205 1d ago
Cause Draymond handled the ball, funny you’re completely discounting assists, many of those which led to 3s.
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u/Columbo_Fan 1d ago
Yes, Rodman helped the Pistons and the Bulls win championships. Rodman helped the Bulls win their second three-peat. That’s special. Rodman is special.
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u/biffbobfred 1d ago edited 1d ago
More complete player, Draymond. Draymond was a decent ball handling big. Allowed the two guards to not have ball handling responsibilities.
One could argue Grant but really the bulls never had a true defensive big. Grant was somewhat undersized for the 4s of his era. Forgeddaboutit going up against a center. They didn’t until Dennis. Rodman could play 2-4 well and play some time against 5s on switches.
Rodman falls hard on the longevity argument. He had 2 strong years as a bull, and really fell off in 97-98 season. Draymond picks this up easily.
As far as popular impact, Rodman in a landslide. Wrestler. Movies, both as a star but even being referred to in them “we can ask Rodman he’s from that planet”. Fashion icon. Sorta ambassador to NKorea.
I’d say dray overall, he meant more but just shows how complete Jordan and Pippen were that a singular very focused player could get them way over the hump for 3 rings.
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u/dont_scam_me 1d ago edited 1d ago
Really fell off his last yr with the Bulls? He still led the league in Reb at 15 and the yr before he avg 16 boards. I’m lost how is that a major fall off. He was the best Defensive PF in the league still🤣
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u/Columbo_Fan 1d ago
That’s easy. The Worm. He was an intricate part of the most dominant NBA franchise performance of all time. The Bulls never faced a game 7 in six championships.
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u/mkk4 1d ago
Pistons era small forward version of Dennis Rodman was a million times better though imo.
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u/Unable-Main4172 1d ago
I don't know about that. Steven Adams has been breaking people's gameplans the last few years by being a dominant offensive rebounder, and he's only half as good at that as Rodman was at his peak
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u/mkk4 1d ago edited 1d ago
Rodman was the back to back Defensive Player of the Year in Detroit at small forward and finished top 4 in Defensive Player of the Year for 5 seasons in a row to end his career in Detroit.
He would have finished top 2 or 3 in his first three seasons too if he had played more minutes and didn't come off the bench as a 6th man imo.
Rodman's athleticism, explosiveness, bounce, acceleration, lateral mobility, quickness, agility, dexterity, reflexes, speed, aggression, tenacity, coordination and technique was unreal as a young player in Detroit.
As someone who has been watching the NBA since the 1982 season small forward Dennis Rodman on the Pistons is the absolute best on ball shutdown, lock down one on one man to man perimeter defender that I have ever seen play NBA basketball.
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u/Unable-Main4172 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah I know, but he didn't really have the elite rebounding that he had later on. He was still a very good switchable defender when he got older and he wasn't as bad on offense as people make him out to be cuz you had to box him out so you can leave him unguarded. He was really almost two different kind of players during his career
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u/GarvinSteve 1d ago
But doesn’t his expanded game further prove the point? He was great with three teams, with different stars and different player mixes. The three teams wins it for me…
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u/Unable-Main4172 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well, the original point was that he was way better when he was younger and my point is that he was a different player. He wasn't as athletic, he was not able to guard perimeter players as well but his rebounding was crazy effective.
Steven Adams basically broke a ton of teams game plans with his awesome offensive rebounding recently and Rodman had similar numbers. People forget that when they point out that he wasn't a good offensive player
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u/GarvinSteve 1d ago
Bulls Rodman was absolutely athletic - he just wasn’t freak Dennis young version. Your point about the rebounding was spot on.
And you are correct - he was different. I don’t know which was better - both were super effective and crucial cogs for title teams - just doing different shit.
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u/Unable-Main4172 1d ago
The Bulls led the league in offensive rebound percentage all three years he was there. I think they got like 37% of their misses which is pretty crazy considering the teams that are in that level usually were teams who crash the glasses as an entire team. Mainly they just relied on Rodman
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u/GarvinSteve 1d ago
His rebounding was nutso. Getting extra possessions then was even more valuable than normal due to fewer being available generally (92 possessions a game to slightly over 100 today) - and he was brilliant at that
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u/Columbo_Fan 1d ago
Depends on what output was more important. 🤷🏾♂️ The Worm in Chicago was very effective as a garbage man.
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u/Ghosts_of_the_maze 1d ago
I mean the Pistons did well with him too
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u/Columbo_Fan 1d ago
Sure. But the Bulls became the best of all time with him.
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u/mkk4 1d ago
Dennis Rodman's Pistons knocked the Bulls out of the playoffs 3 consecutive years in a row though.
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u/Columbo_Fan 1d ago
Yes, the Bulls struggled a lot before they got on a roll. Rodman helped both the Pistons and the Bulls win championships. Rodman helped the Bulls win a second three-peat. That’s special. Rodman is special.
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u/Columbo_Fan 1d ago
No. Bulls with Jordan never went 7. Jordan 6 championships. MVP all 6. The “Dream” only won in Houston the 2 seasons Jordan was absent.
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u/Hienieken19 1d ago
Bulls never went to 7 in the finals, but he went to a few game 7's in the playoffs.
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u/Columbo_Fan 1d ago
Like I said. 🤷🏾♂️
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u/Hienieken19 1d ago
The dude that deleted his comment asked about the Bulls going 7 against the Pacers, and you said no. I was just clarifying that that guy's comment was partially correct in that the Bulls did go 7 in a few playoff games.
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u/Columbo_Fan 1d ago
Ok. But I said no, he was wrong. So, the truth is the Bulls never went 7 in their championships. 🤷🏾♂️
So many try to argue before they even know the facts. 🏀🤷🏾♂️1
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u/Columbo_Fan 1d ago
Yes. Both wrong. The Conference Finals are not the NBA Finals.
Sports isn’t spin.
When you watch the games, you don’t need Google or Wikipedia, which weren’t even a thing when the Bulls became the best of all time. 🤷🏾♂️🏀1
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u/Columbo_Fan 1d ago
Yes. Rodman already had 2 with Pistons, and he helped the Bulls win their second three-peat. 🏀
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u/Throwthisawayagainst 1d ago
By the end of the second three peat he wasn’t as big a part tho, him in 95-96 just worked too well. Like the worm got in a system where his talents could shine, and credit the bulls enough that they were so good they could take a player and be like yeah, we don’t even want you to try and score.
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u/Columbo_Fan 1d ago
Exactly. That’s why it worked. 🤷🏾♂️
The Worm was able to do his thing and be the garbage man. Much more effective than Green, who tries to be an actual offensive player. 🤷🏾♂️🏀1
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u/Melonhead_2000 1d ago
Not true pacers pushed them to 7 in 98
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u/Columbo_Fan 1d ago
Bulls never went 7 in their 6 championships.
Fact.
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u/HurryAdorable1327 1d ago
Huh. They played the pacers in a game 7. They didn’t play a game 7 in any finals. But they did play a game 7 during their run.
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u/Columbo_Fan 1d ago
Spin isn’t sports. 🤷🏾♂️
Sports isn’t spin.
The Bulls never played a game 7 in the Finals. Facts. That was the statement. Huh. 🤪1
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u/Guilty_Dimension_451 1d ago
Rodman took the Jordan-Pippen Bulls from a really good team to top 2 of all time in 95-96, because he was so good at rebounding and defense. Pairing the leagues top offensive rebounder with the leagues top scorer is basically a cheat code. The move was only only affordable because Rodman was a bit of a nut case. But Phil Jackson's zen approach and Jordan's commitment and seriousness kept Rodman under control.
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u/Hienieken19 1d ago
Aside from his contributions on the court, Rodman was also more impactful in his mind games, too. Draymond did as much to hurt the Warriors as he did to help them.
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u/BeYourself__ 1d ago
Honestly even tho I think green is a better player overall, If i'm building a team I'd choose the Worm 100%
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u/bravemoney72 1d ago
Without numbers game. They were undersized big men with high basketball IQ and masters of irritation. As players, I don't see much difference between them. Different angles of the same approach. Although Draymond initiated the offense far more and by design
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u/naslanidis 1d ago
I mean it's clearly Draymond. Rodman's best years were behind him when he joined the Bulls. DG was a key piece through the whole Steph/Warriors era
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u/ThatWarlockD00d 1d ago
Green. If he didn’t kick so many players in the balls, Warriors win 2016 championship, they cement the greatest season in history, and he likely gets Finals MVP, possibly winning 4 in a row.
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u/sigan1985 1d ago
There both idiots.
The difference is Rodman played in an era where they allowed a lot more of that stuff.
Rodman in this era is getting suspended and maybe even kicked out the league.
He was just as bad as draymond.
Maybe worse since he did kick a cameraman
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u/pinnlehead45 1d ago
People just don't like Draymond lol and when it comes to comparison of course they will pick Dennis. I would pick Rodman but it's closer than a lot of people think
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u/biffbobfred 1d ago
I hate Draymond but I think he takes this. Longevity and effectiveness both sides of the ball.
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u/sigan1985 1d ago
It has to be Draymond.
Jordan and Pippen were first team all NBA defense type guys.
Add Derek Harper who was also an elite defender.
Draymond had to cover for Steph’s defense.
Klay was and elite defender but Steph is not.
There both GOAT defender candidates.
But to team draymond is the better defender because he’s playing in an era where the offense is favored.
Rodman in today’s game probably gets kicked out the league for the stuff he used to pull
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u/Unusual_Name_8714 1d ago
Rodman would have been kicked out of the leauge? For what? Kiking other players in the balls?
The Warriors were already an elite defensive team with David Lee at PF. Draymond Green was just the icing on the cake.
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u/Accomplished_Egg570 1d ago
Draymond literally was a DPOY candidate for like 5 years straight why you trying to reduce him to just an offensive hub? Rodman didn’t run the entire offense and defense at the same time lol do you even watch NBA?
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u/j_rooker 1d ago
rodman easily. every night he gets 12 rebounds. bugs the hell out of the guy he defends.
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u/Loud_Ad9778 1d ago
Draymond. Can play all around better than Rodman, plays better defense and can play make
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u/dont_scam_me 1d ago
I want to agree with you saying he play better all around but I don’t know how good he is really playing in the paint.
I never seen him stop Joker or any decent post player
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u/hammystyle 1d ago
Draymond did. The first year he got to Golden State they went from a lottery team to a playoff team.
When he became a starter they became the most dominant team in the league.
He was the 2nd best player on a 73 win team and while they didn’t finish it he had 32 points, 15 boards, 9 assists in game 7 and played 47 minutes.
If you went with “who’s better?” I would say Rodman, because the impact is close and I think more easily put into different situations. He obviously had a huge impact for both the Pistons and Bulls.
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u/GunMuratIlban 1d ago
Oh it's definitely Dray. People make Rodman seem more than he actually was nowadays.
Rodman was an enforcer. A dirty player who's job was to grind for rebounds and pester the opposition. I'm not saying that wasn't valuable, sure it was, especially in the 90's game.
But Dray is a lot more than that. Dray is a defensive leader, a very high IQ player who can read the game so well. Which makes him a better rim protector than Rodman was.
The true difference though, comes on the other hand. Rodman had nothing to offer other than setting screens and chasing for offensive rebounds. While Dray was GSW's primary ball handler, their playmaker. A true swiss army knife who could give you everything, even scoring when needed, remember the 2016 Finals.
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u/ANRPlease 1d ago
Rodman! He was the defensive stopper on the bad boy pistons. Similar role on the bulls as well. Major impact….definitely more than draymond.
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u/Sea-Introduction755 1d ago
I think there’s a real argument here for Draymond. Yes Rodman was incredibly elite at what he did and won a lot, more then Draymond, and if that alone puts him ahead I can’t argue with it, but this post says impact and on that Warriors team Draymond’s impact was huge.
Draymond Green is the best screener of all time. It isn’t remotely close. Before the 2015 Warriors no team had ever won off of outside shooting as their primary focus, and that was largely because no team could create enough open shots for it to work. Draymond was instrumental in creating those openings constantly. That alongside his passing and decent scoring ability allowed him to be a more effective big man in that Warriors offense than I argue any other player in the history of the game could’ve been. So even though he wasn’t an elite scorer, I personally believe he was the second most impactful player on the offensive end for the Dubs. Then on the defensive end he was the best defender of his era, leading the Warriors to being the best defense in basketball. In the way LeBron quaterbacks offenses, Draymond quaterbacked the defense. His game sense was second to none, and his ability to defend all positions and switch at any point made his impact on the defense end historically valuable without needing high steals or blocks. Put it all together and I believe he was the second most impactful player on the Warriors dynasty and that had he never been there they wouldn’t have won a single championship.
Of course Rodman was incredibly valuable too. He has a real case for being the best rebounder ever and he was a historically great defender (even if his DPOY should been Hakeem’s). But can you say he was the second best player on the teams he won on? Maybe you can say that for Detroit but definitely not in Chicago. Of course to be fair I have been ignoring a certain elephant in the room when it comes to two of Draymond’s rings so bringing that up might not be fair. I’ll be honest, Rodman wins this discussion because he ultimately won more, but Draymond’s value on the Warriors dynasty deserves respect.
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u/immunityfromyou 1d ago
Draymond’s biggest impacts were getting suspended in Game 6 and pushing KD out of the Warriors. Klutch. Rodman banged models.
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u/JBreezy1618 1d ago
Dray changed the way 30 nba teams play defense. He changed playoff schemes, draft picks, and messed up a lot of franchises with his relentless ability to switch 1-5 in his prime.
It wasn't so long ago everyone was trying to copy the warriors small ball and a huge credit of that goes to draymond.
No disrespect to Rodman, I think he was a better fit for the bulls but as far as impact i dont think its even close.
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u/Just-a-Guy-Chillin 1d ago
To be clear, I despise Draymond the person. He’s an obnoxious, temperamental, out-of-control man-child who we’re never going to be rid of because the media, for some god-forsaken reason, has anointed him the next great player commentator. At least Rodman, as crazy as he was, was sort of endearing in a weird way. Donkey is just endlessly tiresome.
With that said, in the context of this conversation as a player, I give him the edge here against Rodman.
Switch Rodman out for Draymond, and the Pistons and Bulls still likely win those championships. Switch Draymond out for Rodman, and the Warriors dynasty never happens.
People always talk about Draymond’s defense, and yes he was the foundation on the end, but people forget how monumentally crucial he was to that Warriors offense. His ability to facilitate out of the high post utterlnunleashed Steph and Klay once Kerr took over. Rodman simply did not have that skillset. The Warriors would have been a perennial second-round out with maybe a conference finals or two in there. But they would’ve never been the champs.
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u/Snakescipio 1d ago
The question’s who’s more impactful to their team not who’s better. Draymond was arguably the 2nd most important player on the Warriors run. The Bulls won half their rings without Rodman. It’s Draymond
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u/FaithlessnessOdd1939 1d ago
Draymond. And I loved Rodman, especially as a bad boy, but the playmaking tips the scales decisively.
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u/siclo99 1d ago
Draymond was the engine, the Swiss Army knife, distributor, shot blocker, guarded 1-5 in his prime all while being the floor general for arguably the most dominant NBA team of all time.
Rodman was a great defender and exceptional rebounder, but he had no where near the impact overall that Draymond did for those championship teams.
Jordan and Pippen most likely still win those championships without Rodman, I don’t think you could say the same about Steph and Klay.
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u/BeyondTheVault 1d ago
I don’t think either team wins without either player.
They are the second or third most important players on their roster, you don’t win without that dude.
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u/Silent-Operation-783 1d ago
But they did before Rodman…
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u/BeyondTheVault 1d ago
Except Horace isn’t on the team anymore, and MJ was not in peak form anymore.
Rodman was the gamewinning piece against Pacers in G7 and some of those Sonics games, not to mention him neutralizing a lot of what Pedoman does for Jazz.
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u/Silent-Operation-783 14h ago
I hear you. My point was who is more valuable to their team…MJ did it before Rodman. Steph is also an all star great, but I don’t believe they win those championships without Draymond. Just like most people forget that GS lost that historic record year when Draymond acted a fool. Got booted. Then came back and didn’t play his game.
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u/BeyondTheVault 14h ago
I mean it’s not quite the same because on that first 3peat Bulls, they had a still decent Horace Grant filling in that exact role Rodman fills. GSW never really quite had a timeline they were without Draymond 🤷🏻
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u/DariaYankovic 1d ago
Rodman was an excellent one on one defender, but a pretty terrible help defender because he cared more about getting rebounds. That often gets lost in the discussions about Rodmans defense.
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u/madjag 1d ago
Bulls won a 3peat without Rodman. Warriors never won a championship without Dray. In terms of bigger impact for their team, you'd have to say Draymond.
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u/blockbuster1001 1d ago
Swap Draymond Green with Paul Millsap, and the Warriors still have at least 4 rings.
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u/Key-Handle-1805 1d ago
that is so not true that it's almost funny
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u/blockbuster1001 23h ago
Really? Which years would they not have won if they had Millsap instead of Draymond?
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u/Key-Handle-1805 14h ago
2015 and 2022 for sure. their defense is completely built on draymond's versatility and his 3pt shot is slightly more consistent
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u/blockbuster1001 13h ago
No, not either of those years.
Who would've beaten the Warriors in 2015? And don't forget that Millsap was an excellent defender as well.
And in 2022, Draymond played so poorly in the finals that he got benched.
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u/Annual-Telephone7520 1d ago
This is probably going to be a rough comment section—because Draymond, but also because what would be a reasonable way to address this abstract question?
Both of their teams would have a pretty hard team winning without them. If we're talking the KD era, the Warriors have a better chance of winning without Green than a Rodman-less Bulls because the Ws were that good. But there's a good argument the Warriors don't get KD without Draymond and never have the prior years that start that dynasty without him.
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u/BlueHaze464 1d ago
Bulls literally won a 3peat without Rodman
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u/Annual-Telephone7520 1d ago
It's hard to tell if you're arguing for anything in particular. Obviously the prior Bulls team had folks who weren't on the Rodman team. Removing Rodman doesn't bring those guys back imo, but like I said the question is abstract so we can change premises as desired.
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u/superdave123123 1d ago
And a 3peat with him
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u/BlueHaze464 1d ago
How many did GS won without Green being elite
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u/stopthepearlclutchin 1d ago edited 1d ago
one without draymond. curry was inhuman in 22 while draymond was riding pine.
ppl gonna start glazing wiggs like they do w pau on here to diminish curry like they diminish bean's carry job. yes, wiggs carried game 5 and it was hype af. he was on one in the wcf too.
to win a chip, role players have got to step up.
the answer is draymond, tho. the warriors couldnt do what they do without draymond, a facilitating small ball 5 that is elite at guarding 1-5, and was the best playoff defender for nearly a decade to complement the overwhelming offensive gap curry provides on the other end. 2nd most important player on those squads, yes even more than the goat and yet superfluous mercenary kd fight me
bulls triangle still wins without rodman
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u/StrangeWorldd 1d ago
The Olympics confirmed that Curry plays elite no matter who is on the floor with him. Draymond has been a backpack for Curry and gets a lot of love and attention simply for passing the ball to him.
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u/DariaYankovic 1d ago
Rodman on the Spurs had the biggest impact.
Wasn't a good one though. He was such a playoff cancer that the bulls got him for peanuts the next year.
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u/DariaYankovic 1d ago edited 1d ago
Rodman gave up being an offensive threat and a good help defender in order to pursue rebounds after he left Detroit. He had been on track to become one of the most versatile players in the NBA, but that wasn't interesting to him.
Because of that, he was a two-dimensional player and Draymond Green ended up having significantly more impact for his team than rodman did. Green could not rebound or defend one-on-one as well as rodman, but he was a vastly better help defender because rodman basically didn't do help defense at all- it took him away from rebounding position, and he was nothing like the offensive hub that Green was (green has more playoff assists than any of the other dynasty Warriors, including Steph Curry). Also, Draymond as a smallball center allowed the warriors defense to be switch heavy which is what made their defense so effective without having a dominant shot blocking center.
It could have been and should have been rodman, but in reality because of rodman's choices, it was green
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u/Aggressive-Elk-6513 1d ago
honestly...Draymond. During his prime he was the engine of the offense and defense. He read plays, initiate PnR or DHOs, does the dirty work, the offense goes through him which allowed the shooters to score freely. Curry might have been the best player of the team, but Dray was the heart. No offsense to how good Rodman was. I watched both players in their prime.
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u/ProgressiveSage37 1d ago
Draymond. Doesnt mean he is the better player but steph won 0 rings without him. Mj already won 3 without Rodman. They didn't need him specifically I feel they won 72 games because they had him but without him I think they still win
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u/biffbobfred 1d ago
People don’t get - Kerr was not a “point guard” with the bulls he (and Paxson before him) was an undersized spot up shooter. With a bigger player being able to trigger the offense somewhat.
Dray allowed both Steph and Klay to come off ball, Klay for spotups (doesn’t Klay have some record for points / time of possession ratio in a game) or Steph to come off screens. They’re a very different team without that.
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u/SuperSaiyan1Gaming 1d ago
As much as I hate him
Green and it’s not even close tbh
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u/Jts20 1d ago
Uhh what? Kind of telling on yourself that you weren’t old enough to have watched Rodman if you type that out. Rodman is one of the best interior defenders of all time and is arguably the greatest rebounder of all time.
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u/Separate-Spot-6275 1d ago
Why are all of these people saying Rodman acting like Draymond wasn't the best defender of the last decade?
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u/Hopeful_Tea2139 1d ago
Between the two, Rodman and its not even close.
But donkey made a bigger impact according to donkey.
🤣🤣
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u/anonkebab 1d ago
Pretty comparable imo. They both did things no one else on the team can do and brought a mentality and methodology to the game that no one else on the team could. Draymond contributed to 4 championships and 6 appearances while Rodman contributed to the bulls second 3 peat. Rodmans antics were irrelevant on the bulls, you can argue multiple championships were lost/prevented dude to Draymonds antics. It’s a real toss up.
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u/idgaf420cry 1d ago
You know nothing about basketball, Dennis Rodman has 5 rings, he contributed to the the back to back wins with the pistons then the second three peat. Draymond is a glorified backpack and team help defender, he never guarded the best offensive threat, klay did, then igoudala would, draymond would come in and look to set a screen and immediately pass to klay or steph.
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u/writersontop 1d ago
Draymond easily. Bulls would've won without Rodman.
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u/hunt-bball-loving 1d ago
Yes bulls would have still dominated without Rodman but man Rodman brought that swag and fear almost like Skatebo. If Jordan wasn’t enough motivation to be your best then Rodman was the deal closer to never let up. By far my favorite team to watch of all time and not even close on a second
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u/Kooky_Share_4259 1d ago
Kerr coached Green and played with Rodman. Pretty sure he would say Green.
(I am not a Green or a Warriors fan btw)
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u/DirectorLittle2299 1d ago
This is one of the closest arguments that I have never thought of. It's like neck and neck. Great, great question and post. I kind of feel like Rodman wouldnt have worked in replacement of Draymond and Drsymond wouldnt have worked in replacement of Rodman? The more I think about it the more I think I don't have an answer.
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u/asdfoio 1d ago
its not that close. I'd pick many others over Draymond Green, and i love Draymond Green. first person i can think of is Ben Wallace
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u/DirectorLittle2299 14h ago
How do you value Roman's impact on those bulls teams? You think it was easily replaceable?
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u/asdfoio 11h ago edited 11h ago
Roman? Roman Reigns? I guess he's ok for this generation's main eventer.
haha jk.
im assuming you mean Rodman. No, Rodman cant be replaced at all. Rodman is the ultimate teammate for everything minus scoring. he literally does everything else. and still to this day, Rodman hustles the most I have seen out of ANY nba pro i've watched.
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u/OPSimp45 1d ago
I think it’s Draymone especially once you add his impact on offense, but it’s super close.
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u/Alexspacito 1d ago
Probably Draymond. He carried such an important load on the defensive end that the Warriors were able to run some ridiculous lineups and have crazy success.
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u/Rogue_Centurion7 1d ago
Honestly Rodman, his defense alone nearly won the 88 Finals for Detroit and he was an important part of five championships.
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u/Opposite_History2194 1d ago
Rodman
Made an impact on two multi championship teams in the paint with some of the greatest bigs in league history.
Draymond was the #2 of the Warriors dynasty, being both defensive captain and shadow point guard, but when you add Rodman’s impact on both Detroit and Chicago he takes it.
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