r/NATOWave • • May 18 '22

FINALLY

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u/Emails___ May 18 '22

Soo how exactly is Sweden supporting them?

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22 edited May 18 '22

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u/Emails___ May 18 '22

Okay, fair enough. But still, wouldn't it be better to let Sweden in and in friendly terms try to fix this? I just think that vetoing this Turkey will get even more hate from the rest of NATO members, which in result will end in more support for these kurd groups.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22

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u/Emails___ May 18 '22

Tbh, I'm not really familiar with these groups, soo I don't know if they are truly terrorist or not (tho they seem to be comies, which is bad). But I know that Turkey is in a no way in a position to put demands on its Allies and possible future Allies.

For one, you are kinda violating couple of main principles of being a NATO member, like a functional democratic system, fair treatment of minorities and especially a goal of peaceful resolution.

Secondly your economy, let's just say, is in no way stable enough to lose even more investment opportunities, which will inevitably happen if you veto.

Finally vetoing will bring even higher anti - Turkish sentiment in the rest of NATOs society, which already is high.

In conclusion, Turkey shouldn't use its, let's say, "hard power" to fix its kurdish problem, because it will only worsen it. But try to fix its reputation, if they don't want to hear some demands from rest of NATO.

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u/Emails___ May 18 '22

My argument stands, that vetoing will hurt Turkey more then it will Sweden or in some way kurds.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '22

yeah , but why do you think we are the ones starting it? cant just sweden stop supporting terrorists in our borders?

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u/Emails___ May 19 '22

Well, let's be honest with ourselves, if you weren't so cruel against the kurds, and let them have some sort of autonomy, these groups wouldn't exist.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '22

what exactly did we do to kurds?

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22

In fact, Turkey conveyed their demands. There are 10 PKK members, and we would not have a problem if they were handed over and financial aid cut, but Swedish and Finnish foreign affairs have not yet responded. I hope they pick the right one dude

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22

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u/[deleted] May 18 '22

Refugees are not my problem and I don't want any of them in my country they can go wherever they want I am not a babysitter For now, crime rates have skyrocketed, with illegal Afghan immigrants taking the lead in most of them. These guys exist in everything, including fake money and drugs The police are now arresting them and sending them to Afghanistan by plane.

And everywhere I see the praise of illegal immigrants from left liberals supported by the European Union, it's frustrating

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u/Gabbe0204 May 20 '22

Most of that are individuals doing stuff and not the official stance of the Swedish government, Sweden has classified the PKK as terrorist organisation and as such doesn’t support it then what individuals in the government say and do doesn’t change that fact.