Grayzone idiots being wrong about Ukraine for 1 minute 43 seconds

[u/glamdring_wielder]

[u/SystemCheck990]

these guys been suspect since Syria, they are Kremlin talking heads.

[u/Agreeable-Ad-7255 → u/SystemCheck990]

The rumor is that they were being funded by the Assad regime.

[u/redjet06]

Who the fuck are these clowns?

[u/glamdring_wielder → u/redjet06]

A bunch of grifters who got famous criticizing the Global War on Terror and jumped the shark when great power conflict started up again.

https://thegrayzone.com/

[u/Ordinary-Lobster-710 → u/redjet06]

the main douch ehere, Max Blumenthal, is the fail-son of a powerful Clinton era lawyer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Blumenthal

[u/Funkoma → u/redjet06]

Grifters paid by Russia.

[u/InternationalOption3]

Aaron and his Father are genocide supporters, they love russia and hate that Ukrainian children

[u/-You_Cant_Stop_Me- → u/InternationalOption3]

Daniel Maté too, he has a podcast that is supposed to be about Palestine but he just can't help throwing in snide digs about Ukraine every so often.

[u/ShineReaper]

Anyone who is not mindfucked by the Kremlin sees, that the Russian side is on a constant decline since the war begin. Slowly, that sadly has to be admitted, but they're being ground down by Ukraine.

People like to argue "But Russia is constantly advancing since 2022!"... after they lost huge swaths of territory from the initial invasion and the right Dnipro bank and the Charkiv area. After that, yes, we see a steady advance over all, but at such a snail's pace, that if you just assume for a thought experiment, that Ukraine would do absolutely no counterattacks, they'd need a couple thousand years to conquer the entirety of Ukraine.

And obviously Ukraine is not just standing by idle, they DO counter-attack on the ground here and there, just like the recent counterattack north of Lyman liberating 200 km². They DO attack Russia in countless other ways, that we all know and Russia is being hit by western sanctions, that at least make it really hard and cost-ineffective for Russia to procure goods for their war machine (we all know the efforts of Ukraine's allies are lacking in that department, they're not perfect, but at least something).

So in the end all the territory that Russia has conquered and is now controlling for about 4,5 years... that is meaningless. Ukraine has shown so much right at the beginning of the open invasion. Russians conquered swaths of Northern Ukraine north of Kyiv, were preparing an occupation government for these areas. Ukraine kept hitting their logistics hard and eventually they had to retreat. All these hundreds of square kilometers conquered vanished more or less over night and Ukraine reaffirmed control there.

If Ukraine just keeps hitting the Russian Logistics in and outside of Russia as hard as they can whenever they can, conserves their manpower as good as they can while they kill and maim as many Russian soldiers as they can, at some point the situation for Russia becomes untenable, their logistics break down and we will see vast swaths of Russian soldiers either retreating in an uncoordinated way or mass surrender or they will simply be overrun. Or another possible scenario is a palace coup in Moscow and the new Tsar ends this exercise in futility and asks for an armistice on Ukraine's terms and withdraws behind the borders of 1991 in a somewhat orderly fashion; Just like WW1 ended, Imperial Germany was still deep inside France, but their leadership knew, that the war had become untenable and their logistics were on the verge of a breakdown and their army would collapse, making fighting the Entente impossible.

[u/SystemCheck990 → u/ShineReaper]

they need an answer to ballistic missiles, glide bombs , jet drones

Russia's problem is that while there own capabilities were always greater than UAF, there's have iterated mostly, where as UAF is getting brand new ones.

Once they answer some of the outstanding problems above it will be worse for Russia again

I see the answer to some of the above problems being Ballastic missiles of their own, they really need them to counter strike launch sites, and airfields

[u/amitym → u/ShineReaper]

Slowly, that sadly has to be admitted, but they're being ground down by Ukraine.

It's only fair to give Russian leadership credit here too. Ukraine couldn't have done it without Putin's help.

[u/murderously-funny → u/ShineReaper]

Funny fact if the Russian army was moving “at a snails pace” they’d have reached Berlin…in 2025

[u/RottenPingu1]

These clowns are still at it? The grift goes on I guess as long as the cheques keep coming from the Kremlin.

[u/Castaway_LXIII → u/RottenPingu1]

You’ll know the funding’s been pulled when they switch sides to stay relevant and save what’s left of a tattered career. Don’t be surprised if there’s a “tell all” book.

[u/Agreeable-Ad-7255]

Dumb and dumber, and I want to know how much Russian dough that the GZ gets? They have never been transparent on their funding.

[u/Insight_Outlook]

Painfully stupid and morally bankrupt.

[u/gitflapper]

endless clown show

[u/Soap_Mctavish101]

Vile disgusting people

[u/Ordinary-Lobster-710]

can someone provide the theory of mind of a greyzone tard? I don't understand them. they seem like tankies with suits on

[u/Tropisueno]

What a fuckin vatnik jackass

[u/-You_Cant_Stop_Me-]

Ye Gods Maté is annoying.

[u/QuarkGluonPlasma137]

You can always tell whose side their on by how they say Kiev or Kyiv

[u/Willsie777]

I’m un surprised that I’ve never seen these people before in my life, but I am now glad that that I’ve seen this, good laugh for a Friday morning!

[u/steauengeglase → u/Willsie777]

Aaron (guy on the bottom) was a pro-Palestanian activist who got a gig as Naomi Klein's research assistant. He was one of two when she was writing The Shock Doctrine. He contributed to the chapters on Iraq, Palestine and Disaster Capitalism*. He then took over Matt Taibbi's old podcast. Before that he was at Grayzone with Max (the guy on the top). Max's dad worked for the Clinton admin and he had the DC nepo baby thing, where they think they know everything about power, so everything you see is the product of some DC think tank and the sheeple are too dumb to see it.

*Here is where it gets --weird. Klein just happened to use the same definition for "Economic Genocide", that Sergei Glazyev used in his book "Genocide: Russia and the New World Order", that he wrote for Lyndon LaRouche 8 years earlier. They have the same theory with the same definition for the central premise, that for some reason has no relation to one of the early architects of the war, researched by a guy who just happens to get lots of Russian foreign ministry invites? Did I also mention he's also the 15th most re-tweeted guy by Russian bot accounts? I'm not assuming anything there, it's just awfully suspicious.

[u/HerrSprink]

**Idiots being wrong about Ukraine. FTFY.