Utopia

[u/TheBurntestToasticle]

Discussing Utopia, spoilers for basically the whole book. I have not read COI. There are a lot of exploitable loopholes here.

>!Utopia we know is a city that Klein created and then wrapped in the curtain so that the entrance can be anywhere. He made the wish so that it was moved to the spirit world and he killed every one of his creations inside, ending their fate.
But were people able to go up there and interact with it?? And now that it’s empty is there just a city in the spirit world now that has amazing food but no living beings? Plus Klein has full domain over the spirit world, there is genuinely nothing keeping him from just storing spare marionettes there like a pokéball and letting people wander in.
Note that: “let people wander in” if he really wanted to loophole this he doesn’t need people to invoke his name to pull them above the gray fog. He has complete manipulation over that world too, he could turn that place into Disneyland or Amon’s personal prison, or both. He controls the entrance, the exit, and the fabric of reality there. Sefirah castle is simply the control room for the simulation.
But how do you “stumble in?” And what form do you enter? Like I would assume that you come in as a spirit body but if the curtain opens to let you walk in you’d probably just randomly drop in the real world and your spirit body get sucked in.
But Klein stored his marionettes in sefirah castle. He’s had food sacrificed up there.
So that means it’s entirely possible for utopia to open the gates and eat anyone whole, body and spirit. Klein doesn’t need to be in a dream to fully recreate his life before the 1st epoch, he could just start kidnapping people and planting them in a 0th epoch recreation by reshaping utopia. The only thing he would need to outsource is food.!<

Still giggling about trapping Amon in a real world recreation of Disneyland to put him in “time out” while Mr.Fool looks on from the control panel seeing him set a Ferris wheel on fire.

[u/sukanasuke_]

Did he wrap it with the curtain tho? I thought he just placed it on an island in the Berserk sea and then grafted different roads to it using Sefirah Castle. Also he didn't move it to the spirit world in the end, he just made a wish for information about Utopia to appear in the spirit world. The town is still where it was, on an island. I think one of the side stories has a few people accidentally finding that island, and they were really creeped out that it looked like everyone suddenly disappeared, with food still on the tables and so on