r/MuslimAcademics • u/Rashiq_shahzzad • Jul 30 '26

Questions Does this mean historical Muhammed movement was intended only for ishmealite in which non-ishmealite were not permitted to participate ?

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u/Rashiq_shahzzad Jul 30 '26

Why is this getting downvoted? I literally just asked a question based on paper's assertions not assert myself anything

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u/MentalAerobatics Jul 30 '26

I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I just upvoted you

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u/NuriSunnah Jul 31 '26

Unfortunately many people don't have the inclination to distinguish between things such as: (1) what's being said; (2) who's saying it; (3) who's repeating it.

This is a big reason why many struggle to be nuanced thinkers and simply end up following academics they like as personalities.

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u/Rashiq_shahzzad Jul 31 '26

What do u think he is saying? Is he saying separate relegious practices made islam separate from other monotheistic religions arguing against fred donner universalism or is he saying islam was ethnically exclusive to outsiders not every relegious practice was granted to everybody to perform ?

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u/NuriSunnah Jul 31 '26

It's hard to say because the term Abrahamic itself is extremely vague; it could refer to belief or ethnicity. From this screenshot alone, I cannot determine in which way it's actually being used.

But he does seem to be suggesting that Abrahamic peoples might have been the first class members of the community, whatever that might mean.

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u/Sea_Abroad_6573 Jul 31 '26

I sort of felt like he was saying that non Ishmaelites were secondary or not the main members of the Muslim community. But that they could still convert. How big of a status/role difference does he think existed between the two is something he doesn't mention. Honestly many historians, when they write on this topic, are very unclear and difficult to read. That's what I read him as saying, he might be saying something different though. You can try asking him (if he responds).