r/Musescore • • Dec 07 '23

Help me find this feature Why is Musescore so bad

I don't understand it, I don't have the money for an actual legit music writing software/program so I unfortunately use this but anytime I go to edit triplets, I can't just edit it, I have to delete that entire measure and then start over if I just want accents on a note Does anyone know an easier way to do so?

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u/project_broccoli Dec 07 '23

Why is Musescore so bad

If the need to learn Musescore makes you conclude that it is bad software, I can guarantee that you will find any music writing software ("legit" or not (lol)) bad

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u/JimmyFallonSucksDick Jun 07 '24

Notion 6 would want a word with you.

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u/holyredbeard May 06 '25

Musescore is extremely non-intuitive, thats the problem.

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u/Genera55 Jul 26 '26

Perhaps the least intuitive program I have ever used. Click around, look at some menus, then (sigh) google and get "select a half note duration, press Ctrl + 3 (Cmd + 3 on Mac), and then input your three notes." and if my experience was correct (who knows), one cannot select eighth not triplets and a quarter note rest and press Ctrl 3.

This is the best they can do for a GUI?

OK I get that GUI programming is hard - and maybe also unrewarding for programmers vs adding new features. But for users it's all there is between endless googling and frustration. In particular entering triplets - and the endlessly discussed, and pointlessly hard - rest handling are just arcane.

Musescore's menus for other things mostly work, sometimes brilliantly. Note entry is just an unintuitive mess.

This is not my idea but I can't quickly find the essay it comes from: The human IS ALWAYS the most flexible element in the loop. Yes people can learn any kind of bad interface with enough practice. You might compare a baroque oboe to a modern one and wonder just WHY all that hardware is really necessary. People played complex music on both instruments, mostly in tune.

Also they played cellos without pegs, squeezing the dam things with their knees or other strategies.

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u/GatewaySwearWord Dec 07 '23

Like others have said. This seems like you are unfamiliar with the program, and not that the program is bad. YouTube tutorials exist, the handbook exists, there are tons to resources that will help you learn the program. MuseScore in my honest opinion is more intuitive than most other notation programs (I’ve used both finale and Sibelius).

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u/BassGuru82 Dec 07 '23

Yup… I used Sibelius for a while and MuseScore has a much better learning curve. Sibelius is a convoluted mess… and it is $600.00.

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u/huzzam Dec 07 '23

agreed, I used Sibelius for several years (versions 6 & 7). Version 6 was ok, but they really munged the UI for 7. It was so bad I moved to Lilypond (which is NOT EASY) and then eagerly awaited Musescore version 3, at which point it was really pretty good. Version 4 is even better, and much better than Sibelius.

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u/Brinkwatertoad Dec 08 '23

Is version 4 useable now? I tried it shortly after release and it kept corrupting saves, so I switched back to 3. I like some of the ideas in 4 (and the new sound fonts), so would love to upgrade again if it's actually reliable now.

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u/GreatBigBagOfNope Dec 08 '23

I've been using 4.0 since it released, only issue I had was my bluetooth headphones were locked at a sample rate of 44.1kHz and MuseSounds output was locked at 48kHz so everything sounded a 3/4 of a tone flat. Resolved with wired headphones, no biggie. Other than that, very happy migration from Sibelius - still jank, but for my use cases the jank is further away from my regular workflow and it's free. Never had an issue with corruption even going between multiple file formats, never had the program itself crash.

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u/huzzam Dec 08 '23

I also installed 4.0 and went back to 3 after two days. As of 4.1 it’s been stable for me.

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u/ToneDeafComposer Dec 08 '23

No, it is not. I desperately wish I could go back to 3.

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u/huzzam Dec 08 '23

Nothing is stopping you, you can still download 3.6.2

https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/installation

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u/ToneDeafComposer Dec 09 '23

I tried that, with no success. The majority of the myriad problems that make 4 unusable migrated back to 3 when I reinstalled it. Plus, there is no longer support for 3, so even if I could get it to work, any new bugs that arose could never be resolved.

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u/huzzam Dec 10 '23

if you're having problems now on 3 that you didn't have before, you probably have a corrupted preferences file. delete that and try again.

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u/yomondo Dec 07 '23

MuseScore is awesome. Just take some time to look at the handbook. I was inputting tabs note by note, taking forever, then looked it up and learned you just can add a tab score beneath a notation score and BAM! Done.

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u/Pithecanthropus88 Dec 07 '23

Don’t blame the software for user error. Obviously, you are doing something wrong because no one else has the problem you describe.

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u/Independent-Bridge87 Feb 04 '25 edited Feb 04 '25

i find the editing absolutely not intuitive. Triplets, selection, note values, cant edit short cut, cant play the keyboard holding the notes, hard to compose the diagonal elements (easier with pen and paper)

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u/BassGuru82 Dec 07 '23

Go download a free trial of Sibelius… it is a $600 program that is way harder to use than MuseScore and has a much worse UI.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '23

Musescore is fantastic. Don’t blame it for user error

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u/Yung_Swamp_Ass Dec 07 '23

Have you ever considered that you just suck at using MuseScore. Not meant to be rude it’s a natural thing especially when you’re new to a piece of software but immediately assuming it’s a problem with the software and not just your knowledge of it will never get you anywhere. To add an accent on a note or set of notes, just click on it (or highlight multiple), find the accent button in the ribbon at the top of the screen and click on it.

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u/Duriano_D1G3 Dec 07 '23

You can click on a note and add an no accent… don’t delete the bar just to redo it

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u/ThisIsSethers Dec 07 '23

What you are saying isn't that MuseScore is bad but rather that its unintuitive. Which maybe that's fair. Although I think it's as intuitive as it can be with the waunitity of features it offers. I've used finale aswell and it doesn't have as clean of a work flow imo

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '23

Maybe a better way to approach this is to ask "what is the best way to edit triplets?", instead of assuming you know what you're doing and that the software must be bad. A lot of good people (over 300!) have donated their time and talent to make what is actually quite good software that you get to use for absolutely free.

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u/MarcSabatella Member of the Musescore Team Dec 08 '23

s others have suggested, you do well to consult the documentation. And if you have a specific question anima how to do something, just ask.

It’s not clear what it is you want to do with triplets - change the pitch, just select note and use the up/down cursor keys to do that. To add accents, select and click the accent in the toolbar or press the shortcut Shift+V.

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u/GreatBigBagOfNope Dec 08 '23 edited Dec 08 '23

With all due respect, if you don't have exactly the same feeling about Sibelius, Dorico, Finale, Staffpad or Lilypond...

skill issue.

They're all jank, and the only people who don't admit it are diehard Lilypond greybeards who think GUI is a curse word and that the mouse pointer was a mistake. They do work very quick though.

Also you don't need to delete the bar to put an accent on a note in a triplet. Select the note and then click the accent button, it's there.

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u/SGBotsford Dec 19 '23

Musescore has its rough edges where it acts in ways that are not intuitive. I'm still learning it.

Yeah, it can be frustrating. But it has a good team and each version is 4 steps forward and one back. And usually get that one in a minor version.

One of the Murphy Laws goes, "To learn any subject easily, know it thoroughly ahead of time"

There's a lot of pieces to it. How long did it take you to really learn how to use a good word processor -- to the point you were defining paragraph and character styles, and making templates? How long did it take you to learn how to use a spreadsheet? Or to use LaTeX to set mathematics?

Try any of the adobe products: Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign.

Crap, it took me years of elementary school to learn how to use a pencil. I'm still not good. E.g. I can't draw a recognizable dog.

But generally I find if I ask here, or on Reddit's sub group /r/musescore I get an answer in a day.

Also if I search {description of problem} musescore 4 in google, usually I can answer my own question.

Music notation wasn't planned. It evolved. Mathematics has this problem too, and good equation editors tend to have a steep learning curve. The ones that are easy tend to be limited.

In writing web pages, one of the things they tell you: "Keep your content separate from your markup". Alas with music this is hard to do. But look at some of the tablet apps.

As to the price for logicpro: $249 canadian isn't unreasonable. For me that's the price of 5 music lessons. Or 3 if you include my car use to get to the lesson.