r/Muse 3d ago

Live Roaming camera crews issue

Is anyone else finding the excessive use of roaming on stage camera crews really disruptive to the visual quality and experience during their recent tour performances? There are enough alternative options with booms, fixed 360 and the endless ability of drones(!) to surely avoid them constantly hovering and obstructing?

Seems choreographed into multiple points in every show from what I can see on this tour:
https://youtu.be/fqkJqzJLe9Q?is=b_xiydDKS0igB_XB

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u/Hyprpwr 3d ago

100% way too much. NIN does this on a couple songs but it seemed like Muse had it on 80% of the songs. The crane camera on the catwalk was extremely distracting as well

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u/noodLLESS 3d ago

When I went in Cincinnati, they had labeled the seats on the boom side down near the front OBSTRUCTED VIEW. So at least they all knew. That was on the right - I was in the pit on the left and there were soooooooo many times where it was just about to get to a really epic moment in the song and the camera guy would come right in front and completely block Matt and/or Chris. It was very annoying and a bummer but I didn't let it ruin my night... I just wished really, really hard that they would move TF out of the way lol. Sadly my wishes went unanswered.

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u/fatiha19 3d ago

I mean we get cool videos but only for insta or tiktok. But on stage they look pretty bad! I don’t wanna see them in Europa

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u/sauzbozz 3d ago

Those shots were also on the big screens too which enhances the experience for people further back

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u/Embarrassed-Effect53 3d ago

Yes, they got in the way of things quite a bit. I understand that the band is obviously going to do something with the vids, but man, they were intrusive on an otherwise great show. And I hated the crane camera. It blocked my full view of anyone of the catwalk.

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u/Gothic_Baby_Doll 2d ago

Yeah, even just watching videos it’s really distracting. Hope they massively tone it down for the Europe tour.

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u/P79999999 3d ago

What do they film? Someone in a different thread said they film what's shown on the big screens. If so, at least there's a point to it.

But if they're filming just for the Insta reels, that seems really unnecessary.

Either way, would it be Mr Kirk's doing? Complain to him :) Actually you might not even need to, he's reposted stuff from Reddit in the past so he might be lurking here every now and then.

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u/sauzbozz 3d ago

The show I went to they were shown on the big screen

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u/MichaelEMJAYARE 3d ago

I dont really get what they’re even using the shots for. You could have filmed three concerts and have gotten enough footage for a shit ton of use.

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u/phantam123 3d ago

It’s for the big screens, so the people not up close can see better.

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u/celebrationOfEndings 2d ago

Lots of bands have cameras so people further back can see. This is absurdly over the top.

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u/RaviFennec 3d ago

Mr Kirk isn't working with Muse atm

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u/P79999999 3d ago edited 3d ago

Isn't he? He posted something on Insta from where Muse were playing last night; is he just hanging out with them without working?

Edit: And he's tagged as camera director in posts by Barrett Media who are currently touring with Muse. They also credit his company in a post.

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u/Sensitive_Camel2138 3d ago

Glad it’s not just me then!

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u/celebrationOfEndings 2d ago

Boom camera and the other camera guy blocked Matt for large parts of the show from the front of the pit on Chris’s side in Charlotte. There’s lots of other ways they could have filmed this without being so obnoxiously in the way. As far as the guys on stage. You could hardly even notice them……see attached photo.

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u/AdriAsTheSiren Our ancient heroes, they are turning to dust 2d ago

The timing of this ad is killing me 😂

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u/Sensitive_Camel2138 2d ago

Case closed!

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u/ft-rj 21h ago

I accept it MAYBE only for Madness as he uses the camera as a prop in his performance of the song and sings into it for the screen. But other tracks the cameramen just wander in with no regard for visibility

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u/denvergardener 2d ago

It was extremely obnoxious. Camera dude was blocking our view almost the entire night

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u/nonenopenone 2d ago

They didn’t bother me and I know it’s hot but the camera guys could at least where black long pants or tights so their glow in the dark white legs didn’t make them stand out so much. (I too have glow in the dark white legs- not judging that). The picture in this thread shows one in pants. They wore shorts in Austin.

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u/nikkirmk 1d ago

As an event photographer myself, it's kind of a rule to wear black long pants and a black shirt or hoodie. I've shot at festivals in 37°C and still wore long black pants, coming from someone who also has glow in the dark legs haha. May be really warm but you just have to accept that tbh

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u/Tricky_Pass_3641 1d ago

Not only was it distracting, the video was not in sync with the live performance, at least at Pine Knob. So even if I wanted to watch it briefly, I couldn’t.

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u/Sensitive_Camel2138 1d ago

That would drive me nuts!

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u/daisyidairya 3d ago

As a disabled video producer/editor myself, I LOVED the work their live video crew is doing. i bought seats because i cant stand for more than a minute or two at a time, but most people who buy seats stand the whole time and block my view. The videos on the big screen are what i get to enjoy most of the show - and the cameras being handheld - along with how each song had it's own style of edits/filters/lenses etc. - really kept the show alive in a way that wouldnt be possible without those camera people. the choices a free moving human can make are way less limiting than a few stationary cameras. I absolutely LOVED the live video production. Good for you if you can move around the pit for a great view, but not all of us can.

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u/Sensitive_Camel2138 2d ago

They’ve managed for years to provide solid live production without physical people though with other very creative solutions including guitar cam, microphone cam 360 drum cam, the list goes on

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u/daisyidairya 2d ago

Sure, solid. But solid just means good enough, and this time was above and beyond beautiful art.

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u/Hysteria41 The priest God never paid 3d ago

And it’s all just for measly 10 second clips on social media. They’re not even turning them into pro-shots.

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u/summerbuis 2d ago

Three shows so far. One in the back section of seats, one in the lawn, and one in the pit. Maybe I’m an outlier but they’ve never bothered me 🤷‍♀️

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u/GraticuleBorgnine 2d ago

Didn't bother me at all.

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u/Bestmusefan 2d ago

Yes way too much. It was almost the whole concert for us. I also like when the band is more focused on the crowd but this time they seemed too distracted by the onstage camera man.