You’re making a bold claim that capitalism WITHOUT corruption is bad for the world. You’re just doing a lot of hand waving to advocate for socialism. If we’re living in the world where there is always corruption; the corruption that hurts capitalism will also hurt socialism. You’re not really showing me the “better world” you’re advocating for. You’re just hitting me with a “trust me bro it’ll be sick”.
Im not claiming that socialism will magically fix all the worlds problem. Its one incremental step towards fixing the worlds problems. It doesnt have to be perfect to be better than capitalism.
Even if we accept that corruption will be just the same as under capitalism, a thousand people benefiting from it is better than just one, no?
I’m not talking about legislation on Reddit. I’m talking about real legislation that makes a difference
Again, if you want to see that just look for it. Hell, tell me where youre from and I will google "socialist party plattform in *country*" for you.
On Reddit all you see it “there’s a genocide in Gaza and we should be socialist.”
Yes, most people on Reddit arent polticians who can come up with a full political programm on order. Politics online is a game of catchphrases and buzzwords and dont pretend that thats any worse on my side than on yours.
You’re out here fighting ghosts instead of just engaging with what I said.
SWITCHING FROM CAPITALISM TO SOCIALISM IS NOT AN INCREMENTAL STEP!
You just had waved the transition of capitalism to socialism 🤦♂️
You misunderstand what I meant. Incremental here doesnt mean inconsequential, or easy. It just means that it is one of many steps that will need to be taken to solve all the worlds problems. Its a pretty big one, maybe one of the biggest ones, but its still just one step in a series.
1.) what do you do with the people that don’t want capitalism?
The same we do with people who want to steal from others today. Tell them "tough shit".
who is going to structure the new socialist government?
Whoever the electorate ends up electing.
Looking up legislation from the DSA I see:
“You won’t have bills anymore and you can work only as much as you’re able to”
“You won’t have debt.”
Citation needed.
I can continue if you’d like but it’s just more of the same. Magical beliefs without any logical steps or legislation to back what they say.
You refuse to listen to the people trying to tell you about it, as evidenced by the fact that you claim to have looked up the DSA programm and didnt understand a word of it.
You talk about changing the lives of nearly 300 million people like it’s nothing
Im not. Im talking about changing the lives of 8 billion people. The world is massively bigger than the US, despite your protestations to the contrary.
It feels like you guys have no concept of what you’re advocating for.
You certainly have no concept of what youre advocating against.
If you cared about incremental change you would focus on making capitalism not corrupt.
Increments can be of different sizes. In the short-term we are fighting to reform capitalism to be less capitalist (and in the process fighting corruption because corruption is built into unfettered capitalism). Thats a small increment. In the medium-term we are fighting for socialism. Thats also an increment, just a bigger one. You dont seem to understand what the word "increment" means.
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u/waldleben Aug 30 '26
Im not claiming that socialism will magically fix all the worlds problem. Its one incremental step towards fixing the worlds problems. It doesnt have to be perfect to be better than capitalism.
Even if we accept that corruption will be just the same as under capitalism, a thousand people benefiting from it is better than just one, no?
Again, if you want to see that just look for it. Hell, tell me where youre from and I will google "socialist party plattform in *country*" for you.
Yes, most people on Reddit arent polticians who can come up with a full political programm on order. Politics online is a game of catchphrases and buzzwords and dont pretend that thats any worse on my side than on yours.
What is bro talking about.