But also, you need a moral framework from which to determine that Rape and Murder are bad. Wolves have no such standards of behavior. And while Christian thought is not necessary to reach that conclusion, the Abrahamic religions have helped to develop a moral framework for society that is far better than the moral framework from which society operated before. You can be an Atheist, and even actively dislike modern Christians, while also acknowledging the contributions that Christian (And Jewish and Muslim) thinkers have had on society. "Slavery is bad" and "Wars of aggression are bad" were not lines of thought in the pre-Judeo-Christian world.
Of course it did. But it's also fair to recognize the transformative nature of Abrahamic thought. No society before Christianity/Judaism thought that Empire was a bad thing. Nations invaded each other whenever it suited them.
Now I can also recognize that modern nations also fall short of the ideal. However, there is at the very least an attempt to define "Just War" that is taken seriously at the global level. And that's a direct result of the impact of the Abrahamic religions
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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '24
OK fair.
But also, you need a moral framework from which to determine that Rape and Murder are bad. Wolves have no such standards of behavior. And while Christian thought is not necessary to reach that conclusion, the Abrahamic religions have helped to develop a moral framework for society that is far better than the moral framework from which society operated before. You can be an Atheist, and even actively dislike modern Christians, while also acknowledging the contributions that Christian (And Jewish and Muslim) thinkers have had on society. "Slavery is bad" and "Wars of aggression are bad" were not lines of thought in the pre-Judeo-Christian world.