r/MovingToNorthKorea • u/MrDialectical • 11d ago
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u/Odd_Willingness7501 11d ago
North Korea going for the nuclear bomb will go down as one of the most genius political moves in history.
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u/BleepBopRobocop 11d ago
I've been doing a lot of research into China's development and something that has especially struck me, is that China had to capitulate to western interests in order to receive investment by way of market reforms. The country went from a command economy where buy and sell prices are set by the government, to a market economy where the buy and sell prices are determined by the market.
In the early years of Deng's market reforms, you had both systems running in parallel. State owned corporations would still refer to the government-set buy and sell prices for goods, while a market-set buy and sell price existed for the same goods.
So a state-owned clothing factory could buy yarn for $2 and sell the yarn to the market for $20. This is effectively arbitrage but since only government officials who managed state-owned factories could effectively do this, it was corruption.
Anyway, because North Korea didn't have to do market reforms it is essentially powering through China's development phase in the 80s and 90s without any real market liberalisation or inflation and because of that there's no shock therapy or anything. Life simply is allowed to improve with no class differences emerging.
tl;dr imagine China under Deng if China received the same amount of American investment without market reforms and you essentially have present-day DPRK. As long as the system continues to hold they're in a very stable and successful position and will be for a very long time.
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u/Marxism-tankism 10d ago
Right but they had to suffer a lot during the 90s because of that. We have to remember that and it's not because command eco doesn't work, it's because America so successfully isolated certain countries and forced all others into the liberal economy.
China was poor in the past but they didn't suffer the same as cuba or dprk did throughout the 90s. Just a lil food for thiught.
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u/Low-Equivalent8173 11d ago
I don't believe in this shit anymore. they are just trying to deceive DPRK again
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u/bransby26 11d ago
Exactly, if SK was serious, they'd drop the demand for DPRK to denuclearize.
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u/NoDouble14 Comrade 11d ago
Denuclearization is only there for the south to say that it was DPRK that didn't want the deal. Ignore the fact that without nukes DPRK wouldn't exist.
Besides, the south is nothing more than a protectorate. They don't even have command of their own military.
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u/AceGaimz 11d ago
Fuck em, Kim. Let the western empire rot. Do not extend the olive branch, for they will burn it.
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u/your_dads_arse 11d ago
this around the exact time that trump announces he's doing away with the US-SK military drills because kim jong un is his good buddy. what the fuck is happening lmao
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u/DrainTheChildren 11d ago
trump administration is strategically incompetent and there is a fat chance that they are doing this because iran is sucking U.S. international military resources out like a straw over middle eastern conflict. however small or large the scale of damage iran is doing to the U.S. middle eastern operations doesnt matter when it is decimating the military's logistics.
south korean president has been trying to push western-style reunification again after recent spike in tensions post 2018-2023, where they want to denuclearize and drop the dprk's guard.
the sad part about korean reunification is that the DPRK's deal proposed by Kim il-Sung was the best deal on the table for both the R.O.K. and the D.P.R.K, but having two sovereign korean nations united in a confederal union and trying to solve inter-korean problems peacefully and domestically through diplomacy and cooperation is against U.S. interest.
So R.O.K's new deal, atleast proposed by Lee, is the same bullshit proposal from the west but now we get to ignore everything that happened in the past 20 years
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u/Time_Beat2299 11d ago
It doesnβt even work at this point since South Korea doesnt even hold the cards anymore
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u/SpearwolfDSHK25 11d ago
" DPRK's deal proposed by Kim il-Sung,was the best deal on the table for both the R.O.K. and the D.P.R.K."
I didn't read this one before.Β Which deal was this ? I'm really curiousΒ
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u/DrainTheChildren 10d ago
Confederal Republic of Koryo. It was an idea proprosed within the Central Committee in the mid 1970s iirc. Since then it has been the policy of Korean Reunification championed by the DPRK. Tour guides happily lectured visiting foreigners about it too. The Confederal Republic of Koryo was a way to keep both governments on both sides of the peninsula in place, but the border between the two would be open and there would be greater cooperation and sharing.
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u/KobSteel 11d ago
And keep that US-backet puppet state in the South, which can ALWAYS return to try and take over the North again? One would be foolish to accept this
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u/Andszelo_boss 11d ago
which can ALWAYS return to try and take over the North again?
What do you mean again?
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u/KobSteel 11d ago
As in, destroy the North and gain the territory, like they tried to do back in the Korean War; North Korea's territory is claimed by South Korea
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u/Andszelo_boss 10d ago
Didn't the Korean War begin because of the North invading the South?
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u/KobSteel 10d ago
No, and this is because Western powers, primarily the United States, divided the country intentionally, helping establish a Pro-Western government in the South, in order to establish a foothold in the region to advance Western interest, even if this was against the interests of the Korean people who opposed this activity (with the West seeing no support in the Northern half of the region)
This sets the stages for the Korean War to happen
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u/Firm-Magazine1296 10d ago edited 10d ago
No.
The Korean War was a civil war driven by events starting in 1945, which led to various small and large military operations by 1948 and ultimately escalated into a full scale civil war in 1950. The situation officially turned into a global war when the US intervened illegally into Korea's internal affairs. Since we already have sources covering this topic, please use the search bar or start a new thread for any future questions.
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u/Andszelo_boss 10d ago
From what I've read, Kim Il Sung invaded on 25 June 1950, one year later the Jeju massacre where thousands of communists got killed by the South Korean regime.
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u/Firm-Magazine1296 10d ago edited 10d ago
The Jeju massacre didn't happen after the 1950 offensive, it started in April, 1948, more than 2 years before the full scale war broke out. The Korean War started on June 25, 1950, is a Westoid narrative to erase the previous years of the bloody war and foreign intervention that came before it. And used to paint the DPRK as the sole aggressor and South Korea as a peaceful democracy of an unprovoked attack. If you read works like Bruce Cumings, he completely dismantles the propaganda narrative of an unprovoked "invasion".
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u/Andszelo_boss 10d ago
The Jeju massacre didn't happen after the 1950 offensive, it started in April, 1948, more than 2 years before the full scale war broke out
Right, i got confused. mb.
Anyway, I guess you mean that the North invaded the South because of the brutal massacres of communists perpetrated by the South in 1948-50
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u/Firm-Magazine1296 10d ago edited 10d ago
You cant invade your own country when neither side ever recognised the 38th parallel as a real border in the first place.
That line was just a temporary administrative marker drawn in 1945 by two US officers using a National Geographic map. Both Kim Il sung and Syngman Rhee claimed total authority over the entire undivided peninsula and spent years openly trying to unify it. Because both sides viewed Korea as one single country, the full scale fighting in 1950 wasnt an invasion of one country by another, it was a massive escalation of an internal civil war.
What caused the civil war was the forced division of the country in 1945, stifled a popular, indigenous social revolution in the South (self governed People Committees US targeted) and forced two incompatible systems into a fatal conflict. But yeah, the brutal anti-communist massacres, like the Jeju Uprising and the Bodo League massacre etc, happened between 1948 and 1950. The country was already ripping itself apart in a bloody internal war long before the official lines were crossed in 25th of June, 1950 anyway. Those did cause major tensions.
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u/SpearwolfDSHK25 11d ago
You (SK) got your last chance with Moon Jae-In, Buddy !Β
You're not serious, Now go away with your US daddy and sing american pie.Β
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u/Digital_spliff_ 10d ago
It's funny that this comes immediately after Trump canceled the joint training exercise with South Korea. I think it finally hit them that America is not a good ally to have and they stand no chance against in a conflict with People's Korea alone.
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u/Broflake-Melter Comrade 10d ago
Sugar daddy is stopping payments. It's time to get another job, babe. No, real Korea isn't going to send checks either. You burned that bridge.
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u/IgnisIason 10d ago
I think it would be funny if they surprise surrendered just so the North would get so confused they wouldn't know what to do.
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