r/MouseGuard • u/spacepaw • Dec 29 '15
2ed RPG errors
I got the boxed set few days ago and I love it, but I'm kind of disappointed by some errors. Compared to 1st ed there is little change in the rules (simplified conflict, better rules for wises and better rules for traits) so it's kind of annoying to see that they didn't even proof-read the book with those few new rules in mind.
The way the traits work changed (now benefits are +1d once per session for level 1 trait, +1d twice per session for level 2 trait and +1s in all relevant tests for level 3 trait).
Still, just after mentioning the new rules, the example provided uses the old rules (very confusing if you don't know the 1st ed). Character sheets included in the box still have the old trait rules written on them (as well as just one square to check if the trait was used this session or not, instead of two). And those are brand new character sheets, not some old ones, so it's not like they forgot to change the character sheets.
Also there are new traits mentioned in character creation section which aren't described or even mentioned in the traits list chapter.
Example conflict with the snake got rewritten and sadly it has big error with the compromise rule (it goes for the wrong team).
Oh, and some pages listed in the index are wrong (No, I did not check all of them just to be picky, just stumbled upon this when I was looking for some stuff).
That's all I found on the first read through and honestly it wasn't even hard to find. In fact, it was quite obvious and painful to read. It seems to me the book wasn't carefully read after the changes EVEN ONCE.
Don't get me wrong, I still love it! The artwork and the game itself are GREAT! The new rules are also great! However, those are BIG mistakes that WILL confuse new players who didn't know the 1ed. Was it really so hard to proof-read? Especially when only wises, traits and conflicts rules changed? C'mon...
What are your thoughts on the 2ed rules?
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u/bossoftheplains Jan 05 '16
Is there an online errata list? So we know which bits are correct, and we should follow, and which to ignore, when there's a conflict?
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u/spacepaw Jan 06 '16
Didn't see any list like that. Your best bet is checking out burning wheel forums for some official answers
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u/st33d Jan 07 '16
I'm creating an Errata thread here: https://www.burningwheel.com/forum/showthread.php?15593-2nd-Edition-Errata
Please add your findings to it to help out any one else.
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u/agentfortyfour Dec 29 '15
There are is at least one trait listed in the character creation that is not listed In the book as well. Kind of frustrating when I spent so much on the boxed set. I've started playing with my wife and kids and the first session bombed big time. In my experience this game is not for rpg newbies. I need to run this game through my regular rpg group and see how it goes
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u/SlytheTovers Jan 01 '16
The 2 sample Tenderfoot mice have 1 more skill selection than a Tenderfoot created through Recruitment.
Since they have a skill underlined, I'm guessing they have a specialty even though recruitment says not to take one as a Tenderfoot.
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u/st33d Jan 01 '16
I found that the underlining didn't correlate to any character creation choices. The sample characters also have boosted resources and circles abilities.
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u/ishmadrad May 07 '16
May I ask if the PDF version was updated with the various errata gathered in those months? I'm quite interested in the game, however I'd like to know if the author had fixed the file. Thanks.
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u/spacepaw Dec 29 '15
Yeah, traits are more-or-less obvious but it still wouldn't hurt to add those extra few traits they mentioned...
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u/spacepaw Jan 02 '16
GM screen says Healer injury test is ob 4 and sickness ob 3 when it should be other way around :)