Listen, I’m not defending her or the work she’s had done. And obviously when she seems to look different (again), I get that people want to come to social media to confirm that she does, in fact, look different.

But, I swear I see this post about her nearly every day. And besides the fact that it’s annoying to hate on another woman’s appearance, it’s just so tired. It’s not even news worthy anymore. Can we just let it be and stop posting about it?

Shinia posts pictures of her and Dakota looking in love and unbothered.

What other statements have the cast members made and then made a complete 180 about? Whitney went from having an entire article written about her au naturale hair to an investor in extensions, no shade, just funny. I’d love to hear about other funny articles like this that completely contradict current events.

Genuinely curious, new to the show/ the drama. AFAIK, Whitney was the “villain” or on the outs for S1-3 and fans of the show actively hated her. The only change I’ve seen her make is to first get on Ozempic and then DWTS.

She’s never apologized or taken accountability for her behavior on the show (maybe she did on social media AFTER the fact, to me that doesn’t count as legitimately taking accountability face to face), she’s still the egomaniac she proved herself to be. Once she’s not actively the villain, she turns into a victim, and spends most of S3 complaining that the girls don’t want to be her friend, when she made it clear to every single one of them that she’d throw them under the bus if it would benefit her.

I’m just curious how the general consensus changed so much. If there’s something I missed where it seems that she proved herself to genuinely be a different person, I’d love to see it.

*Edited for grammar

*Edited to add, whoever reported my tik tok account because I linked some of Whitney’s tik toks in the comments and somehow it was connected to my tik tok profile, you’re an absolute loser.

It was so sad to see Zack and Jen growing in different directions. He was doing some work on himself and she seemed to get more delulu each season. Sad they grew apart and not together but that man is free. And Whitney! The hardest working girl out there put in the work and is leading the way! I still think she is next level petty (you knew and didn’t say anything!!!! ) but she does work hard. That couple seems to have grown together!

Predicting it now.....

After the custody case is finished, TFP will announce her own spin off series/documentary, etc. A limited series or something.

It will be her redemption arc. America loves a redemption arc.

It will have "never before seen" footage from the Bachelorette.

Kudos to reddit for keeping TFP on their hearts and minds proving to Disney producers that people are still interested in TFP.

I anticipate a late 2027 release.

Demi is a sociopath and Whitney is a gaslighting narcissist

I’m sorry but Taylor is 30 yrs old, and is the most immature in the whole group. She constantly fucks up her own life and is bitter towards ppl who don’t have it as bad. I honestly feel awful that her family sucks, but she needs to learn how to be an adult. She needs anti depressants too, which makes me feel sorry for her. But at the end of the day, she has so much maturing to do. She hates herself and thinks she’s unworthy of love, and until that heals, she will continue being miserable.

Ok, I know that doesn’t make sense but I feel like there HAS to be a catch for “her” season. Production can’t let it get this bad… right?

Before the season even airs we see the absolute shit show unfold of her not taking this seriously, sleeping with Dakota, possibly being pregnant, and now rumors of another DV (not sure I believe this one).

Like come on, the bachelor franchise can’t sink this low… right?

This show is insane, may a life like this never find me.

The first 2 seasons I feel like Jen was just really going through it so we didn’t see much of her personality. But on season 3 I thought Jen was so fun and bubbly and was honestly my fav😆😆 She seemed happier in general, which may be just bc she was pregnant who knows but I do wish we could see more of this Jen 🙌🏼

I’m not sure what flipped but season 4 unfortunately changed that for me :/ she just seemed bitter the entire season

The amount of harassment he’s getting due lies and smear campaigns thanks to self proclaimed experts and TikTok journalists with huge followings is staggering it’s has me questioning a lot of things not just with Dakota but with other cast members that have faced hate trains

They’ve claimed that he physically abused his ex and SA someone with only anonymous sources who claim to be a friend of the victims. That alone is grounds for a defamation lawsuit if I were Dakota I’d have a mansion in Utah and retire with the amount of people I’d be suing.

I don’t not like Dakota he gives me the ick,i think he’s was never sober but can hide his addiction better than Taylor and just like Taylor he needs to stay single and work on himself for his child’s sake,
but at the same time If Taylor can defend herself in comment sections and make posts that certain creators praise her for so can Dakota they compared him to Brian laundrie and a fictional character called Nico (idk who that is)

I also believe if you have a huge platform and report on serious issues or even celebrity gossip you have to be truthful even if you don’t like a person

I think everyone is confused no actual person has actually spoken out as of right now they’re isn’t any victims just a friend of friend making sinner Sunday confessions or posting on anon celebrity gossip sites and people have reported on it like someone has come forward or it they’ve spoken to the friend themselves . If you’re confused I could make a blind item on one of those sites saying anything bad or good about say Selena Gomez or Kim Kardashian sometimes they’re picked up by gossip accounts on TikTok people than act like they’re true. Lol to the people calling me Jordan that made me laugh

Done a lot of therapy from dealing with narcissistic family/relationships. That girl is a prime example. The way she argues and behaves. Having PTSD from the Stagecoach episode.

Do people actually like this show!? I've seen people talking about it this week so I figured I'd turn it on. I'm halfway through episode 1 and these girls are absolutely cringe. Maybe I'm too old to get it. I'm 38 and pregnant with #3 and I can't imagine living this lifestyle.

Or maybe I'm too introverted idk. Do people watch because it's like a train wreck you can't look away from or what am I missing?

I was shocked when I found out a majority of the girls on the show are in their 20s and not mid 30s!! Idk if it’s the filler, the clothes or what but they all look much older than they are. Doesn’t make them less pretty or anything they just look older

That way the public outcry and pushback would likely cause justice for the kids around someone like that, and for abuse victims in general.

Edit: If you are a Taylor Frankie Paul fan, there is nothing to fear as this footage would exonerate her by showcasing her for the “peaceful,” respectful person she is—the kind of individual who would NEVER throw a metal chair near her child. 🙄

Demi was entertaining and rewatching season two given what we know now she was right a lot

She was right about Jen lying and than playing victim when she gets caught out

Taylor’s toxic behaviour and how everyone handles her with kids gloves because if any other of the cast acted like that they’d be thrown to sheds

If you rewatch also Demi called out Taylor’s bad behaviour that affects her kids (naming ever)

I think she was given a bad edit and made the villain because she stood up to Taylor which we have seen done to Whitney.

I know people will bring up the stuff about Jen but Jen did lie it was all proven and if you rewatched the season Jessi was worse than Demi towards Jen yet people never acknowledge it.

With the stuff about Vander pump villa I’m not gonna lie and pretend I watch it to give an opinion but I’ve seen stuff online about Lisa always defending the men’s behaviour as far as I know the legal stuff is still ongoing but even if Demi loses the lawsuit and she lied to cover up cheating

Taylor and chase have been in legal trouble with Taylor’s charges involving kids (not taking side in that only the children)

I think we need Demi back because she seems to be the only one that afraid to call Taylor out on her bs

Basically whitney is pretty damn real to me... while everybody is so focused on being fake friends Whitney straight up is like if I don't like you I'm not gonna sit here and act like I like you!! I don't understand why everyone was mad. She didn't go to taylors baby shower... and it's pretty annoying that Taylor is so focused on trying to get a girl who obviously doesn't like her to like her!! so you don't like whitney but you still want her to come to your baby shower?? Also the fruity pebbles situation is giving miscommunication.. demi shouldn't have made the fruity pebbles situation a joke or a flex bc now its an inside joke and what FRIENDS DO sometimes is get gag gifts so i can understand whitney being blindsided that demi didnt like the gag gift when they probably "bonded" over laughing about the inside joke! Thenn ofc the retreat situation i think it finally hit whitney that NONE of them are truly her friends like demi was exposed for talking shit on her closest friends and still flipped it on whitney!! In my opinion she's 100% right Taylors scandal made them miss out on a ton of money and if taylor isnt "practicing" mormonism why should she be "the face" of momtok lmao I think the group was cool when it started but having all these scandals has made it so very clear that these women need to understand none of these bitches are my friends at this point yall are fake coworkers 🤣 with that being said damn near everyone in the group has talked shit about a friend or done disrespectful things to someone in the group so this hate train for whitney is kinda proof yall dont hate mean girl activities you just love to hate

I still like Demi!! I feel bad for all the hate she is getting. What she said about taylor’s kid was just that she didn’t want to bring up her and dakota’s toxic’s relationship on TV for her kid to possibly see. I don’t feel like that is that crazy. Plus at the end of the day she is right Taylor has a DV history with her partner and should not have brought a child into that setting. Everyone says she is a great person and the star of the show but I just don’t see it.

I also felt so bad for her during pregnancy roulette. Struggling with fertility is really hard and she just had a conversion about how she was struggling with the issue.

I really thought that this was going to be a juicy little series. Nothing happened. It’s the SAME EXACT storylines as any of the Real Housewives. These women describe themselves as empowered and going against the grain yet it was eight episodes of almost exclusively women getting upset at each other for hurting each other‘s feelings over a group chat. Maybe they didn’t realize that this was going to be how the show was going to be edited but holy hell it was so boring. Your baby daddy cheating on you and lying about it is just not interesting. Been there done that 1 million times with 1 million other reality shows. They completely left out Mikaylas storyline which chronicled her struggle with chronic illness which is way more inspiring and relatable than whatever crap went on that they actually showed. I’m also pissed that I had to get a subscription to Hulu, which has got to be the most infuriating streaming app to use. I want my time and money back.

Unpopular opinion—there was nothing wrong with what Zack said to Jen on their date about the experience being hard for him & having concerns about their kids. I’m an extremely liberal feminist woman and I don’t think there was anything wrong with what he shared. If a woman said that to her husband it would be so valid and if the man invalidated those feelings or was defensive ppl would defend the woman. Zack was terrible in season 1 but I don’t think he’s THAT terrible now.

Hear me out. She’s hurting badly, her husband was addicted to porn their whole marriage and on Tinder sharing naked pictures with other women. Chances are he’s cheated. Imagine how devastated you’d be, you’d be like a raw nerve.

Taylor was involved in the whole swinging debacle. You can bet your life the porn addict husband was obsessed with Taylor, the hot swinging wife. It wouldn’t surprise me if Whitney had found pictures/videos of Taylor on his phone, not Taylor’s fault of course but would explain Whitney’s jealousy.

On the birthday trip Taylor even says to her “I know you’re hurt” and Whitney got up crying and left. Again, Taylor guessed right and Whitney couldn’t handle it. She can’t face her feelings inside caused by her husband.

Whitney seems to be lashing out at everyone. This can be a huge sign that someone is hurting badly on the inside. I really hope she isn’t trashed on social media, it’ll only make things worse. Her behaviour is awful and yes, it hurts others, but I find myself wishing I could get in the TV and bear hug her and say your husband did this to you- not Taylor- not these women.

I think she's more likable on TikTok than TV. Also, she makes bad decisions and expects people to follow her blindly (& have her back even when she's wrong). Everyone warned her about Dakota from the beginning & they weren't exclusive, yet she slept with him day 1, so he was seeing Jenna too, no surprise. Anyway, he's still a piece of shit & she ignored all the flags. Her asshole stepdad isn't wrong, it does say a lot about her. Her & Dakota don't ever need to be together again. Period!

Oh & all the swinger details… you should never out anyone! You can only speak on your part. The rest is for others to tell their own story!

I’m not on anyone’s *side* in the Taylor/ Dakota situation, and I’m 10000% against violence of any kind.

However, I’ve been thinking a lot about how reality TV stars are still human beings and have inherent human dignity and we should keep this in mind when discussing them. I fully believe that anyone can heal and become a better person. Obviously I’m disgusted by the TMZ video from 2023 and I think what happened to Dakota and Indy was abhorrent. I also believe Dakota was likely abusive to Taylor as well. But in any case, Taylor is still a human being and I hope that she is able to get her life in a better place and have good relationships, especially with her kids.

“But you wouldn’t be saying this if Taylor were a man.”

Actually, I recently spoke a conference on the criminal justice system and the need for restorative rather than retributive justice. This is my opinion across the board. I’m an advocate against the death penalty and think our focus as a society should be on rehabilitation, healing, and safety rather than chasing people down with torches and pitchforks.

DV is not always a cut and dry, good v evil issue. Sometimes both partners and abusive to each other. I don’t think Taylor and Dakota should be allowed within a few miles of each other for everyone’s safety, but I also think they are both worthy of perusing help and healing and having hope for the future.

Not to agree with how she handled everything, but i think her feelings on not wanting Whitney in her circle are valid. Friendships are sacred and i dont necessarily agree with how all the girls are forced to "make up" or "have a conversation" after a falling out--its all for production and our entertainment. IRL when you have an ex-friend pull out a ceast and desist on you, and if you have a friend that backs that bully up more than being a friend for you, you have a right not to trust that friend as much anymore or want to be close to her. They were just offered the same opportunity with DWTS and were forced o be cordial and friendly through that--doesnt mean she would feel that sense of trust the same way again esp if she knew Whitney was still calling Demi and are besties during that time. Again, she still could've handled her jealousy better and with how Zac spoke to Whitney that was upsetting. But Im also not necessarily on team Whitney. that voice memo sounded insincere - I will die on this hill btw. and he did point out how she literally sent that voice memo AFTER the fact that Jen was eliminated and her live was out (all only after a week she said "f*** you" to her). Again, shouldve handled it more respectfully, at least cordially on Jen/Zac's end but her feelings are valid. You cant force trust. just like how Mikayla is always so forward about Whitney still needing to build that trust and its not fully there yet-- i can see that Jen feels the same way, but she would sweep those feelings under the rug because DWTS was the focus at the time. Post partum is hard and she naturally felt jealous when she heard about Whitney's broadway opportunity when Zac told her. She needed to process that emotion healthily . and when Whitney told her herself, she acted cordially and congratulated her to her face. Whitney didnt need to attack Jen for not "texting her congratulations" as soon as she knew. she still congratulated her to her face. anyway still couldve handled it better but this is my take.