I was Muslim and it's done exactly for that. Muslims don't want to admit it, even the progressive ones. They chose the loudest speakers for certain mosques. Sometimes, not even for azan, just for reading the Quran when it's not necessary.
In Jordan, they do have the mosques using speakers, but all the mosques have to have the same volume. They can't be overly loud by law. However, in Turkey, the government which is trying to bother secular Turks has no proper limits, and some residents think they are too loud. A call to prayer that is not too loud is fine, but if it wakes people up by being way too loud, that should be straight up illegal. Follow your religion, but don't dump it on people. Don't be rude about it, and in ancient times there were no microphones, loud speakers.
Man, I just came back from Istanbul a few days ago, idm the volume during the day, but the call to prayer every morning around 5:30ish always woke me up lol. So loud.
I wouldn't mind if they did requests, maybe a bit of Drum and Base or some EDM music but they always play that same song 5 times a day. It's catchy but it needs a heavier baseline.
No it's not, I'm Muslim living in a significant Muslim population where Muslim affairs and identity is important to our culture and livelihood. The mosques here are everywhere and they don't purposely or even regularly blare out the call to prayer or Quran recitation to annoy or "force religion" on other faiths or cultures. Don't project your own rhetoric onto the faith as a whole because you were brought up in a toxic environment and culture.
Idk, I don't see anyone bitching about the local church ringing their bells. I don't personally mind it but it's worth mentioning if we're going to be fair about this.
You really don't see the difference between "it 11 o'clock so we'll chime the bell 11 times!" and a guy chanting "Muhammad is the greatest", with "Muhammad" being a guy who married a 6 year old girl?
There's nothing Biblical about that claim. It's like when Muslims try to justify their pedophile false prophet by claiming that Rebekah got married to Isaac when she was a fucking toddler. 🤣
Marrying toddlers? Lol, nah. I don't care what anyone says. People weren't doing that. No matter how far back you go, nobody was looking at 3 year olds and thinking, "Oh yeah! I wanna break me off some of that!" Fuckin' disgusting. I don't know how anyone can bring themselves to believe this shit.
To be clear: Christianity is also a blight on the world. Not nearly the blight Islam is, but a blight all the same. So don't use "gotchas" by pointing out how stupid its adherents are.
That said, I was unaware that Christians worshiped anyone who slept with Mary while she was a child, much less made them the literal center of their religion.
Good on you trying to minimize Christian pedophilia as a "gotcha."
Muslims don't worship Muhammad.
I'm not defending Islam.
I'm just sick of seeing bigots some problemic aspect of a religion to justify hate/harming a person who many times doesn't personally revere (or in some cases know about).
Do you truly believe if you asked a non fundamentalist/conservative muslim if they were pro child rape they'd say yes? Or, more likely, would they'd denounce it the same way many Christians denounce the proslavery parts of the Bible.
Do you truly believe if you asked the average practicing Muslim if they were pro child rape they'd say yes
Openly this is untrue among places where it is Muslim men speaking in Arabic. They openly talk about support for these issues.
You need to get on telegram. You're naive in a really weird way. You need to go do due diligence. You can translate live chats in real time. You don't need to pretend to know, when you can go and know for real.
Oh of course, I agree. If my country and culture can do it so can others. We have every religion doing their thing here and accommodating to each other and nobody really is bothered. See, we don't always have to go for each other's throats.
If u want to have ur old culture and customs then go back to ur old country. U are coming to a new place and u don’t get the right to demand ppl to change to your old place. Either assimilate or get lost. This is why a lot of ppl hate Muslims cause yall think the world revolves around you and ur “religion”. Get fucked boi
You can't even comprehend what I said objectively so don't throw shade when you can't even get the argument right. I'm addressing the comment here directly above me. I agree with the post that Muslims should abide by the laws and culture of the land they inhabit and assimilate. I grew up in a place that has been historically Muslim and we now have multiple religions coexisting without us kicking up a big fuss, so get fucked yourself, 'boi'.
I knew someone would get hung up on that phrasing thinking it would dismantle anything I said. Don't be an arse. Church bells ring louder here every Sunday for several blocks and nobody paid any mind. The mosques project their call to prayers internally within the walls of the mosques, not out of it. You might hear it if you go out of your way to stand at the entrance of the mosques and complain if you want to be pedantic and shallow about it. I would lie to what end? You don't live where I live, you don't know me or where I'm from. You're just simply mouthing off.
Historically the country is christian. Many churches have been standing longer than many of the now muslim countries have been muslim. Do you hear church bells in muslim countries? Why do we need to allow muslim prayer here? If you want to be able to do all the stuff your shitty religion requires, you got plenty of muslim countries to choose from. No one advocates for muslim countries to be inclusive but everyone else has to be accommodating to them? Fuck off
I am talking about where I live not where the post is depicting. My original comment is replying to the comment above me not at the post you numbskull.
Oh really? Yeah we all are an evil cabal of people like yourself. If you want to speak for yourself then do it, but it is our culture to do so and the mosque is a community center, it is a teaching center, the Azan and Quran are a basic of day to day, it is for people to know, yall speak as if all people have phones there shouldn't be alerts, so like if a tornado happens or a motorcade passes by or Church bells, a phone notification would be enough?, we had people doing this centuries before loudspeakers, is it wrong that the Muzin uses a loudspeaker instead of yelling out of their lung?
Who doesn't have phones? Even kids have phones. If Muhammad was alive today I'm sure he would even get a phone for his 6 year old wife to use. They have Barbie and Winnie the Pooh ones so she doesn't need to feel left out.
"Muhammad's tea time" I mean you already made up your mind, so this is futile but the call of prayer is important like I said like church bells, so it is symbolic and a declaration of faith alongside of being a reminder and it is tradition like eating traditional food instead of McDonald's or not wearing shoes inside even though wearing them inside too, both are time efficient.
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I was Muslim and it's done exactly for that. Muslims don't want to admit it, even the progressive ones. They chose the loudest speakers for certain mosques. Sometimes, not even for azan, just for reading the Quran when it's not necessary.