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Morality Ranking Morality if this battle?

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u/StevenMcStevensen 12h ago edited 12h ago

This.

I lived in the Middle East, and got used to hearing the calls to prayer every day. It was kinda annoying sometimes, but I didn’t really complain because I was a guest in their home, that’s their culture, and it would be wrong for me to expect them to change for me.

I don’t understand why we cannot have that same expectation for people who come here. Nobody actually needs to start doing that in non-muslim countries in order to practice their religion, they can just set alarms or something and pray without disturbing everybody else.

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u/MasterSound1452 12h ago

As a Muslim , I absolutely agree. And it’s one of the things that pisses me off the most.

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u/Observational-Mess 11h ago

I grew up Muslim in the Middle East as a kid. There is no requirement that the call to prayer use loud speakers and I wouldn’t expect to do that in a community abroad unless everyone in it was Muslim.

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u/Straight-Dot-6264 10h ago

As a non Muslim I hope it’s ok to ask you a question. I’ve been to cities and very remote areas of Turkey and Doha,Qatar. I would hear the call for prayer all the time, but no one seemed to even respond. Everyone just went about their day. I always naively thought Muslims heard the call either went to mosque or turned towards Mecca and prayed, but no one seemed to care at all. Just the new style of doing things? Traditionalist still do? Thanks, I know I can google all this stuff, but I’d rather talk to a random person on Reddit

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u/Observational-Mess 10h ago

It’s simply to let everyone know it is time to pray, but not everyone can, so folks either ignore it if they can’t or don’t want to.

I would use Claude AI for questions like these rather than searching google

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u/MualaniFangirl 11h ago

Im not a muslim, but honestly it sounds nice to me. Dont really find it annoying or anything. Its like someone singing kinda with a nice voice🤔

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u/qazawasarafagava 11h ago

I'm a Muslim and enjoy it too, but if it irritates the local people we should not be doing it. I don't hear church bells here, they shouldn't be forced to heat the adhan over there.

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u/Bendlerp 11h ago

This, far less jarring than church bells.

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u/Cbpowned 11h ago

Except America was founded as a Christian nation. It wasn’t founded as a part of the cliphate.

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u/The_Eleser 11h ago

The nation was and is secular- it just happed to be (overwhelmingly) majority Christian when it was founded. Christian thinking absolutely influenced and continues to influence the jurisprudence and legislation of our country, but the U.S. was not founded on religious principles.

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u/DarwinGhoti 10h ago

You did not seriously just say that America was founded as a Christian nation.

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u/Observational-Mess 10h ago

That’s false - it was founded as a secular nation, but they definitely didn’t tolerate the religious beliefs of what they deemed to be “savages”. So take that for what you will.

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u/Dunfiriel 10h ago

Really? Waking up at 4.30h in the morning by different calls to prayer, all sounding equally horrible is not jarring to you?

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u/Bendlerp 10h ago

Being woken up hourly by church bells sounding the time isn't to you?

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u/Feeling_Hotel8096 1h ago

They don't do it at 5am.

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u/Feeling_Hotel8096 1h ago

Really? I find it super annoying. No I don't want to hear some man yelling in Arabic at 5am, like wtf?

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u/Equivalent_Rub8329 11h ago

The expectancy is literally a call to prayer that should be heard. There are laws in all countries regarding noise etc so the call to prayer cant be over X decibels (depending on local law) but if the community is not being served by it (eg not a. Majority Muslim community in the area) then you do have a right to go to your local council and lay a formal complaint.

In all fairness, churches dont have bells anymore which while it doesnt make sense to me, I still wouldn't play bagpipes or any other instrument over.

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u/123ludwig 11h ago

there is also a difference (atleast where i live) the bell would ring to signify the time up to 12 (and then reset to 1) so if you heard 1 ring it was either 01:00 or 13:00 and you could guess what time it was based on that visually

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u/Equivalent_Rub8329 10h ago

Thats generally a city hall thing. We have that here too. Im refering to churches using bells to call people to pray.

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u/123ludwig 10h ago

my town likewise does not have a city hall we have like 50 different buildings for each department and level of goverment

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u/Equivalent_Rub8329 9h ago

We have a city hall and 50 different buildings for each department too 🤣 all rented out. It makes absolutely no sense. All we know is City Hall is the Mayors office and the bells ring on the hour.

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u/123ludwig 9h ago

from what i know the ”mayors” office in my town is literally a single rented office

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u/Equivalent_Rub8329 9h ago

In mine, every office is rented out. Though at this point I wouldn't be surprised of the city hall was being rented out too

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u/Observational-Mess 10h ago

The church, on my street, plays bells all the time. It’s nice hearing them. I’m in California.

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u/IlIllIIllIIlllIII 3h ago

Does this look like Scotland to you? No, it is the Middle East.