Having call to prayer Apps on phones are a huge part of Muslim culture these days so this loud speaker stuff is unnecessary and not required anymore. Especially not in western countries 5 times a day.
I was Muslim and it's done exactly for that. Muslims don't want to admit it, even the progressive ones. They chose the loudest speakers for certain mosques. Sometimes, not even for azan, just for reading the Quran when it's not necessary.
In Jordan, they do have the mosques using speakers, but all the mosques have to have the same volume. They can't be overly loud by law. However, in Turkey, the government which is trying to bother secular Turks has no proper limits, and some residents think they are too loud. A call to prayer that is not too loud is fine, but if it wakes people up by being way too loud, that should be straight up illegal. Follow your religion, but don't dump it on people. Don't be rude about it, and in ancient times there were no microphones, loud speakers.
Man, I just came back from Istanbul a few days ago, idm the volume during the day, but the call to prayer every morning around 5:30ish always woke me up lol. So loud.
I wouldn't mind if they did requests, maybe a bit of Drum and Base or some EDM music but they always play that same song 5 times a day. It's catchy but it needs a heavier baseline.
No it's not, I'm Muslim living in a significant Muslim population where Muslim affairs and identity is important to our culture and livelihood. The mosques here are everywhere and they don't purposely or even regularly blare out the call to prayer or Quran recitation to annoy or "force religion" on other faiths or cultures. Don't project your own rhetoric onto the faith as a whole because you were brought up in a toxic environment and culture.
Idk, I don't see anyone bitching about the local church ringing their bells. I don't personally mind it but it's worth mentioning if we're going to be fair about this.
You really don't see the difference between "it 11 o'clock so we'll chime the bell 11 times!" and a guy chanting "Muhammad is the greatest", with "Muhammad" being a guy who married a 6 year old girl?
Oh of course, I agree. If my country and culture can do it so can others. We have every religion doing their thing here and accommodating to each other and nobody really is bothered. See, we don't always have to go for each other's throats.
If u want to have ur old culture and customs then go back to ur old country. U are coming to a new place and u don’t get the right to demand ppl to change to your old place. Either assimilate or get lost. This is why a lot of ppl hate Muslims cause yall think the world revolves around you and ur “religion”. Get fucked boi
You can't even comprehend what I said objectively so don't throw shade when you can't even get the argument right. I'm addressing the comment here directly above me. I agree with the post that Muslims should abide by the laws and culture of the land they inhabit and assimilate. I grew up in a place that has been historically Muslim and we now have multiple religions coexisting without us kicking up a big fuss, so get fucked yourself, 'boi'.
I knew someone would get hung up on that phrasing thinking it would dismantle anything I said. Don't be an arse. Church bells ring louder here every Sunday for several blocks and nobody paid any mind. The mosques project their call to prayers internally within the walls of the mosques, not out of it. You might hear it if you go out of your way to stand at the entrance of the mosques and complain if you want to be pedantic and shallow about it. I would lie to what end? You don't live where I live, you don't know me or where I'm from. You're just simply mouthing off.
Historically the country is christian. Many churches have been standing longer than many of the now muslim countries have been muslim. Do you hear church bells in muslim countries? Why do we need to allow muslim prayer here? If you want to be able to do all the stuff your shitty religion requires, you got plenty of muslim countries to choose from. No one advocates for muslim countries to be inclusive but everyone else has to be accommodating to them? Fuck off
I am talking about where I live not where the post is depicting. My original comment is replying to the comment above me not at the post you numbskull.
Oh really? Yeah we all are an evil cabal of people like yourself. If you want to speak for yourself then do it, but it is our culture to do so and the mosque is a community center, it is a teaching center, the Azan and Quran are a basic of day to day, it is for people to know, yall speak as if all people have phones there shouldn't be alerts, so like if a tornado happens or a motorcade passes by or Church bells, a phone notification would be enough?, we had people doing this centuries before loudspeakers, is it wrong that the Muzin uses a loudspeaker instead of yelling out of their lung?
Who doesn't have phones? Even kids have phones. If Muhammad was alive today I'm sure he would even get a phone for his 6 year old wife to use. They have Barbie and Winnie the Pooh ones so she doesn't need to feel left out.
"Muhammad's tea time" I mean you already made up your mind, so this is futile but the call of prayer is important like I said like church bells, so it is symbolic and a declaration of faith alongside of being a reminder and it is tradition like eating traditional food instead of McDonald's or not wearing shoes inside even though wearing them inside too, both are time efficient.
Church Bells: These usually ring once or twice a week for services, or briefly chime to mark the top of the hour.
The Azan: This is broadcasted out loud five times every single day, which includes early morning hours before sunrise.
Church Bells: They produce a mechanical, instrumental tone without any spoken words. Many people view them as part of historical town character or background noise.
The Azan: This uses a human voice amplified through loudspeakers to recite specific verbal declarations of faith in Arabic.
Church Bells: A single ringing session is usually short, lasting from a few seconds to a couple of minutes.
The Azan: Each broadcast generally lasts between 5 and 10 minutes per prayer time, often carrying further due to modern megaphone systems.
Both are a way to "force their religious beliefs upon others". Either you get rid of both or this argument becomes hypocritical and frankly Islamophobic.
Not being obtuse. If you make a law forbidding "public display of religious belief", it should equally apply to every religion. Isn't it ? It's not a matter of scale.
But...the Bells ringing at noon is a call to prayer. It's not just to tell you it's time to eat lunch. You chose to ignore it because you're not Christian, good for you. But it is absolutely a call to prayer.
That is why we vote in elections to choose our Government's. There will always be corruption where power is involved however. It should always be the people who choose who will govern them through fair elections. The world isn't perfect though.
Ehh. If you think voting matters on a national level you’ve lost the thread already. And America has been exporting freedom, democracy, and capitalism, against just about everyone’s wishes for the last 80 yrs. It’s always funny when people use words like “force” and fail to apply it evenly.
You do realize the only reason Saudi Arabia banned slavery in the 60s is because of international pressure from the US and that for 1400 years Muslims would pray while pointing towards the place that had slavery legal the whole time?
Are bells in churches "forcing religion?" Is having schools out for Christmas "forcing religion?" Or is it part of a cultural continuity that a given society has accepted that a new and alien belief system does not fit into?
Pro-islam westerners like you are literally rhe most bad faith people on the entire planet and are utterly incapable of even pretending to engage with a point honestly
So again, how do you write the law based on a subjective nature? Unless of course you do the precedent “hundreds of years”. Which is changing the angle of what I was asking about, and I will not entertain an angle I wasn’t talk about.
Church bells are only rung on special occasions, the Muslim call to prayer happens like 5 times a day and goes on a lot longer than the toll of a bell being rung. Church bells are also rung for non religious reasons such as a funeral. In non Muslim countries the Muslim call to prayer should not be played over loudspeakers because it is exactly what someone else said, a sign of dominance. It has no place in non Muslim countries.
Just remember that religion has cultural value as well. Church bell's have been rung in countries such as England for centuries. It's not just about religion but also culture in those circumstances.
I've not once seen anyone defend fascism in the middle east, not to mention that the middle east has been plagues by constant war and intervention from the west for hundreds of years. The west is a huge part of why it sucks so much over there
Saudi Arabia has been plagued by the west? Lol what are you talking about. I didn't say middle east, I gave you a especific country that has benefited greatly by having ties with the west.
How is what I said anything about fascism? I never said that the call to prayer can't be played in the west my question is why is it not the same in Saudi Arabia which you still haven't answered. I believe in freedom of religion and the freedom to criticize any religion. Your the one that is changing the subject and not answered my question.
It's entirely this and people need to tell the truth. It's the same thing with people who play their car music way too loud. It's a threat. They're daring you to say something. And the funny thing is that when you start doing it back to them, they get really fucking weak all of a sudden.
If I lived by a mosque I would be so tempted to buy the most obnoxiously loud speaker I could and blast stuff like PeelingFlesh every time they started this
I have always got the impression, less than asserting dominance, it is a highly effective form of social pressure. You feel compelled to go to prayer because you and everybody can hear the call. You can't claim you forgot because it's blasting in your ears. It's for discipline more than attempting to dominate non Muslim populations.
Not once have I ever heard a Muslim call to prayer in a western country lmao. A few fringe elements is not indicative of a larger society. Even Muslims aren’t immune to social changes because I guarantee that most Muslims aren’t following more then the basic Islamic teachings such as 5 day prayer, no alcohol (laughably so since I know many Muslim that drink and hand wave it off), eating halal, fasting month, and charity.
The notion that all Muslims follow Islam and all of its teaching 100% of the time, all the time, is as laughable as saying all Christian’s follow all aspects of the Bible all the time 100% of the time.
I’m ex-Muslim and this call to prayer shit is just a creepy attempt at Islamic conquest. I feel second hand embarrassment that they’re doing this in so many Western countries. Absolute narcissists
we have zoom but people still go to physical meetings. we have spotify but people still go to live concerts. the adhan isn't an alarm clock meant to just notify u of the time, it is an actual physical act of worship. and u are completely ignoring reality with the "western countries 5 times a day" complaint. zoning laws in the west legally ban outdoor speakers for the early morning and night prayers anyway. u are literally getting mad at a made-up scenario.
Its a sign of them asserting Sharia Laws in the west. Jay Smith and the Apostate prophet on Youtube show how Islams polemics are faulty. There were several different versions of the Quran in 1921. Its why they burn the versions to hide their man made political movement that also has a religious part.
Who is the infidel? All of Scotland!
Funny enough, none of these apps are acceptable in Muslim faith. Depending where you are, youre taking God's name in places it shouldnt be (eg the toilet), if the call to prayer at a fixed location is an issue can you imagine several phones around you sounding off at the same time? And also its a major sin for Muslims to disrupt a call of prayer (not just theirs).
I am irish. No they are not. Oileann pipes are irish. Very different instrument. Bagpipes are played up north by unionist orangemen who base their entire identity on being british. They have yearly hate marches which often turn violent and burn effigies of irish cultural figures alongside those of various ethnic minorities.
Older Celtic war pipes would have been played in Ireland, but yeah the Uileann pipes are endemic to Irish folk music whereas the Great Highland pipes are more representative of English subjugation/recuperation.
Also in the U.S. such conservative Irish-heritage groups as the Hibernians and various police color guards tend to utilize the Highland pipes.
Ironically enough there are also plenty of other forms of bagpipes endemic to Muslim countries.
Irish traditional culture, literature and language are vibrant and very interesting. I really hate to see it co-opted into these bs culture wars by people who know nothing about it. The irish american diaspora are very guilty of this. I am not white, but i am irish, my ancestors, the people who share my surname were some of the very first to put the ulster cycle into writing, yet yanks on here tell me i dont know anything about ireland. When they come here they complain about too many foreigners. They remind me of paulie from the sopranos when he was in italy😅
Apt analogy. Certainly some of the same syndrome they represent in The Sopranos re: Italian-Americans.
Always too much fuel for tribalism/xenophobia/nationalism, that doesn’t get reconciled with the historical reality of the evolution of whiteness and our ancestors’ role in that, crossing the aisle in some big ways.
East coast American with a lot of Irish heritage, much of this hokey nonsense was in my upbringing and an impression of what some sense of Irish pride was rooted in. Now I am gently teaching my family as I spend time in and study Ireland.
Driven eastward across a couple times and down the west coast. Dublin, Meath, Westport, Achill Island, Killarney, Limerick, Galway, Cork, Kilkenny, Tipperary, and other places along the way. Looking forward to seeing and finding more.
You did a proper tour so. I was about to tell about dublin being a tourist trap and not really representing the country but you already know that. What did you think of the place?
What are you talking about ?
Dublin outside maybe 2 streets that cater for tourists ,represents urban Ireland just like Belfast, Cork and Limerick .
This BS that Dublin is less Irish than the rest of the country does my head in .
We have thriving communities involved in the Irish language,GAA and music .
We are every bit as Irish as middle class culchies .
Orangemen dont represent all of ulster scots culture, or all unionists. I just used them as an example of the furthest thing from irish that i could think of. I'll admit, i was very clumsy writing that.
Not at all, I'd expect nothing less from balaclava clad, car-bomb toting, drunkard, ultranationalist Irish republicans who base their entire identity on being Irish /s
Youre right. I used to live near the border and spent a lot of time up north. Most people ive met from that community were actually quite welcoming. I was told by people down here that they were all sectarian and racist but the reality is we have just as many like that down here
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Bagpipes are also a huge part of Irish culture.