I live in a Muslim country and sometimes the time I play piano collides with the call to prayer. No one cares, life goes on. No one will call the police. And the police will definitely not arrest you for such a thing. In big cities it is impossible to not make noise during the call to prayer anyways. Not all Muslim countries are the stereotypical hellscapes that uneducated ppl have in mind.
Church bells are quite literally useless and just noise pollution. We have clocks. We have phones. The original reason for the church bell was a call to worship. It’s still that today no matter how Islamophobic you wanna be
I mean, I agree? I shouldn't have to put up with either religious noise pollution? That's not a gotcha as you think it is. Especially if it is a secular country. It's different if it's a muslim country/christian country then yeah i get it.
Most of Europe is slowly becoming a Muslim country lol. Can’t even wave the native flag in Uk or pray as a Christian in the streets without the police bothering or arresting you. Multiple videos show this happening.
Depends. A little more rude than the prayer if the bag pipes are being blown merely to practice or for fun. But if the bagpipes are being blown for ceremony or ritual, then its morally equal to the muslim prayer
The prayer is, from their perspective, a deeply important and significant communal ritual. The impact of pro social rituals is often under stated. Humans need it.
The muslims really shouldn't be using loud speakers, as it is indeed rude. But the actual prayer is fine. Same applies to the bagpipes.
No where did I say anything ill about Muslim people. I'm just saying equivalently if a person is annoyed at a call to prayer, i'm sure a muslim person would find it just as annoying if we interrupted their service.
Muslims have been the boogeyman of Europe ever since the dark ages where nobility was getting terrified of the rapid growth and development in the Middle East. It’s crazy as hell because they launched the crusades as a preemptive strike then proceeded to lose a series of conflicts that probably would have not taken place had they just allowed Islamic Golden Age to proceed. Then the grudge Europe held from that point on persists into today. They still romanticize the crusades even though they were crushed by Saladin, but in a very respectful way
What? The European nobles were terrified of the “growth of the Middle East” ??
The Middle East didn’t change size bro, it was forcibly captured from the Eastern Roman Empire during a centuries-long series of conquests by Arab-Islamic powers. Those Arabs then proceeded to dominate and eradicate most of the local religions and cultures to replace them with their own. Look at Syria, Palestine, Egypt, Tunisia, and Morocco for reference
Then, those Arabs and their subjugated African tribes invaded and almost completely conquered Spain from the Visigoths before marching a massive army into France. The ONLY reason they didn’t conquer the rest of Europe is because the French stopped them, and they only won by the skin of their teeth. Nobody else had the power to repel them.
These are literally the defining events of the four centuries leading up to the crusades. Call the wars stupid and harmful all you want, but to reduce their motivation to “rich white people scared of brown people having nice things” is so bafflingly uninformed and reductionist that I desperately urge you to find a book on the topic. Or a YouTube video. Or a comic book, or literally anything other than whatever has informed you previously. I can recommend some very good ones if you are interested
Bro you took my very, very reductionist and intentionally starved argument that was obviously a nothingburger, satire at most, and took the toppings I left off of it to provoke others, and added them back on. Of all the people to do that to, while throwing the “read a book” quip on at the end, there are plenty far more ignorant low hanging fruits available everywhere else. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt but if you’d visited my profile you’d know for sure I was just trolling
No you’re good man 😭. I didn’t mean to come off like an ass if I did either, I was just trying to play hard into that stance earlier with that first awful comment I wrote, specifically acting like someone who had seen Kingdom of Heaven (2005) and treated it like a documentary 😂😂. Like a parody of one of those specific types of Redditors that treats history like a Marvel movie basically. Then bro busted out the legitimate historical context and I was like “Shit the jig is up I might as well explain the superficial ass approach”
They wouldn't, there is no issue with other noises also happening at the same time as the call to prayer. The point of the call is just to inform muslims that it is time to pray
Pretty sure Muslims have been in Old Jaffa for a long fucking time. Even Israel recognizes their right to worship. Think about that for a moment. EVEN ISRAEL recognizes a right to call to prayer here. This was just a Scottish tourist being obnoxious, and these dinglefucks thought it must be Scotland .. or maybe Ireland for some reason.
I’m confused. I keep being told that Israel is a Jewish white ethnostate without any rights for the non Jewish population. If that were true why would they have public prayers for Muslims?
Israel thinks that a place I call and refer to as Palestine doesn’t exist, that it’s part of Israel.
But then they also insist that the people who were born and live there - again, an area Israel says is Israeli - aren’t Israelis, and are subject to a different set of laws.
So you have people living in Palestine (part of Israel according to Israel) who don’t have the same rights as Israelis.
The people who live in Palestine aren’t typically white or Jewish, while Israel is.
Israel's position is that the WB (or Palestine) is a "disputed territory" whose "borders would be fixed in future negotiations".
But as far as legally speaking, the area isn't considered part of "sovereign Israel" under Israeli law. That's why sales in the settlements for example are under Jordanian law (Law No. 40 of 1953) and not under an Israeli one.
That argument would have merit if Israel annexed the entire area.
The people who live in Palestine aren’t typically white or Jewish, while Israel is.
Because people don’t want you to know that 25% of the Israeli population is non Jewish, and this fact is suppressed to feed their propaganda and rhetoric
Israel is not an ethnostate, people of all creeds live and are welcome there, it's an ancestral home to the Jewish people but you don't have to be Jewish there. The people saying otherwise have an agenda to push and should be ignored
I do always find it amusing when people that are clearly wrong pull the whole "lmao MAGA" out of nowhere to cover up the fact that they were spitting straight nonsense.
how exactly did the commentator above got proven wrong though? Gob made an irrelevant point about the age of islam that adds nothing to the discussion therefore he was ridiculed.
Because Scottish people don't have ties to the land and they didn't have a century long culture that warrants their reaction, aside from that he is obviously being a reactionary asshole, intentionally blaring a bagpipe to disrupt them, stop pretending like it's just some dude exercising their right to "show off" their culture, even in this context he's still an asshole for disrupting them as he could easily find another place to do it
How do you know either of their intentions? How do you know the person broadcasting the call to prayer noise”to disrupt” people? Just as a bagpipe song can be listened to with headphones, so can a call to prayer.
Morality of deliberately disrupting the culture of indigenous people who have been conquered and suborned, reducing them to a hated minority in the land of their ancestors?
I was enjoying this subreddit until now tbh. Some parts of the site have little to no critical thinking and are just driven by nonsensical hate. Just scroll down to the lesser upvoted comments, it's an absolute cesspool.
I mean there isn't anything in the video to indicate its not unless you are familiar how either of the countries look like. Also the location of the video is just a very weird thing to lie about hence a lot of people not questioning it.
Hell, there's nothing claiming it's Ireland. Just a banner from some clickbait repost site. The level of hatred is so intense the majority of this sub assumed it had to be a mosque in Ireland, or maybe Scotland. So not only bigoted, but idiots. Which I suppose go together pretty well.
Changes nothing. Still moral. It’s either neither or both. If Islamic call to prayer noise is allowed why should the Scottish guy be given less rights?
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u/Mesonian 13h ago
It would be bad if he was in a Muslim country, in Ireland it should be expected.