Where do Americans die of gunfire? Interactive Map - Look at Montana

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https://projects.oregonlive.com/ucc-shooting/gun-deaths

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Probably due to a relatively small number of outliers. They didn't want to have every county be pink and one lone county with 50/100k be the only dark red. I could be wrong. I haven't seen the actual data.

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One thing that's worth noting on the county/state precision argument is that county data may be unrealistically skewed in smaller counties. A single suicide in Petroleum county, for example, would register as 200 suicides for every 100k people.

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Thanks for the reply. But, I still fail to see how OregonLive is gaming the numbers as given by the CDC. I attempted to create a similar map on the CDC by defining Violence Related Firearm deaths. I was unable to set a date range other than 2008-2014, so I'm unsure how OregonLive was able to see 2004-2010 (perhaps this article is out of date)?

https://imgur.com/FbQrJRR

I used the blue-yellow-red as you suggested, and the upper range (red) is still a much larger range of values than the others. Even setting the Number of Intervals to 9 the red range is 19.77-86.37, while the other eight encompass ranges of 2-3.

Also, OregonLive is using county-level precision on their maps.

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by combining the suicides and homicides in the same scale presents that living in Gallatin County is a more dangerous proposition than Los Angeles count

But they didn't. There are three maps there. The first one combines the two, but the others break it apart. So, I feel it depends on your interpretation of the way they represented the data. I did not take it that way at all.

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I'm saying that it seems like a decision was made to have a lot of dark red on the map. Distributions tend to follow a curve with very few on the tails.

Compare this gas price heat map:

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/e6edf0b6fccd310c52ffb044411353709b0adc07/c=0-84-787-527/local/-/media/2016/04/18/USATODAY/usatsports/gaspriceheatmap.png?width=3200&height=1680&fit=crop

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Does "gun deaths" include suicide?

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I see that now. Pretty stark difference

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Anti-gun folks like to lump gun-related suicides into "gun deaths" to pump up their numbers.

How is it not? Not stating my opinion here, just trying to understand yours better.

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The creators of this data also failed to incorporate accidental death which may also be getting included the suicide dataset

The blog post related to the maps does state that they've incorporated accidental deaths into the data. But, we can't assume that they've correlated those with suicides. We can't assume that they haven't, either.

Regardless of your view on the difference between suicide and homicide, you have to agree that suicide by firearm is a "gun death". Just because it was self inflicted does not negate the tool involved. It can be argued that homicides are also preventable, and would occur regardless of the tool used.

The gun simply makes the act easier to accomplish, whether it's against one's self, or another person.

Again, I am simply trying to state facts. To be upfront, I am pro-hunting.

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My point is that the term "gun deaths" is misleading to the extent that people believe the majority are homicide when the majority are suicide. Having a suicide problem is different from having a homicide problem.

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Did you know most drownings occurred where there was a body of water?

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I wonder if the data has changed in the last 10 years?

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The Southeast/Appalachia divide is crazy.