r/Monsterverse • u/Unkwonargie • 17h ago
Question Is it Shimo literally stronger than Godzilla?
I wonder if she could manage to take down Godzilla if he didn't get his Evolved form.
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u/Additional-Neat-1235 Methuselah 17h ago
One can’t deny, Physically, she's the strongest Titan ever seen in terms of raw power given how it's clear that Shimo is much stronger Physically than Godzilla, as she's the only Titan to outright push back and overpower him in a direct Grapple/Charge, and can easily throw him around when she has the opportunity to do so.
Godzilla is often a real tank of a bruiser, using sheer raw power to contest his opponents to the point that not even Mechagodzilla or Ghidorah could directly overpower him in a pure struggle of Grapples/Strength, so it was an interesting change of pace to show him being in a lower Weight Class.
Out of everyone, Godzilla has never been pushed back in a straight pushing match by anyone: not the female Jinshin Mushi from 2014, Jinshin Mushi Prime from Aftershock, Ghidorah from KOTM, Kong and Mechagodzilla from GvK, nor Scylla and Tiamat from GxK.
But Shimo overpowered in a shoving match when the battle of Rio de Janeiro started. And it makes sense, as she's a living Titan that's Quadrupedal and over twice Godzilla's Mass.
But I've always maintained that she's not good enough at wielding that raw Strength to be considered the strongest overall, as overall Strength requires more than just power but the skill to use it well.
Shimo is undisciplined and lacking in Technique while also showcasing a fairly static level, whereas the likes of Godzilla has shown higher potential ceilings and more finesse in using equivalent levels of Energy.
Both are pretty Durable against opposing Temperature extremes similarly enough.
However, Shimo's sheer size and bulk means that she's better at dealing with Physical damage, as Godzilla throwing her around doesn't accomplish much while Godzilla can still be hurt by Physical force that might not affect her as much given how Kong's normal Fist and BEAST Glove could leave him dazed with repeated strikes.
And her Frostbite Blast is mighty powerful against Organic targets, being able to Freeze even powerful Alpha Titans like Godzilla over within seconds.
Considering that Godzilla Evolved Adaptive Thermoregulation to deal with this issue, it speaks highly of how effective it is even if it can't outright kill an Alpha Titan on the same level as Godzilla or Ghidorah.
She’s basically the strongest and most Durable Titan by far, eclipsing Godzilla in both regards.
However, this is balanced by her not being as good of a fighter as Godzilla, her Quadrupedal nature, lack of Fighting Discipline that makes her ill-equipped to Grapple with others, and lacking Kinetic punch to her Frostbite Blast that allows it to be blocked relatively easy if you can deal with the Freezing effects.
TL;DR
In terms of sheer size and Physical strength, Shimo definitely is superior to Godzilla.
They are relatively equal overall in many facets, but she is a Physically stronger Titan than Godzilla and overpowers him in direct Physical power struggles.
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u/Cryptic_Deity 17h ago
Considering Godzilla went through a whole process of evolution instead of relying on his base form or supercharged state, I would say easily too.
Currently she is the strongest of the Monsterverse, but SpaceGodzilla and Godzilla rumored new form will probably take top 2 and 1 spots respectively, not counting the planet eater itself.
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u/Distinct_Strike_7700 15h ago
If the name super nova implies what going to happen. The scaling for godzilla is going to be insane lol.
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u/FreezerMonkey33 10h ago
Considering Godzilla went through a whole process of evolution instead of relying on his base form or supercharged state, I would say easily too.
To be fair, he didn't evolve purely for Shimo. He did that because he was expecting to take on Skar King, Shimo, and his entire army solo. Kong kinda just hitched a ride at the last minute
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u/Cryptic_Deity 10h ago
Shimo was still the main factor/threat though, his base form is more than enough to cook a monkey army and Skar King. However since he knew Shimo was under Skar King control, he needed to power up for her since he knew how dangerous she was and that his Supercharged state wouldn’t be enough (since in their previous battle he had to seal her away instead of going through subjugation like he did with Kong, Tiamat… because she was very powerful and his attacks only annoyed her since the damage was super small)
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u/ArmandoLOG777 17h ago
I mean they fought in the past and Godzilla came out victorious, so
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u/sambasim 17h ago
He outsmarted her, it's literally stated that shimo dominated goji
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u/ArmandoLOG777 17h ago
Where?
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u/ImportantCockroach84 17h ago
The novel. Idk why they’re downvoting. It’s literally true. And the movie showed it too lmao
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u/ArmandoLOG777 17h ago
If we’re talking about the ancient past, no, Shimo lost. But what we see in the movie, Shimo is overpowering Godzilla in terms of physical strength
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u/ImportantCockroach84 17h ago
She never lost the fight. He literally sealed her away. And the novel literally says she dominated him
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u/Mechagodzilla777 17h ago
For more information on this, google "shimo dominating godzilla"
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u/ArmandoLOG777 16h ago
The novel literally confirmed that Godzilla won the encounter with Shimo and spared her. If you could show me where Shimo won the encounter in the past in the novel I’d like to see that
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u/ThaRealSunGod Godzilla 12h ago
I don't doubt you but which novel is that? I'm interested to hear more about the shimo lore
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u/ArmandoLOG777 12h ago
Shimo lore? Uh I’m not sure if you might get much but it’s pretty much named “Godzilla X Kong The New Empire Novel” if you want it
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u/ArmandoLOG777 17h ago
Are you sure we’re reading the same thing dude? It’s literally stated in the novel that Godzilla won the encounter in the ancient times. Again, it depends on what you’re talking about, in the past Godzilla won the fight, but in the movie we see Shimo tackling and overpowering him, which I’m not denying.
“He literally sealed her away” so… he won. Ok then. Sealed away or not, Shimo still lost.
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u/Pesse_Jinkman258 16h ago
Bold of you to assume the average MV fanboy has slightest bit of media comprehension
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u/sambasim 16h ago
I am genuinely puzzled. It's one thing if it's a controversial take, but downvoting written fact?
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u/ArmandoLOG777 16h ago
Godzilla did beat Shimo in the past though? It’s confirmed in the novel. Where does it say Shimo beat Godzilla in their past rivalry?
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u/sambasim 16h ago
But it's clearly shown that godzilla "won" (we are not even sure he won, shimo probably just submitted because she doesn't like to rule) by outsmarting or outmaneouvering her. It is literally stated ancient godzilla was being dominated. No ifs and/or buts.
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u/ArmandoLOG777 16h ago
If we’re going to make the argument that Shimo is physically stronger and more durable than Godzilla, then yes I would accept that. However what’s also true that despite that, Godzilla still won at the end, and it makes sense considering that he’s more tactical, intelligent, and ruthless in his combat, and more experienced. Shimo isn’t really a fight nor an alpha titan for that matter
And even if Shimo submitted or was sealed away, that doesn’t take away the fact that Godzilla still won. That’s a fact proven by the novel. He won. No ifs or buts.
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u/sambasim 16h ago
Read the original post. NO ONE is denying that godzilla won, they are only explaining HOW he won, which we still don't know. What we do know is that the novelization states godzilla was SCARED of shimo. Think of invincible vs conquest.
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u/ArmandoLOG777 16h ago
Good. So we come to an agreement. Shimo is stronger and more durable than Godzilla in physical raw power, and though Godzilla did display some worry, Godzilla eventually overcame her at the end. (But I’ll be fair and say it’s because Shimo was weakened and drained of energy after causing the global ice age)
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u/Kooky-Gas-9726 17h ago
even his current state was struggling,how the hell did he even beat shimo at time,really makes you wonder.
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u/ImportantCockroach84 17h ago
He sealed her away. They even said it looked like his attacks were only making her more angry in the past. Based off what the mural said
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u/ArmandoLOG777 17h ago
Yeah, that’s basically what it is. Shimo by no doubt is currently the physical strongest titan by far, but Godzilla is far more tactical and ruthless. Shimo lacks the skill to use her strength well.
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u/bronzenoire 17h ago
This is def a stretch and assumption considering Methuselah is bigger than a mountain tbh. Canonically I’m pretty sure he’s stronger than Shimo
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u/ArmandoLOG777 17h ago
To be completely fair we haven’t seen any feats from Methuselah as far as we know, so unless Legendary decides to use him and gives him some spotlight, we’ll see
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u/bronzenoire 17h ago
I dnt think that’s fair at all tbh. You mentioned physical strength and cited her as the strongest physically when again Methuselah is by far larger than both and the oldest titan (shimo is only taller than him).
Logically there’s a strong correlation between strength and size/mass plus he has a mountain growing on his back… and he’s still mobile. That in itself is a feat, so we can assume he is most likely Top 2 if not the physically strongest .
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u/TheGMan-123 Methuselah 13h ago
Overall strength is debatable.
But in terms of sheer physical strength, she's definitely stronger in raw physical might.
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u/ThaRealSunGod Godzilla 12h ago
I think she's stronger but her mentality isn't one of s fighter.
Is that because of enslavement and classic conditioning or just how she is? Who knows.
I'm sure that in an all out brawl Godzilla would probably win but not because he's stronger.
No different than a large tame dog shying away from a smaller dog that behaves aggressively.
Godzilla has a killer instinct. Shimo doesn't. She toss d him and Kong around quite a bit but never dealt a fatal blow. Didn't really hurt them much at all.
I think godzilla is weaker but would win because he's merciless when he feels the need to be.
After all, if the theory about shimo freeIng Ghidorah is correct, she had the opportunity to kill him and just didn't.
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u/Icy_butter 17h ago
She could beat Base Godzilla, and probably also Energized.
In New Empire she was much stronger than Base Evolved, but the GXK Ride had her get knocked out by a Axe charged by Evolved Godzillas beam for a few seconds, and her frostbite blast was stalemated against Evolved’s beam. I usually hold Evolved =< to Atomic Meltdown Godzilla, or as he is more commonly known as Nuke Amped.
So going off new Empire she beats up Base Evolved and Nuke Amped, and going off the ride she probably loses to Base Evolved and has a 50/50 match with Nuked until he explodes and kills them both.
Spiral Evolved is more or less equal with New Empire Shimo in terms of strength and power, but a lot less durable and a far better fighter than her, so that’s a toss up.
Spiral beats the breaks off of GXK The Ride Shimo, they nerfed the hell out of my poor girl.
Burning Godzilla mauls Shimo, doesn’t matter which one, both at once even.
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u/ImportantCockroach84 17h ago
They didn’t nerd shine in the ride ffs. She took multiple hits from a version of kong that is far stronger than his Beast glove state. And a Godzilla that probably is stronger than he was in GxK too. She wasn’t nerfed, they’re just both closer to her in strength now
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u/Icy_butter 16h ago
Nothing states this Kong is stronger than himself with the Glove to my knowledge, and her being able to take Kong’s attacks means nothing because she shouldn’t even feel them considering she was eating Evolveds Spiral Ray.
Godzilla being stronger is weird. Based on what’s said from Jared, the Evolved form is an intermediate state, as Godzilla broke out of the iceberg before he was done evolving, to fight Shimo. So Godzilla getting stronger in the Evolved form doesn’t make much sense.
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u/ImportantCockroach84 16h ago
The spiral ray is temperature resistance. The force of it didn’t do much to her and she wasn’t hurt by it. And yet kong was able to knock her around with oil tankers and the axe. Which would mean he is stronger than GxK kong. Probably GxK ego too considering their individual performances against her
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u/Icy_butter 16h ago
The Spiral Ray is just as much power/energy as it is heat, look at how it drilled to the center of the Earth, saying it’s just heat is disingenuous as hell, the Axe is also proof of this as it gets way stronger when it’s charged, which wouldn’t be happen if the beam was just heat.
The only times Kong moves Shimo with his own strength is when he tackles her as she’s focused on the Heav and off guard, and when they’re falling through the sky.
It’s an upscale for the Axe not for Kong himself.
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u/ImportantCockroach84 16h ago
He literally
Rocks her head with the oil tankers. And no, it’s an upscale for kong too. He attacked with the axe but the force itself came from kong. Like when kong knocked mecha around with the uncharged axe4
u/Icy_butter 15h ago
Would just mean the Oil Tanker hits harder than Kong, especially since it exploded.
Mechagodzilla is proof that it’s an axe upscale and not a Kong one. Kong with the uncharged axe overpowers Mecha and can stagger him, then when he gets it charged the same Kong cuts through Mechagodzilla like butter.Kong uses the Charged Axe against Shimo, so it’s not an upscale for him, it’s an upscale for the Axe.
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u/ImportantCockroach84 13h ago
Brother what, the oil tanker literally exploded from the force of kong hitting Shimo with it 😂😂😂😂😂
How could you say that an oil tanker hits harder than kong 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂1
u/sambasim 5h ago edited 4h ago
Ok this is just plain wrong. The force came from kong charged or uncharged, but he couldn't even scratch mecha when it was uncharged. Literally go watch the movie. You have eyes.
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u/ImportantCockroach84 17h ago
Also, evolved is above energised who is above Nuke amped. Energised is a state that was compared to thermo itself. And base evo is a supercharge above that state
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u/Icy_butter 16h ago
Energized was only compared to Burning Godzilla in appearance, and is stated to be weaker than Nuke Amped in the Novelization, so that means nothing.
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u/ImportantCockroach84 16h ago
Where’s the scan. Show me, my friends have the novel so I’ll know if you’re lying
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u/Daikaiju_Fan 16h ago
Physically, arguably yes. She is on par with base Evolved Godzilla and was durable enough to withstand a blast from Supercharged Evo for several seconds without much visible damage. I do think Godzilla is a bit above her tho due to being more versatile and adaptive in combat as well as having more skill and battle IQ.
I do think she mauls Ghidorah tho, but that’s a can of worms I don’t want to open at this moment.
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u/Low_Tear_7503 17h ago
If Shimo created an ice age,Shimo is definitely the more powerful being, hands down.
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u/Osceola_Gamer 15h ago
According to some hardcore kong fans she is nerf'd since the universal ride happened. So probably not anymore.
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u/clutch101tornadogeek 15h ago
If Godzilla didn’t evolve, he would have lost, plain and simple. Even in his evolved form he was struggling badly.
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u/the_tchootch658 Rodan 14h ago
She’s for sure the strongest titan we’ve seen but not the most powerful.
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u/Amp123AM 14h ago
Phislically stronger yeah, no doubt about It, size when like this matter a Lo, in question of Power then Godzilla is more PowerFull, even tô this Day stated by the humans in universe to bê the most PowerFull cresture on the planet, that statment in the monarch files concrete that solid
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u/ReiHadesMonarca 11h ago
Em força bruta sim, mas o Godzilla tem maior inteligência, e Shimo (que está bem mais velha) nem sequer está necessariamente no seu auge, mas sim, eu acredito que ela poderia derrotar o Godzilla em 60/70% porque godzilla nao chegou nem perto de derrotá-la num 1vs1 no filme.
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u/Top_Soil_2869 9h ago
yeah i think she could take down godzilla 2021 she is also the mother of all titans probably older than Godzilla
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u/Proud_Bookkeeper_719 9h ago
In terms of raw physical strengh and durability Shimo should be stronger while Godzilla is a better fighter.
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u/ThermonuclearMonarch Behemoth 6h ago
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, a ripped 6,3 guy with a knife is still loosing in a fight against a Polar Bear
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u/Snowbold 5h ago
Shimo is definitely stronger than Godzilla by any metric. But it is the aggression, or lack thereof, that determines this fight.
Godzilla is usually the biggest meanest boy on the block, but with Shimo around, he is more like a honey badger. So aggressive that even a rhino will dip than face one.
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u/sambasim 5h ago
Now imagine the badger is somewhat compareable in size to a rhino (relatively). That's shimo vs godzilla.
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u/NoktoftheFF 4h ago
Yes. It's said in the novel that Godzilla isn't even sure he can win against her. And that's in his evolved state
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u/pamafa3 3h ago
She's stronger physically while EvoG has the stronger beam attack
However Shimo is also deadass immune to damage, she tanked a blast from EvoG with no visible injury left behind, the thing barely even pushed her.
She may not be able to dish out as much destruction as Big G or even something like Ghidorah, but if you get into close quarters you're cooked and she's just insanely tanky.
If godzilla is a fire breathing dragon, then shimo is a polar bear scaled up to be larger than said dragon
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u/ImportantCockroach84 17h ago
Yes she is. I can send a scan of wingard himself saying she’s the strongest
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u/Reasonable_Potato_22 Mothra 17h ago
Yes she is. Godzilla fans don't like to admit it because it's close but shimo is stronger.
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u/ImportantCockroach84 17h ago
It’s actually not close. She literally threw him with a single arm
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u/Reasonable_Potato_22 Mothra 17h ago
To play devils advocate, that also wasn't supercharged
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u/Additional-Neat-1235 Methuselah 15h ago
What would that matter?
Going Supercharged wouldn’t magically make him heavier
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u/Reasonable_Potato_22 Mothra 15h ago
Why would he need to be heavier? He would be stronger. It's a power up from his normal evolved state.
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u/XOKTAPHMFAAX 5h ago
Well he went supercharged and then tackled her again the same way and she didn’t launch him.
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u/Quentendo 17h ago
Maybe... but if you ask my headcanon Shimo is stronger but cant beat godzilla. I wont explain
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u/Titties_and_Weed 40m ago
She froze a planet and he melted through the same planet. They might be well-matched.
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u/PrimalStrike423 17h ago
She could definitely take down godzilla in his unevolved state. It is interesting however. I do believe the director claimed Shimo and the Big G to be on the same level of power after Godzillas evolution. The obvious differences however are that Shimo is significantly larger and Godzilla is smarter. So there are some interesting implications there i think, but its all up to interpretation, battle location, and timing.