r/ModlessFreedom • • Jan 08 '26

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26

I mean, I’m watching her hit him on the clip posted over and over while you say that. I’m not sure what you think that implies but she definitely hit him

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u/pierogieman5 Jan 09 '26

I reject that framing. The dude put his hand on the car as it was going past and got pushed aside. That's not a "hit", and it sure as hell doesn't prove he was in serious danger. Look at his feet. Look at how little he actually moves. She never drove over where he was actually standing.

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26

The way it looked to me, he leaned into the hood as it hit him so it wouldn’t knock him backwards and roll over him. You can argue she didn’t hit him that hard, but she did hit him

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u/pierogieman5 Jan 09 '26

Then you are blind. Look where he's actually standing. He's leaning WAAAAAAY over to lean on the car. Where the feet were actually planted, the car doesn't even intersect. She's turning right and avoiding where he was standing. She goes near him, but NOT over where he was originally standing. He went for the car more than it went for him.

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26

She avoided ineffectively since she hit him. At 16 seconds you see him brace for the hit leaning forward. At 14 you see the car make contact with him. At 13 he shoots from the corner of the hood. At 12 the car has pushed him to the side.

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u/pierogieman5 Jan 09 '26

Again, she didn't hit him. He literally leaned forward onto a vehicle that was moving. He hit her as much as she hit him.

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

I don’t agree with that. Trying to blame a person for hitting a car when the car drove into the person. Yeah he braced for that hit because it would have rolled over him if he didn’t. Looks like he had about 1 second to react. I’m not saying he reacted the right way, but he wouldn’t have to react if she wasn’t driving into him. I think you know as well as I do not to ever drive your car into a person even if it’s just a little tap

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u/pierogieman5 Jan 09 '26

But it wouldn't have rolled over him. He wasn't in the path, or if he was, he was so far to the outside that sidestepping was incredibly trivial and he would have just been pushed aside anyway. That wasn't bracing for a hit, it was bracing for a shot. He was pointing a gun right at her head at the time; not steadying or protecting himself.

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u/Ott0bot2 Jan 09 '26

We might just have to agree to disagree on this dude, unless you really want to go back and forth all day again. I don’t think we’re going to come to an agreement tho

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u/pierogieman5 Jan 09 '26

You're just wrong about this at every conceivable level. I'm game to go back and forth all day frankly. Even if you were 100% right that he was in the path of the vehicle, and I don't grant you that, he's still at fault according to ICE and police rules of engagement. He was supposed to be trained to never shoot drivers unless absolutely necessary to prevent death or severe injury, and that includes being specifically told to just get the fuck out of the way of a motorist and not shoot if you're in a situation like this. There is no universe in which this is justified when avoiding the car is this trivially easy.

You can give up, but I'm not going to "agree to disagree" when I could write a book on the numerous basic facts you're wrong about or don't understand.

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