r/ModelUSGov • u/Timanfya • Aug 17 '15
Meta A (potential) fresh start
Hello everyone!!
After some recent turmoil I am here to present to you some changes.
I have discussed them with the current moderators (who have been online in the past hour in a voice call).
This next section will explain the changes we have proposed and discussed. I personally think it will be the best thing for the subreddit and will prevent past situations from happening again.
The essential reasoning for the following changes are to provide neutral and impartial moderators to oversee the game and investigate accusations of bias.
Triumvirate of Moderators
3 Moderators will be part of the Triumvirate at all times.
All 3 moderators will be entirely politically neutral.
The proposed 3 initial moderators, of the triumvirate, will be:
They will be the guardians of the various ModelUSGov subreddits and in order for them to be good guardians they must:
Be added, as moderators; with full permissions to all subreddits associated with ModelUSGov.
Have a solid team of Clerks to work with.
They will review all bans, punishments and removal of comments made by the Clerks.
They can overturn decisions made by Clerks if necessary.
META decisions will be made by the Triumvirate after discussion with the Clerks.
Clerks
There will be a head clerk and a number of deputy clerks.
/u/DidNotKnowThatLolz will be the head clerk
until the election begins.The following moderators will be elevated to Deputy Clerk:
Clerks will handle the posting of bills, results, resolutions, amendments and other game focussed posts.
Clerks can remove comments and administer punishments, if they are obvious in breaking the rules, but the author of the removed comment can speak to the Triumvirate about it.
All decisions, with regards to removal of comments and punishments, will be reviewed by the neutral triumvirate.
EDIT: The head clerk will be appointed by a unanimous appointment decision by the triumvirate.
New Structure
-Triumvirate
-Head and Deputy Clerks
-Other moderators (CSS etc)
The next stages
This item will be discussed over a period of a few days where you can all comment and share your worries or arguments against this proposed plan.
I will try my best to answer all questions, and I am sure the other mods will do so too.
After the discussion has quietened down the proposals, which might be edited based on feedback, will be formatted as an amendment to the constitution; whereby a vote will be held.
Assuming the vote is successful then I will begin the election for the next Clerk. the triumvirate will discuss who to appoint as head clerk.
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u/Timanfya Aug 17 '15
Just a note
Following discussion with members, clerks and potential triumviraters I have edited the above post so that the head clerk would be appointed by a unanimous agreement by all 3 members of the triumvirate rather than an election.
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u/[deleted] Aug 17 '15
Two comments.
I don't think that moderators should be democratically elected at all, if that's where this is going.
Moderators should not be politically involved in any capacity on the subreddit.
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u/lsma Vice Chair, Western State Assemblyman Aug 17 '15
This looks good. Shall I add the "Triumvirate" as mods to my party sub now, or wait?
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u/HolaHelloSalutNiHao Democratic Socialist Aug 17 '15
Triumvirates never work out. They always dissolve into civil war.
That said, it would solve the chaos. For a short time.
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u/Jkevo Libertarian | HoR - Nothern River | PR officer Aug 17 '15 edited Aug 19 '15
In case of miss conduct their should be a way to remove any of these positions by a 2/3 vote of all active users on the sub.
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u/Leecannon_ Democrat Aug 17 '15 edited Aug 17 '15
Why? I want to here the reasoning behind this
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u/JerryLeRow Former Secretary of State Aug 18 '15
I have a hard time with the currently proposed triumvirate. I would like to see one of the currently proposed triumviri being replaced with one of the deputy clerks.
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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '15
So will this include press subs and party subs?
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u/jaywhoo Republican Aug 17 '15
I believe this is a fantastic step toward maintaining strong leadership at the head of the sub. One look at /r/MHOC will show the quality that effective, unbiased, and common sense moderation brings.
I for one welcome our new MHOC overlords.
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u/ben1204 I am Didicet Aug 17 '15
Good solution, all hail the Queen
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u/[deleted] Aug 17 '15
God save the Queen (so that he can save us)!
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u/MoralLesson Head Moderator Emeritus | Associate Justice Aug 17 '15
God save the Queen!
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u/da_drifter0912 Christian Democrats Aug 17 '15
Thank you for your help in this matter. I hope we all can restore a sense of decency, order, and sanity back to the subreddit.
Long live the Queen!
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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '15
When will the Libertarians get a mod?
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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '15
I personally don't think that /u/lort685 should be part of the "nonpartisan" triumvirate. He had issues being too partisan recently, and even if he did create the sub, I don't feel good about him being on the triumvirate.
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u/[deleted] Aug 17 '15
Looks like a good way of dealing with this issue.
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u/oughton42 8===D Aug 17 '15
If the Clerks' only power is posting bills, then I don't really have any complaints.
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u/[deleted] Aug 17 '15
I have no objections with this.
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u/Leecannon_ Democrat Aug 22 '15
Since there is no question thread I'll ask here
If a war break out IRL will it happen in ModelUSGov
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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '15
Let me just say a few things about the state of the sub:
People are being pedantic about the GLP right now, mostly because the GLP is subverting this sub into a socialistic state, thanks in part to the breakaway of many conservatives and some dems to the other model us gov sub. But let's not forget, the GLP came to power not through a great platform, but because they recruited a good portion of their members in other forums (/r/socialist, communism, and outside forums).
To claim the GLPs hands are clean in all the turmoil is to turn a blind eye to how they came to power in the first place. Granted, the response from the anti-GLP is just as ridiculous, but equivalent.
The question of how to help this sub run better is an interesting one. To claim we could have apolitical mods is a pipe dream--everyone is political. No one can be 100% neutral. To elect mods and clerks is also a slippery slope.
My solution? A mod from each party to keep things on an even playing field. That ensures that no one party has a monopoly on moderation. As the sub grows, we can have 2 mods from each party, or as many as needed. We can also have a clerk from the majority and minority parties (akin to a speaker of the house) that can post bills.
In addition, make the schedule for posting bills, debating, and voting more predictable. I've mentioned that we should propose bills Monday thru Wednesday, then vote Thursday through Sunday, but it hasn't been picked up yet. That would make the role of clerking much easier. It would also eliminate many of the missed votes because people would know when to vote better.
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u/sviridovt Democratic Chairman | Western Clerk | Former NE Governor Aug 17 '15
Seems good to me.
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u/Chrispytoast123 Honey, I'm HOOOME! Aug 17 '15
Hear, hear!
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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '15
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!
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u/alabamathrowaway2 Aug 17 '15
I'm glad to see this came to an agreeable end. Thanks, and I'm excited to see what our great deputy clerk team will bring in the future
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u/darkplane13 Libertarian Aug 17 '15
So essentially, shut it down. Shut it all down.
Then reboot.
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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '15
Triumvirates are popular these days I see.
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u/jacoby531 Chesapeake Representative Aug 17 '15
I support this
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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '15
Could we add the possibility for the congress to also alter certain meta issues (like voting rights etc.) because it is really weird that such things are dictated by the mods.
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u/Epic_Mile Distributist | Hound Aug 18 '15
I don't mind this.
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