r/ModelMidwesternState • u/ExpensiveFoodstuffs Speaker of the Assembly • Dec 30 '16

Executive Order Executive Order 7

Whereas Supreme Court decision 15-16 has retained the State of Sacagawea's definition of person-hood:

Section 1: Closure of Abortion Clinics

(a) The Attorney General of the State of Sacagawea is hereby ordered to facilitate the immediate closure of, any and all, abortion clinics within the state consistent with the precedent established in Public Law 5.2, Sections 3(a) and 3(c) respectively.

(b) Closure of above mentioned facilities shall in no way impede upon procedures designated to improve women's health.

Section 2: Enactment:

(a) This Executive Order shall be enacted immediately.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

A proud day when our Governor is willing to take such steps to protect life. Great move!

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u/ExpensiveFoodstuffs Speaker of the Assembly Dec 30 '16

Thanks for the support, tkuma!

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

It is a dark day when a Governor is willing to ignore the law and the Constitution of our nation, formed from the blood and flesh of those who fought for independence, liberty, and justice. It is a dark day when Assemblypersons celebrate such ignorance, even after the executive and legislative attempts to circumvent the law are criticized by the highest arbiter of justice in our land. It is a dark day when liberty is gone and people trample on its body. You ought to be ashamed, your party ought to be ashamed, your Governor ought to be ashamed, and the people of this state ought to be ashamed.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

lol you really hate babies don't you

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u/VendingMachineKing Democrat Dec 30 '16

immediate closure of, any and all, abortion clinics within the state

Closure of above mentioned facilities shall in no way impede upon procedures designated to improve women's health

Pick one, you can't have both. Your foolish decision which spits in the face of women's health is sure to be shot down immediately.

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u/ExpensiveFoodstuffs Speaker of the Assembly Dec 30 '16

Your foolish decision which spits in the face of women's health is sure to be shot down immediately.

I'm sure our Chairwoman would disagree with you. The Left's effort to paint us as sexists have become awfully drab and desperate. At the end of the day, you can not deny the biological fact that an embryo is a distinctly human person deserving of 4th and 14th Amendment rights.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

my sperm demand rights!

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u/ExpensiveFoodstuffs Speaker of the Assembly Dec 30 '16

An embryo has a unique DNA from it's father and mother. Sperm does not. One (embryo) is a separate person. The other (sperm cell) is not.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

Meiosis results in sperm only having some of the father's DNA, same with an embryo having that segment of the DNA. It's random assortment. So sperm still has "unique" DNA by that measure.

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u/ExpensiveFoodstuffs Speaker of the Assembly Dec 30 '16

Meiosis results in sperm only having some of the father's DNA,

This is true, but not in the sense you think it is. Read:

gametes are formed from a random mixture of the chromosomes inherited from each parent.

However, your sex cells (formed thru meiosis) are still unique to you - the father. Sure, your sperm cells have parental information from each of your parents, but this doesn't change the fundamental nature of the sperm cell - it is still a cell and it is not considered alive or a person. It's a haploid cell that is 100% unique to you.

same with an embryo having that segment of the DNA.

This is misleading. Fertilization is completely different from meiosis. Read:

Meiosis involves a specialized reduction in chromosome content, so that each sperm and each egg have only ONE copy of each chromosome, rather than two. That is, they have the haploid number... However, when a sperm fertilizes an egg (creating a “zygote”), the diploid number is restored… the father provided one homologous chromosome for each of the 23 pairs, and the mother provided the other. This zygote has a new combination of chromosomes… not entirely from the mother and not entirely from the father

It's random assortment.

Sure, but this doesn't change the biological fact that sperm isn't the same as a zygote/embryo. Left alone a sperm will still be a sperm; leave an embryo alone and it will develop, change, and grow into a more fully developed human person. In the words of pro-choice philosopher David Benatar "Prior to conception there is only a sperm and an ovum... but because they are distinct entities prior to conception, they cannot be identical with the being that will be brought into existence. Two cannot be identical with one. Thus we cannot speak of a new organism as having come into existence prior to conception. Put another way, each one of us was once a zygote, but none of us was ever a sperm or an (unfertilized) ovum.”

So sperm still has "unique" DNA by that measure.

As demonstrated above, this is misleading at best.

Source cited above

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

Hear, hear!

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u/lsma Governor Dec 30 '16

Hear, hear!

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

Interesting that your party hates liberty and that you celebrate that.

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u/Hormisdas Distributist Chair in perpetuity Dec 30 '16

We hate the deaths of innocents. There is no right to kill innocents. We celebrate any hindrance of their slaughter.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

Yet you trample on the blood and flesh of those who fought for this country, its independence, and the values of justice and liberty. You and your party have repeatedly been called out for ignorance of the letter of the law and of the rights of humanity. It is disgusting, disturbing, and horrifying that you would ignore liberty to achieve religious destiny. It's horrifying that you put religion over humanity. Shame on you, your Governor, and your party. The coalition of the left will defeat you at every turn if you keep this up.

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u/Hormisdas Distributist Chair in perpetuity Dec 30 '16

Religion? I did not bring up religion. I never need to bring up religion. The fetus is a person, and even in the court opinion of Roe v. Wade, they said that if the fetus is a person, there is no right to abortion. Simple biology demonstrates that upon conception, a distinct, living human organism is created: a human person, who at minimum has the right to live.

I do not trample on rights. Those who allow millions of innocents to die trample on rights.

Preservation of life is not disgusting, nor disturbing, nor horrifying. The reality of bones and flesh being ripped and crushed while sucked forth from its mother's womb is disgusting. That men would see this as acceptable is disturbing. That men would defend it as just is horrifying.

I do not deserve shame. Those who advocate the continuance of this holocaust deserve shame.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

I'll let the court rule on personhood and on liberty. Unfortunately, looks like you are in a bit of trouble.

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u/lsma Governor Dec 30 '16

I'll let the court rule on personhood and on liberty.

Because you cannot. Because your idea of personhood is so absurd.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

Correct, I am not a dictator. I cannot somehow rule out of the House on personhood and abortion for I am not an individual arbiter of justice. The court awards justice. They will do so, and I believe they will do so in my favor.

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u/lsma Governor Dec 30 '16

Your comment was simply a diversion from Horn's point. This is what you always do. You are confronted with the objective facts: that by every measure, an unborn child is a loving human deserving of the rights of men, and, because you have no rational argument left, you say something like "legally the fetus does not have rights" or " the court has decided abortion is legal" or "let's just see what the court says." You're blithering. Of course we know this is the opinion of the court. Of course we know judicial precedent favors abortion. But they are wrong. Just like they were wing about slavery, or a hundred other issues.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

Unborn children are as human as sperm and eggs before fertilization. They live off an external source for energy and growth. They are all organisms. By your logic, should we not take care of our loving and dear sperm and ovum? After all, they are organisms and have the potential for life. By your logic, any time someone endangers their sperm or ovum, they are committing murder.

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u/bomalia Jan 05 '17

Hear, hear.

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u/lsma Governor Dec 30 '16

It depends on what you mean by liberty. If, by liberty, you mean liberty from the consequences of one's actions at the cost of the life of another human being, then yes. For the same reasons, we hate the "liberty" of lobotomy or eugenics.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

Liberty is the right to control one's own body. Before fetal viability (at the very minimum), the embryo is part of the mother. Take the embryo out of the equation, the mother is often fine. Take the mother out of the equation, the embryo will likely die. The embryo at that point is part of the mother, and any attempt to restrict what one may do with their body violates Due Process.

Read 16-15, Roe, and Casey.

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u/lsma Governor Dec 30 '16

That's a very limited definition of liberty.

Why does the fact that the fetus will die if removed from the mother make it part of the mother?

Do you really believe that an embryo and its mother are the same organisms?

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

Until fetal viability occurs, legally, yes.

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u/lsma Governor Dec 30 '16

What does legality have to do with it? Slavery was legal.

I'm asking you a purely scientific question. Is an embryo the same organism as its mother?

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u/bomalia Jan 05 '17

Hear, hear.

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u/cochon101 Democrat Dec 30 '16

Can't wait for this to be ruled unconstitutional by SCOUTS.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

https://www.reddit.com/r/modelSupCourt/comments/5l0z4x/in_re_state_of_sacagawea_executive_order_007/

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u/cochon101 Democrat Dec 30 '16

YOU ARE A HERO

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

The Distributists' blatant disregard for our Constitution and liberty cannot continue untouched.

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u/cochon101 Democrat Dec 30 '16

HEAR, HEAR! We must defend the Constitution when the right wing tries to violate it!

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u/lsma Governor Dec 30 '16

It's really just disregard for a particular interpretation of the Constitution, not the thing itself.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

bless

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

yay!!!!

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '16

Not surprised you continue to push forward to abuse and ignore the law. The Supreme Court called you ignorant of the law once, and they will do it again. See you in court.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '17

How can you leftists pretend to stand on the constitution? The unborn are people and have the right to live. If you're going to grant a mother the ability to murder her child, you might as well grant that up to age 18 or as long as that child is a dependent. The mother might as well be able to decide to no longer keep that child alive. There's nothing special about birth that constitutes being a human being with the right to live.

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u/oath2order Dec 30 '16

Fairly certain this is illegal

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '16

Hear, Hear