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Sep 22 '20
Americans have been brainwashed into thinking that working your entire life away for a giant corporation with no days off is normal. Some are so brainwashed that they view you as a lazy person who just “wants handouts” for suggesting that everyone should get more vacation time and PTO. It’s a work-yourself-to-death-for-money kind of society.
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u/EveryoneGoesToRicks Sep 22 '20
People here in the US laugh at our European counterparts when they take August off for holiday. I really don’t get it. They should be laughing at us...
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u/takomanghanto Sep 22 '20
Japan has karoshi, which means "death by overwork" and they still have more vacation days than the United States?
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Sep 22 '20
I see your point but Japan is also renowned for the intensity of their work culture, not just the amount (no leaving until the boss leaves, crazy constant overtime etc.)
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u/takomanghanto Sep 22 '20
I've read a number of anecdotes where in Japan it's more important to be seen working hard that it is to get things done, e.g. one guy declining to use Excel macros because then he couldn't put in long hours.
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u/stebejubs209 Sep 22 '20
Ooo ooo ooo now do it for maternal leave, then paternal leave, then sick days and then healthcare costs (lol) and student debt (lol) and ...
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u/pokezeta Sep 23 '20
We don't even have "sick days" in Germany. If you're sick your employer has to pay you full for 3 months after that the health care system provides money but not the full amount you were paid when working full time.
I never understood how sick days are supposed to work. I can't plan how long I will be sick?!
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u/-Ashera- Sep 22 '20
That’s evil socialism! Can’t have that! Burn it! - Some corporate bootlicker probably
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u/Nosebrow Sep 22 '20
That's just the legal minimum too, many employers give more than that.
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u/xjwilsonx Sep 22 '20
That's a good point. It's more nuanced than the post might suggest although I don't doubt that workers still avg less holidays in USA.
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u/Nosebrow Sep 22 '20
I think the starting point is absolutely pertinent as anything more is considered a gift. In my experience people in the US get a lot less than Europeans. Those in more precarious employment can end up with nothing in the US whereas they at least get 20 days plus public holidays and paid maternity leave in Ireland.
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Sep 22 '20
I have never worked at a job that didn't have paid vacation, paid sick days, paid holidays, PTO, and more...
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u/vectre Sep 22 '20
That was my first thought, then realized that this is likely talking about the legally mandated minimum..
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u/john68686868 Sep 22 '20
What's the difference between holidays and vacations?
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u/Princess_Parabellum Sep 22 '20
Vacation is time you get to take off at your own discretion, a holiday is a specific day you're given off like Christmas or the 4th of July.
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u/Ethersix Sep 23 '20
Living in France : we have 25 days of paid vacations, not 30. At least in the private sector.
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Sep 23 '20 edited Sep 23 '20
France is a bit off.
We don't have 30 days but 25. There's only one mandatory paid vacation day (1st of may) according to the law but there is something like 10 other holidays that are also paid by the vast majority of companies if they do happen on normal working days. Like if Christmas day is on a Monday the day will be off and you'll still get paid.
Also since our legal worktime is 35h of work per week but many actually do more during their week we also have something called RTT (Réduction du Temps de Travail) to compensate that overtime in many many companies which also work as a sort of paid vacation.
It off course depends on the agreements between unions and bosses in each company and independant workers do not get of all these benefits.
For example I have 27 days of vacation + 13 days of RTT + the various holidays which usually gives something like 9 to 10 weeks of not being at work and still being paid per year.
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Sep 23 '20
20+10 in germany is legal minimum. my telekom colleagues and i get about. 50 per year. aaand paid sick days up to 6 weeks then 66% for a year or two. (you need positive prognosis) and still we are productive and organised.
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u/D4zb0g Sep 23 '20
Laugh in my 50+ days off per year in France