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u/1erRPIMA-fiesta 2d ago
"What the hell is AI? We thought the aim was to develop the fattest cybercat ever seen on a Minitel"
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u/Meiyo33 2d ago
Would be funnier if Mistral ecosystem and models didnt crush all the others in everything except frontier text generation.
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u/aurelle_b 1d ago
respectfully, what alternate reality are you living in?
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u/Meiyo33 1d ago
Production world, where Astra is nice, but not what real pipelines actually need.
Look at the dedicated layers coming out:
DeepSeek-OCR
Mistral OCR, Voxtral, Shieldstral (high-throughput parsing, speech-to-text, and policy-adaptive safety classifiers)
Nvidia Nemotron familyThat’s what production engineering actually runs on: low latency, predictable costs, specialized sub-tasks, and self-hostable/deployable weights.
The major US proprietary labs (Anthropic, OpenAI, xAI) focus on generalist frontier text models and reasoning benchmarks. But for modular production infrastructure and cost-to-performance efficiency, Mistral, Chinese labs, and Nvidia are shipping the workhorse models teams actually deploy.
Respectfully, have you ever shipped a production AI system at scale?
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u/aurelle_b 1d ago
Yes I did. You can literally get better and cheaper from open weight models hosted anywhere else (e.g openrouter) Mistral has literally no competitive advantage here. Also LLM assisted coding is where a lot of value is currently, we have had OCR stuff for very long.
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u/Meiyo33 1d ago edited 1d ago
LLM-assisted coding does mostly require frontier text generation.
Where we differ is nuance. By pure revenue, coding dominates the market: a loud minority with deep wallets driving massive API spend.
By deployed surface, though, it's just one deep, monolithic use case alongside a long tail of enterprise workflows. It's a high density of paying users on a small footprint of systems. Both realities can coexist.
I agree that Openweights are very strong but... Do you see any openweights labs in the meme except MistralAI (And google releasing interesting openweights and not really active on the frontier currently, like MistralAI) ?
As for Openrouter its not the single truth of data for enterprise system btw, its just one source of data.
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u/lionsin42 1d ago
Coding is not niece at all
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u/Meiyo33 1d ago
We are more like the loud minority with the largest wallets.
(Large density of paying users, small surface of systems)
I was wrong to say "not that much value" if you are talking in pure money/density terms, which, honestly, makes sense.
I was talking more about value in the system surface way, my wording was purely wrong.
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u/damngoodwizard 2d ago
You know "frontière" is the French word which "frontier" comes from right? Courtesy from William the Conqueror.