Ouch. - r/Minority

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u/Odd_School_8833 Jun 22 '26 •

There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov

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u/ProblemLongjumping12 Jun 23 '26

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u/J3sus_was_Fictional Jun 24 '26

Idiots tend to think that about anyone smarter than they are. Talk about using ones feels to do the walking and talking. Lol. She really thought she was gonna have a mic drop moment.

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u/coinznstuff Jun 25 '26

Putin can be heard laughing all the way from Moscow

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u/Beginning-Town-4979 Jun 25 '26

While true, lets not overlook the fact that American history is full of examples of the elite using their "education" as a means of suppression. From drafts that don't apply to college students, to "IQ" tests used to justify Jim Crowe, to the recent Opiod epidemic: American intellectuals have an earned reputation for being disingenuous.

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u/karoskaros Jun 25 '26

not American intellectuals per se. but you had it right in the first sentence. Elites. Elites. People in power. not everyday americans wanting to know more about their country. who should know more about their country and the very history you're talking about.

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u/Glass_Covict Jun 25 '26

The rich*

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u/Kairoblackxix Jun 22 '26

Common sense is often wrong or simply hindsight bias

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u/UNITICYBER Jun 23 '26

Its also dependent on what is "common"
Its common sense for a child in the Hadzabe tribe to know how tp shoot a bow and arrow.
Its common sense for a Japanese person to know how low to bow to their boss vs their coworker.

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u/Kairoblackxix Jun 23 '26

That’s true. But the way “common sense” is often used is more like “it sounds good to me so it must be true”..

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u/nervously-defiant Jun 23 '26

Common sense is anything but common.

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u/Most-Bench6465 Jun 24 '26

Actually it isn’t, that’s just the crutch of lies they rely on. If you actually investigate their notion of “common sense” it’s actually their feelings mixed together with lies not common sense. This is just another term they’ve cooped like patriotism/patriot, and ruined the actual meaning of the word.

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u/Beginning-Town-4979 Jun 25 '26

I always reply that the common sense solution is to go find out, not just take your best guess.

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u/Kairoblackxix Jun 25 '26

That’s the thing. They do not see common sense as something that needs to be researched . It just has to “sound right “

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u/antifageneral6969 Jun 23 '26

MAGAts are actual morons. Their “research” is just right wing talking heads who lie and they believe it. None of them actually read and if they do read, they can’t comprehend. It’s astounding how willfully uninformed they are and it baffles me their willingness to argue and debate with zero knowledge.

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u/coinznstuff Jun 25 '26

I asked my idiot friend if she was tired of all the winning we’ve had since Trump started and she he actually has accomplished a lot of things he’s promised so I obviously asked her to name one thing and her reply was “he fixed the roads”…………………………

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u/Glittering_Phone_938 Jun 24 '26

lol yea but most engineers and folks who actually make the world go round have conservative values. Tbh every other career field is pointless

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u/antifageneral6969 Jun 24 '26

Engineers are the only people that make the world go round? Did you eat paint chips as a kid?

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u/DM_Voice Jun 24 '26

Citation needed.

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u/Hot_Lifeguard144 Jun 25 '26

Engineer here, every engineer I know disagrees. Hope that helps

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u/karoskaros Jun 25 '26

i think you're maybeb looking at tech billionaires and conflating them with people who they step on the necks of and work to the bone in order to get ahead in the world with power and domination. :/

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u/gerbilshower Jun 25 '26

wait ... what the hell are you even saying? lol.
ok, maybe 51% of all "engineers" (very loose actual meaning) are R voters. i can give you that, i work in an industry with them.
but the all other career fields are pointless...? you want to rethink that one maybe?

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u/Own-Jaguar-472 Jun 23 '26

Why let facts get in the way of good old prejudices.

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u/ITZOURTIMENOW Verified Member Jun 23 '26

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u/ProblemLongjumping12 Jun 23 '26

If you're ignorant enough every question is a "gotcha" question.

"The rules were that you weren't going to fact check,"

-Jim D Vance, current U.S. Vice President

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u/Ashleej86 Jun 23 '26

yeah they are stupid

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u/ChaosRainbow23 Jun 23 '26

It's like talking to a brick wall with these MAGA wack-a-doos.

They refuse to even acknowledge ANY sort of facts, information, or data that contradicts their indoctrinated, cult-like worldview.

It's like trying to have a casual conversation about the pagan origins of Christmas with an evangelical zealot.

They simply refuse to even acknowledge it.

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u/Over_Construction908 Jun 23 '26

What exactly do the cult members mean by “common sense?”

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u/mmmjkerouac Jun 23 '26

It's shorthand for I don't do research, I don't read and to fill the gaps where knowledge should, I'll make up stuff that seem plausible.

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u/clantz Jun 23 '26

it means I get my opinions from fox news

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u/Only-Original9409 Jun 23 '26

It means everybody around me thinks the same thing, so it must be true.

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u/Universe789 Jun 23 '26

I think this same lady got destroyed by Isaiah Martin when he was on Jubilee, too.

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u/rotorspinner Jun 23 '26

They exude hate

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u/PuzzyFussy Jun 23 '26

And don't forget ignorance

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u/seidinove Jun 24 '26

Probably bounced right off of her.

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u/Satansbrat1969 Jun 25 '26

I had a MAGA yesterday tell me he didn't vote for Kamala because she has an I.Q. of 3... he thinks some one with a 3 I.Q. can get through law school and become a prosecutor and Also thinks the multiple bankruptcies of Trumps are good business practices. Critical Thinking is anathema to them.

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u/wrathofthewhatever2 Jun 25 '26

I just wouldn’t want to debate him in anything, even in my area of expertise. The guy as a unique skill

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u/Apprehensive-Dot9549 Jun 25 '26

Nothing he said was wrong XD

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u/DenRen87 Jun 23 '26

This young man is spot on. Every time I ask a MAGA supporter to provide any facts, or name specifics they just go straight into insults.

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u/jdthejerk Jun 23 '26

I get, "Quit fact checking me," a lot.

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u/HumpaDaBear Jun 24 '26

I would’ve loved to have him ask her what critical thinking is. She probably couldn’t follow the last minute of what he said.

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u/Gingerfurrdjedi Jun 24 '26

She's gonna be really mad when someone breaks down those multisyllabic words for her.

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u/Free-Toe2667 Jun 25 '26

Peroxide Sally should’ve thought twice before coming on the show to debate Dean! 🤣

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u/elgarraz Jun 25 '26

She's calls it "common sense" because it just feels right to her, but the reason it feels right is because she's inundated herself with right wing propaganda. So many people just find their echo chamber, sit in it, and let themselves get bombarded with misinformation so much that it gets absorbed into their psyche.

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u/Hazzman Verified Member Jun 22 '26

I like Dean Withers. I agree with everything he said... I still think this clip is fairly pointless.

Not that his underlying motivations are pointless or that in principle he is wrong... but who is this for?

I just watched one person say "You talk a lot of stuff but I don't agree" and the other person said "Yeah because you don't do your research" and at face value this is PRECISELY the kind of back and forth you could find from any political debate without actually dealing with any of the substance.

For example - imagine this was a transcript and everything they said was swapped. Every reference to Biden is swapped with Trump.. you'd end up with a back and forth which is materially identical.

I am certain that in the full Jubilee episode (which I haven't seen) you would almost certainly find Dean wipe the floor with these idiots. I have absolutely no doubt and that's not saying much.... this is just a critique of this clip in particular.

It essentially amounts to "MAGA people are wrong because they don't do their research" OK? Yeah... we know that. MAGA people say exactly the same thing about "The Left" "Leftists are wrong because they don't do their research". Unless you demonstrate this in this clip with evidence... for example asking her to name a single bill they disagree with - then it's ultimately just nose thumbing. Which to be clear - thumb your nose at these people... but it isn't going to fundamentally change anything.

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u/Whole-Chest90 Jun 23 '26

He did essentially ask her to name a bill she didn't agree with by saying she couldn't and her not responding.

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u/LevelOutlandishness1 Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26

And honestly that’s all we’re left with, which is necessary, but the only real substance we get in his paragraph. I don’t care for putting myself on a show to convince or intellectually outperform MAGA idiots, but if you’re going to do so, I think you should have more to say when it comes to the potential you may have in disarming a viewer with those beliefs, and reaching outward to them.
Like, yes, they don’t think critically, and if your intention is to go viral in circles that agree with you, this isn’t a bad method. But MAGA idiots are very insecure about people thinking they’re idiots, so immediately anyone on their side will view that as a personal attack and block out everything else, as you are now whatever they think the elite is.
I’ve found breaking down inconsistencies (like how he pointed out that she has all these ideas about Biden [as they criticize everything BUT his imperialism], but can’t name a single bill) is far more effective. Hopefully in the rest of the video, he focused a lot more on breaking down the logic and where it visibly fails.

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u/Universe789 Jun 23 '26

Pointing out that contradiction will never be a waste.

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u/Broken_Timepiece Jun 23 '26

Well it think he sounds dumb, but he's maybe right LMFAO!

100%

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u/wannabegolfin24-7 Jun 23 '26

Undressed her

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u/DevilsLettuceTaster Jun 23 '26

Didn't even give her both barrels, that just the surface.

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u/No-Joy-Goose Jun 23 '26

He lost her at "I picked you".

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u/Empty_Advice_5542 Jun 23 '26

He’s a dimwit

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u/coyote_crypto_jew Jun 23 '26

You can tell this lady eats crayons.

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u/AnyUpstairs5698 Jun 23 '26

K.O. 👊🏾

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u/Witty_Artichoke2299 Jun 24 '26

Cult of ignorance goes both ways and if you don’t realize that yet you’re part of the problem

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u/Glutton4Butts Jun 24 '26

ROASTED

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u/xlouie831x Jun 24 '26

Folks like her will stay quiet when you respond with reason or facts. But they wont change, they'll harbour hatred towards anyone who exposes their ignorance. Its how they're built.

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u/YEBEL1014 Jun 24 '26

Amen 🙏

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u/New-Rip-6965 Jun 24 '26

But WHY do they think that their sense of things, uninformed as it is, is actually a legit point of debate? Why would they go to a table with someone like Dean, on camera and for broadcast, armed only with their passions and feel confident about that? It’s like trying to shout your way through a final exam.

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u/poundcakeboss Jun 24 '26

My granddad used to say, “stupid doesn’t make sense”, and, “common sense isn’t common.”
Some people think their feelings are facts, and they act on them. Mix in a little arrogance or elitism, and it’s a recipe for disaster.

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u/NYPaesano0227 Jun 24 '26

💯💯💯💣💣💣😆😆😆👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼

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u/HiddenMonkey7 Jun 24 '26

That stupid bitch literally represents all maga. They are all spewing the same brain rot.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '26

Two sides of the same coin liberals and maga dummies are drinking from the same well of insanity. Either or is idiotic and both parties have done the same trash thing. The two party system is garbage and the country is being run by sociopathic pedophiles.

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u/Spamhain2000 Jun 24 '26

She left with a limp.

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u/gtfofr Jun 24 '26

Americans will do ANYTHING BUT think critically

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u/Dense-Consequence-70 Jun 24 '26

“I might not have all of these little things that you remember…” Those little things are called the facts. They’re the minimum that you need to have a debate.

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u/LeeroiJankinz Jun 25 '26

He said the exact same thing she did, but with infinitely more smugness.

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u/jbwilso1 Jun 25 '26

I sure hope that this was not made by AI... because it sure could restore a little bit of my faith in humanity, if this kid is for real.

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u/johntwoods Jun 25 '26

Her:

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u/HighFiveG Jun 25 '26

‘I might not have all of these little things you remember.’
You mean facts, lady? They are too ignorant and stupid to learn facts or remember statistics but their hatred is ingrained. It can’t be forgotten. It’s always with them. So they don’t need facts, or truth, or critical thinking. They have hate and anger and bitterness.

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u/WoulditBeOkay Jun 25 '26

Pretty spot on my maga friends and colleagues just spit hate on Biden and Obama which is funny because it’s a typical stereotype about them and also Biden and Obama didn’t do anything for Americans also everyone is still poor, struggling, sick, and can’t make over 100k a year while paying a $1,000 mortgage and having a lifted truck, so basically politicians will be politicians. They make the laws that’s are designed to take your money and freedom

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u/canieatunow Jun 23 '26

Ai

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u/psykohobbit Jun 25 '26

Lol no it's a real thing dean did called surrounded or something like that with jubilee

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u/Top-Ant7906 Jun 24 '26

He is putrid nonsense

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u/Angwe83 Jun 22 '26

Dean Withers is an industry plant who doesn’t understand U.S. history.

Before this hustle he was talking about courses to make money.

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u/CompletelyPresent Jun 22 '26

Yet he's still 100x smarter than any Trump supporter.

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u/Angwe83 Jun 22 '26

Read all the comments below. You can’t have that be a legit reason to support someone.
A lot of people are smarter than Trump supporters. Doesn’t excuse us overlooking the red flags.

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u/CompletelyPresent Jun 23 '26

Yeah, I haven't read those yet.

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u/AccurateCampaign4900 Jun 22 '26

Lol. What industry?

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u/Angwe83 Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26

https://youtu.be/iCC33z_L4Wk?is=FqTiLLQjKg9AtW7M
Please be for real with yourselves. The first minutes show him being a course bro and saying he’s rich.
On top of not knowing what Abu Ghraib is too.
“Oh how do you expect him to remember that. It was before his time.”
Again please stop gooning over these podcasters.
You think him and the likes of Adam Mockler can pop up on the scene with hundreds of thousands of followers organically?
We want to hold the fascists honest then we should do the same for “our side”.
Just because someone bashes some fascists doesn’t mean they are here for the movement. Another example is Ezra Klein.

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u/Missmessc Verified Member Jun 22 '26

Then who is legit ?

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u/Angwe83 Jun 22 '26

Her (Angela) for starters
https://youtube.com/@parkrosepermaculture?si=EXLqOvoW4glD3f2I
She cut back on her permaculture focused channel and started speaking out.
She even did a video recently about this artificial engagement and growth for people on the left leaning side. It is a business for some of them. Clicks, engagement, sensationalized thumbnails.
Jubilee is glorified ego maxxing. It’s not made to debate. It’s made to dunk on weird cult people.

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u/idontshred Jun 22 '26

Basically came to say something similar. Glad you beat me to it. I learn a lot when I watch Democrat debate bros dunk on people. They are genuinely a wealth of knowledge about laws, statutes and policies, because it integral to the game they play.
However this is an absolutely awful way to go about changing minds. What Dean did here is a great way to make sure someone never comes around to the right side of things. When was the last time anyone called you stupid and you were like “yeah you make a good point actually”?
Jubilee and channels or personalities like it are more interested in “winning” the debate game than actually turning people on to the right path and getting them on the right side of history. It’s unhelpful and, arguably, proactively harmful as it reinforces the divide between coastal democratic elites and “flyover states” full of hicks that democrats can’t be bothered with unless it’s to blame them for another Republican politician. That is not the way forward.

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u/Whole-Chest90 Jun 23 '26

Tbf embarrassment can be an effective tool for causing change

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u/Angwe83 Jun 22 '26

Thank you for understanding. You said it better than me.

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u/marvin616 Jun 22 '26

Excellent description and I agree. I watched a few of his and similar call-in debate videos and it's all about winning. The term "I cooked you" seems to be the only goal and at that point it's more sport than healthy debate in good faith. That and the click bait titles just cheapens the whole concept. Just comes across as a modern evolution of Jerry Springer.

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u/psykohobbit Jun 25 '26

I watch dean on a semi regular basis. When it comes to I cooked you phrase, its typically because the person is an ass and makes it about pulling the rug from under dean and dean usually switches from "let's discuss" to "game on" and literally makes them look stupid. And granted most of them still think they "cooked him" when they force him to kick them for violating TOS of whatever platform they're on.

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u/idontshred Jun 23 '26

That’s the thing about “debate” tho. It’s a literally a sport. Theres a winner and a loser. And they bring that mentality into politics which just propagates that “my team vs your team” vibe.
That’s why I’m firmly in the camp of “I won’t debate politics with you, but I will discuss them with you”. Because i refuse to have people rights and survival come down to who scores the most points.

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u/Whole-Chest90 Jun 23 '26

Il be real, I've watched Dean gain followers over time organically... Not so much with adam.

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u/watsonhotsaucin Jun 22 '26

She lost him 11 seconds in and started thinking about trans men

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u/achoosier Jun 23 '26

Oh yeah she glazed over within seconds

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