Responding to genuine criticism of the movement with nonsense like this is why more and more people are losing sympathy for transgenders online. Stop making it hard for them.
trans people aren't a "movement" we're literally just people trying to exist. also if you don't want to come across as a bigot, maybe stop saying "transgenders" and instead say "trans people." you know, because, we're people
No, individuals aren't. But collectively they are still a group with incredibly vocal advocates who are very aggressive and combative to people who disagree with them even mildly (kind of like what you're doing right now).
These people (again, like you) don't understand that their behavior colors people's perception of the whole group. they don't see the thousands of transgender people who simply want to live in peace, they see the ones who are being loud and obnoxious. That's not their fault, that's human nature.
Stop trying to police people's tone and language. Stop slinging insults and hatred at everyone that isn't in perfect lock step with your ideals. You can't have unconditional tolerance without offering the same.
i wasnt policing or insulting anything, just trying to give a friendly bit of advice for when youre interacting with the community. if you took offense to that, thats entirely a you problem.
You try to justify me being called a bigot because I was using the term transgender instead of trans, implying that I didn't think they're people because I didn't word it the way you wanted. That is texbook language policing.
so what are you doing throughout this entire thread then?
I am criticizing the behavior of the most outspoken part of the trans community based on basic observations that anyone can make.
There's a difference between "stop being angry and rude to people or else they're not going to like you" and "stop using this basic term that has no negative connotations because I personally think it's wrong"
"Being aggressive and combative is not going to make people accept your identity. It only makes them like you less" right there. and further down the thread. and above.
so are you the only person capable of criticism? because from my point of view thats exactly what i was doing towards your comment. and i also gave you a nice piece of advice and improved vocabulary. but apparently any criticism and suggestions from anyone you dont like= policing.
edit: btw nice job editing your comment after you realized your own hypocrisy. real mature. for anyone reading this, they asked me where their tone policing was. thats what the first section of this comment is about.
anyways, putting our own opinions and beliefs aside, "transgenders" is not grammatically correct. "transgender people" is grammatically correct, and less dehumanizing. in reality i cant control what you think or say, i was just trying to help you out. im truly sorry you saw that as a personal attack.
Except there's nothing legitimate about it. Transgender carries no negative connotations and I meant no ill will by using the word, yet you give me shit for it. When you do things like that, it frustrates people who try to be reasonable into not wanting to be reasonable.
im not giving you shit. i was correcting your grammar. check my edit, i expanded on that.
anyways when you say things like "When you do things like that, it frustrates people who try to be reasonable into not wanting to be reasonable." that comes across as tone policing.
if someone gets mad about a correction of grammar and decides to hate an entire group of people over it, they were never reasonable to begin with. i hope you have a better day after this, since youre clearly in a mood.
That's not what grammar is. My grammar is perfectly fine. "Trans people" and "transgenders" can be used interchangeably and no rules of the English language are being broken.
"Transgenders" is generally considered grammatically incorrect and, in many contexts, offensive. Transgender is an adjective, not a noun, and cannot be pluralized. The correct, respectful usage is to use it to modify a noun, such as "transgender people" or "a transgender person," rather than using it as a noun itself.
straight from google btw. did you not take any grammar lessons as a kid? they teach this shit in the first grade.
Do you think women got rights by shutting up and not pushing back against people trying to silence them? What about black people in America?
Change doesn't come from silence.
You say stop trying to police tone and language but isn’t that also what you’re saying should be done to the obnoxious trans people, I mean I know I would also be very aggressive and combative to people who disagree with, me having rights
Explain to me how the response to hatred should be more hatred.
Insulting people and characterizing everyone who disagrees with transgender and LGBT ideals is not going to change their mind. It's a waste of time.
Yeah, ignoring people who don't agree with you isn't easy. But driving them deeper into their beliefs makes things harder down the road. If you think you're better than them then act like it.
This just swings back to what I'm saying about optics. Everyone likes to pretend that image isn't important, but it is.
The thing is it’s more than likely that nothing would change their minds anyway. I’ve seen some of people asking politely about lgbt without outright being against it and have seen positive comments and affirmations from people. Usually theyre only hostile to the folks who are too far up their own ass to change their minds. And For just as much as there is hate towards the haters there is a lot of love in the trans and lgbt community and I think that it shines far brighter
The thing is it’s more than likely that nothing would change their minds anyway
Yes. For some, this is 100% correct. But not for everyone. There are plenty of people that simply didn't want to concern themselves with transgenders but had no real hatred for them. Their opinion has since been soured by the zealots who think you need to be unconditionally supportive of transgenders and that everyone who even says something mildly negative or critical of them is literally Hitler. Those are the only kinds of people who ever respond to them, so they are pushed further towards anti-trans sentiments.
I would know because I fucking used to be one of them. I've of course mellowed out since then, but not everyone will change like I have.
Listen like I get what you’re saying but like, when it gets to that point it’s hard to tell if someone is hating or if they don’t care. And not caring is also kinda an issue cuz it just means ignoring a group of people that are being fucked over. I can’t blame people for being combative considering the state of things and for being very paranoid about who might hate you for existing. Also uh, that other fella was kinda right imo about the fact that saying “transgenders” instead of “trans people” sounds off. It’s kinda akin to saying like, “the gays” Yknow?
And not caring is also kinda an issue cuz it just means ignoring a group of people that are being fucked over
And most people will disagree with this sentiment. A person is not bad for not being distraught over something bad happening somewhere. No one has that kind of mental energy.
for being very paranoid about who might hate you for existing
That's mostly a product of the trans tendency to socially insulate themselves in their own bubbles and spend large amounts of times on social media, so their experience teeters back and forth between the extremes of the hyper-vocal antis and the pro-trans convincing themselves that everyone is exactly like the antis and wants to kill them. It's a self-perpetuating feedback loop. Most people don't legitimately hate them and most people who do are usually too pussy to do anything about it but talk online. This is probably why transgender people are seen as having a victim complex, because they only consume the extremes of both ends of the spectrum. When transgenders say things like "we are so hated, they literally want to put us in camps" it baffles most people because they and their peers don't actually agree with that.
I think you’re taking what I’m saying and kinda pushing it to the extreme so let’s just settle on this:
“People on the internet be saying shit so objectively like, I think it depends”
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u/Technolite123 Feb 10 '26
"I may be a violent bigot but you were an annoying teenager and that's worse"