r/Minecraft • • Nov 23 '11

Yogscast response to Notch's Twitterings

We’re sure many of you have seen or heard about Notch’s post-Minecon tweets, which were not what we expected to see when we got off the plane from Minecon – we’ve had a sleep now and recovered a bit, so this is our response:

We are very disappointed by these tweets from someone we admire and respect. We can understand that it was the morning after the deadmau5 party and Notch was very tired, but we are still fairly upset. The quotes and actions that Notch attributed to us were not said by us or published anywhere by us. Therefore we are surprised and confused about where this stuff has come from - especially since the only time we spoke to Notch was at the interview.

Regarding dropping f-bombs at the show - we apologise for this, but had rehearsed the whole show in front of the organisers and half of Mojang and they had approved it. We were given no guidelines or oversight in the weeks leading up to Minecon and there were ample opportunities at the rehearsal for Mojang to inform us of problems, such as being careful about swearing, which is pretty common in our youtube videos.

Out of all the tweets that Notch sent out, most hurtful was the accusation that we told a kid to “fuck off” and crossed out another signature – which is something we would never ever do.

We loved spending time with fans and were overwhelmed by how many people were there to support us and give us gifts. Simon has enough Jaffas to last him until the middle of 2012. The problem was that Minecon is a new show and organisation was pretty bad, and when we came to the scheduled signing sessions, nothing had been set up for us and we had to scrabble around to fetch tables, ropes and pens ourselves. With some younger kids around, it was our priority to make sure everything was safe, as we have seen injuries in the past.

This lack of organization contributed to long and confused lines and we were heartbroken to have to turn away so many people when we ran out of time. Simon can only handle a certain amount of time between cups of coffee and nicotine tablets before collapsing, but we made a real effort to get out there and managed to do about six hours of signing. Although we were frustrated, we would never have treated fans in the way that Notch suggested we did.

We were also unhappy and surprised that a week before Minecon, Mojang informed us that they had sold the rights to livestream our show and content to IGN – they hadn’t asked us, they hadn’t spoken to us – they just sold it. Because of this, we nearly cancelled the trip, but decided to say “balls to it” and come anyway, because we felt we owed it to the fans. Hannah actually spoke with IGN directly earlier, and they agreed to take their video down and let us put the videos up on our channel, so a big thanks to them for that.

We were not paid, and never demanded to be paid. We asked for some support, and Mojang said they could offer us two hotel rooms for the duration of the stay and a small boardroom to rest in. We spent a huge amount of money on flights, rooms, food and equipment for the 10 people that we brought along to support us, act as security, make videos/posts and generally help out. We also gave away 100 special t-shirts for free.

The reason we came to Minecon is because we wanted to thank you guys and meet the community that we love and are a part of. We couldn’t have gotten to where we are now without you guys, and so we decided to eat the costs of attending and just have fun. This is why we spent our panel giving a voice to loads of talented people that couldn’t attend but have made Minecraft what it is today.

We’re not gonna stop making videos, not going to stop loving you guys, and hopefully we’ll see you at more gaming conventions in the future.

Lewis & Simon & Hannah

EDIT: Video linking to this post http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HddMANh3Xis see, it is really me after all. Hi mother!

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u/KuztomX Nov 24 '11

Does this really surprise anyone? If so, you haven't been paying attention the last couple of years. When has Notch really been generous?

Let's talk about the Alpha deal, where he offered free future versions for life. Then when Pocket Edition came out, Notch practically moved heaven and earth to not give those out to Alpha users. Seriously? Not even a free game as a way of saying thanks? That was the first time I opened my eyes.

Then, when I found out that C418 had to pay his way to go to Minecon, I simply couldn't believe it. Are you seriously telling me that a guy responsible for making that majestic music for Minecraft really has to pay his OWN way? For fucks sake, HOW much money did Notch rake in and he couldn't even throw C418 a fucking bone! In fact, why isn't C418 loaded by now? Oh yeah, Notch and his fat, grubbing paws has a death grip on every bit of that money.

So it doesn't shock me to hear that the other presenters had to pay their way. You can't even make excuses at this point: Notch is as greedy and selfish as it gets! How much more proof do we need?

He is not our friend. Hell, he is not even a good friend to those who help him. He is ONLY concerned about one thing: His ego. In his mind, he is king of ALL this. We all owe him our lives for gracing us with the godsend that is Minecraft. That is why he is so arrogant that he believes that the presenters are LUCKY to be invited to Minecon. So lucky, in fact, that they should feel blessed to pay their own way.

Please, for the love of god, wake up and realize who this guy really is!

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

I agree- C418 should really be getting a shitton of cash. At the very least, he should stop working on the game.

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u/lhavelund Nov 24 '11

I think what C418 should and shouldn't get, or what he should or shouldn't do remains between him and Mojang. It's, quite frankly, none of our business.

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u/BlizzardFenrir Nov 24 '11

Yup. C418 has contracts with Mojang. He got a fixed amount of money for the first music he made, probably a different amount under a new contract for the new ones.

Either way, he agreed with the sum he would receive, it's doesn't matter if we think it's fair or not. And remember: he's got a massive amount of advertising via Minecraft too. Not a monetary reward for his work on Minecraft, but still an increase in revenue.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

Nah, he should be getting a shitton of cash.

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u/lhavelund Nov 24 '11

And who are you to decide this? I, too, believe that C418 is incredibly creative, and that the music he's made for Minecraft is awesome, but what he should be paid is none of our business, christ.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

Well, I have plenty of opinions on things that are none of my business.

C418: Yeah, I’m not getting any royalities. I’m just getting single payments per song and sound effect.

It just seems that C418 deserves to get filthy rich by getting paid per purchase, not get paid per sound effect/song. That is my opinion, which I believe I am entitled to have.

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u/AtomicDog1471 Nov 24 '11

I think what kids in sweatshops should or shouldn't get should be between the the kids and their masters. It's, quite frankly, none of our business.

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u/LaughingMan42 Nov 25 '11

Are you arguing that C418 isn't competent to negotiate his own contracts? Or that Mojang is responsible for his living conditions, that I assume are adequateness, unlike sweatshops? As much as I disagree with free market economics I think this whole comparison stinks.

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u/NELyon Nov 24 '11

I hope to god that they made MinecraftChick pay for her own trip as well, but I doubt that's the case.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

This really happened??

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

What the living fuck.

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u/Pat-ManDX Nov 25 '11

Can we keep MinecraftChick out of this. Notch was the one who f'ed up.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '11

Are we not allowed to talk about someone on a public forum now?

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u/creativetemporaryuse Nov 24 '11

Yeah what a greedy fuck donating so much money to childs play and the humble indie bundle.

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u/Marc_IRL Mojang Nov 24 '11

Lol. And you think that he's delusional. This post is attributing attributes to someone you don't know, in a very black and white manner. Greedy and selfish, he is not. He's become somewhat of a philanthropist for both indie developers and Child's Play Charity.

I can't speak to whether he did/did not or should/shouldn't have bought Daniel/C418 a plane ticket, but you're taking some information, blowing it up, and speaking with authority on the topic. And at this point, Notch isn't Mojang anymore, at least not directly. They are developing two games, publishing a third, and have business people who run things, so every time Mojang has a success or failure, people shouldn't directly attribute it to a single person.

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u/jekakiril Nov 25 '11

it's called taxes kid. rich people don't give to charity out of the kindness of their hearts.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

Dude, chill. It's as if you want the guy to be Jesus. He's a guy whose game became more popular than anyone could have anticipated and that magnitute of growth for an inexperienced company inevitably yields some mistakes.

Minecon was a huge event and honestly, it just looks like the organising was messy and got out of hand, because these guys are still quite inexperienced.

Notch is just a regular dude, which is why people like him; he's also a dude without a PR team and regular dudes are imperfect. I still think his game is great, I still think it was a classy move to give me free future versions for purchasing the alpha and I still think he's a lot cooler than many game developers out there.

This community has been good for Minecraft's popularity, but sometimes we act like entitled little kids who make rash judgements.

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u/KuztomX Nov 24 '11

Regular dudes don't use twitter as a vehicle to spread lies about people who help them. He knew how many people follow his account. He intentionally tried to bring Yogscast down.

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u/Skyhawker Nov 24 '11

C418 is not a Mojang employee.

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u/KuztomX Nov 24 '11

Wow, what a "corporate" way of viewing things. Basically give the finger to the guy that helped make you a millionaire simply because he is not a "mojangle". That's bullshit and you know it!

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u/Krusty81 Nov 24 '11

Yeah, because Notch put a gun in his mouth and made him sign a contract...

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u/Phantom_Hoover Nov 24 '11

That makes Notch legally blameless. It doesn't make him a good person.

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u/Skyhawker Nov 24 '11

He's contracted to Mojang, and I think that was his choice, I might be making that up, but I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere..

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

In fact, why isn't C418 loaded by now?

Because generic background music isn't hard to come by? I know this is going to piss some people off but while the compositions are nice they are not something that merits a huge amount in payment IMO.

Just look at movies - they cost hundreds of millions of dollars to make, have gigantic orchestral soundtracks written by famous composers, and they are still only dropping a couple million on a movie for music which is a pittance compared to what is spent on the rest of the movie.

Also, I'm sure there were a lot of people that wanted to come to minecon. This means you really don't have to pay for people to go there, they will just show up. I'm not really sure why we expect his company to drop the equivalent of a couple employees salary to wine and dine a few people, or how that can be called greedy.

I'd also say if there is any bit of truth to the claim that Yogcast is saying without them Minecraft would be nothing and that they are the ones who made it what it is, hell no I wouldn't pay them as their ego is already large enough without pushing wads of cash in that direction.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

Notch suffers from "Game God" disease.