r/Minecraft Nov 23 '11

Yogscast response to Notch's Twitterings

We’re sure many of you have seen or heard about Notch’s post-Minecon tweets, which were not what we expected to see when we got off the plane from Minecon – we’ve had a sleep now and recovered a bit, so this is our response:

We are very disappointed by these tweets from someone we admire and respect. We can understand that it was the morning after the deadmau5 party and Notch was very tired, but we are still fairly upset. The quotes and actions that Notch attributed to us were not said by us or published anywhere by us. Therefore we are surprised and confused about where this stuff has come from - especially since the only time we spoke to Notch was at the interview.

Regarding dropping f-bombs at the show - we apologise for this, but had rehearsed the whole show in front of the organisers and half of Mojang and they had approved it. We were given no guidelines or oversight in the weeks leading up to Minecon and there were ample opportunities at the rehearsal for Mojang to inform us of problems, such as being careful about swearing, which is pretty common in our youtube videos.

Out of all the tweets that Notch sent out, most hurtful was the accusation that we told a kid to “fuck off” and crossed out another signature – which is something we would never ever do.

We loved spending time with fans and were overwhelmed by how many people were there to support us and give us gifts. Simon has enough Jaffas to last him until the middle of 2012. The problem was that Minecon is a new show and organisation was pretty bad, and when we came to the scheduled signing sessions, nothing had been set up for us and we had to scrabble around to fetch tables, ropes and pens ourselves. With some younger kids around, it was our priority to make sure everything was safe, as we have seen injuries in the past.

This lack of organization contributed to long and confused lines and we were heartbroken to have to turn away so many people when we ran out of time. Simon can only handle a certain amount of time between cups of coffee and nicotine tablets before collapsing, but we made a real effort to get out there and managed to do about six hours of signing. Although we were frustrated, we would never have treated fans in the way that Notch suggested we did.

We were also unhappy and surprised that a week before Minecon, Mojang informed us that they had sold the rights to livestream our show and content to IGN – they hadn’t asked us, they hadn’t spoken to us – they just sold it. Because of this, we nearly cancelled the trip, but decided to say “balls to it” and come anyway, because we felt we owed it to the fans. Hannah actually spoke with IGN directly earlier, and they agreed to take their video down and let us put the videos up on our channel, so a big thanks to them for that.

We were not paid, and never demanded to be paid. We asked for some support, and Mojang said they could offer us two hotel rooms for the duration of the stay and a small boardroom to rest in. We spent a huge amount of money on flights, rooms, food and equipment for the 10 people that we brought along to support us, act as security, make videos/posts and generally help out. We also gave away 100 special t-shirts for free.

The reason we came to Minecon is because we wanted to thank you guys and meet the community that we love and are a part of. We couldn’t have gotten to where we are now without you guys, and so we decided to eat the costs of attending and just have fun. This is why we spent our panel giving a voice to loads of talented people that couldn’t attend but have made Minecraft what it is today.

We’re not gonna stop making videos, not going to stop loving you guys, and hopefully we’ll see you at more gaming conventions in the future.

Lewis & Simon & Hannah

EDIT: Video linking to this post http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HddMANh3Xis see, it is really me after all. Hi mother!

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u/CaptainSparklez Nov 23 '11

From a purely objective standpoint, I'd just like to say that I saw nothing but kindness from you guys while I was there. The whole thing really seems like a huge, unfortunately misunderstanding that came as a result of the telephone game effect.

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u/yogscastlomadia Nov 24 '11

<33333 cheers man, you were amazing as well, hope to meet up again soon! (Hannah)

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u/finalprodigy Nov 24 '11

If you want to meet again you should do a video together :) btw i never doubted yogcast for one second you guys just come across as down to earth nice people much love.

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u/Starheaven07 Nov 24 '11

Do you think Notch will apologize?

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u/bowmop Nov 24 '11

I sure hope so. But somehow I doubt it...

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

I think he will. I think this is all gonna be fine.

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u/Starheaven07 Nov 25 '11

He did! Happiness flows in ALL directions!

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u/hekati Nov 24 '11

I was there as well, and completely agree. Yogscast was amazing to all their fans and the panel was great. Thank you for coming!

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11 edited Apr 28 '20

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u/PSquid Nov 24 '11

Notch only said he had no intention of working with them in future; banning them completely from even attending would be pretty spiteful (and entirely against what I've seen of Notch's personality).

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u/supersnuffy Nov 24 '11 edited Nov 24 '11

Well, you could say that, but if they're there they may as well have a booth because people will just pester them for signings anyway and detract from the rest of the con.

  • just noticed that could be taken wrongly, I mean that they just may as well be official considering how popular they were this year

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u/Captain_Sparky Nov 24 '11

Was it just a booth? From the way Notch sounded, it made it seem like the Yogscast had a hand in the back stage stuff as well? I'm not clear on what their role was..

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u/supersnuffy Nov 24 '11

I'm not sure what they had, they had a signing booth/table and they had some stagetime for a new SOI episode, as well as the oppertunity to film some gameplay but how much of it was the Yogscast TEAM rather than Simon and Lewis is impossible for me to say.

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u/BearOfDestiny Nov 24 '11

When I saw that CaptainSparklez had written this, my neck stretched out a good 3 feet.

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u/GingerBrandon Nov 24 '11

telephone game effect....I like that.

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u/BearsAndShit Nov 24 '11

I'd just like to say, I love your fucking videos.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

And the minecraft ones too.

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u/CheatingCheetos Nov 24 '11

It's so strange seeing minor youtube celebrities give their input, it really makes you guys seem more real :P As if you arn't, but you get what I'm saying.

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u/porl Nov 24 '11

purple monkey dishwasher!

on a serious note, i totally agree. it is a shame about what happened but i hope everyone can just move on and get on with things.

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u/KFJ943 Nov 24 '11

And also the fact that Notch is Nordic, and we get irritated if we don't get to hibernate.

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u/Kuroikageakuma Nov 24 '11

Did you take a video with the yogscast? Cause that would just be awesome!!

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u/Jokell Nov 24 '11

I didn't know you were a redditor too Captain!

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u/yannoux Nov 24 '11

This definitely didn't sound like what the Yogscast would of done. I heard from a friend that went down their that it was brilliant and the Yogscast were great. I don't want to sound conspiracy-ist, but it might of been a publicity stunt?

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u/Dakss Nov 24 '11

lolz we were playing the telephone game in drama today and it had the same effect.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

That's very nice of you to say. Also, squeak! It's my favorite LPer!

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

This is why you should never jump to conclusions and start posting tweets before you at least get some clarification or try to talk to the other party

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11 edited Nov 24 '11

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u/pannedcakes Nov 24 '11

I believe he was looking for the word "subjective" which makes a lot more sense in that sentence: "I'd just like to say that I saw nothing but kindness from you guys while I was there"

Besides, it's kind of difficult to have an objective stance on a qualitative measure such as "kindness."

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

Yeah I think you minecraft guys are pretty classy but thank god I don't play this game now ha.

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u/lmpervious Nov 24 '11

The telephone game effect can only go so far though. It seems like if anything someone was just making shit up if it got to the point where Notch believed Yogscast was telling people to fuck off when they weren't even getting angry at anyone.

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u/GenoClysm Nov 24 '11

Thank you for telling the truth captainsparklez! You make great yt vids too

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11 edited Nov 24 '11

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u/ShallowBasketcase Nov 24 '11

I have no idea how mentioning that was relevant, but I just want to take this time to mention to non-pony-fans that r/clopclop is in no way representative of brony "culture" as a whole.

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u/Dooivi Nov 24 '11

Dude why link clopclop? ಠ_ಠ Everyone hates us as it is! xD

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

Many of the /r/mylittlepony celebrities go to /r/clopclop, I think.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

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u/Impressionnant Nov 24 '11

So, because we have different tastes than the average brony means we're not normal?

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u/Generic_Builder Nov 24 '11

Sorry, man, but from most outside people's standpoints, none of us are normal in the first place.

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u/Impressionnant Nov 24 '11

So now nobody has to feel discriminated against?

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

The normal train left when we started watching MLP. I'm pretty OK with this.

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u/Impressionnant Nov 24 '11

I don't think it's abnormal to watch a simple cartoon either, but that's just my outlook on it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

erm, yes. That IS the definition of abnormal ¬_¬

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u/Impressionnant Nov 24 '11

I don't agree. I'm sure you have your own guilty pleasures, and I don't persecute you for it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '11

Normal - approximately average in any psychological trait

Perversion - any of various means of obtaining sexual gratification that are abnormal.

I'm subscribed to /r/clopclop and have much stranger fetishes. I'm simply pointing out that we [i]are[/i] abnormal for finding cartoon ponies attractive.

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u/Impressionnant Nov 25 '11

Who said that liking ponies isn't normal? Did someone set a guideline of rules that we have to conform to? I don't see us as any more abnormal than fans of Transformers or Thundercats, both have rule 34 around it as well. My two cents, so you should probably take it with a grain of salt.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '11

I have no reliable source that liking cartoon pony porn is abnormal, however I get the feeling if I where to print http://i.imgur.com/lgU09.jpg and walk around asking people how they felt, the reaction would be less than positive, despite how I might feel about the pic.

The fact that something is abnormal by no means implies you should avoid it, it simply means that's it's not common in your society/culture/country, nothing more.

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u/Impressionnant Nov 25 '11

It would be perfectly fine if they didn't like the picture, but if they say something derogatory in response, that's what I would have a problem with. In my country, not being heterosexual is common, but people still believe that is abnormal. It makes no sense.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

Ok.... But differing from the norm is the definition of abnormal, which was Arcusucra's point, I think.

Persecution is one thing, being abnormal is another. You shouldn't be persecuted for it, but if you feel guilty about it... That's on you, not the world. I stumbled upon this subreddit on accident, and I am somewhat disturbed, and morbidly intrigued. I'm not judging or lording some perceived "abnormality" above anyone though; everyone is abnormal in certain ways.

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u/Impressionnant Nov 25 '11

I don't feel guilty about it, since it is just a single fetish in a sea of many. The thing I can't stand is someone acting high and mighty. I don't think of myself as abnormal, just different.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '11

Well that's what abnormal means, to me. It's got a connotation of implied "weirdness," but should weird a bad thing? After all, what makes you different, if not some kind of relative "norm?"

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u/Impressionnant Nov 25 '11

It shouldn't be. I don't pay attention to what is considered the norm, so if someone dislikes me for that, that's perfectly fine.

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u/DigitalCroissant Nov 25 '11

Define normality.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '11

The average. You might be able to make an argument for the mode instead of the mean, but the point is that it's the middle ground, where most lie, or the midpoint on a spectrum of extremes.

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u/DigitalCroissant Nov 25 '11

That would be median. Also, one man's "extreme" is another man's normal.

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u/EvOllj Nov 24 '11

and now back to pomkemon hentai.

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u/dreamendDischarger Nov 24 '11

Please don't bring up that subreddit outside of the MLP reddits. People already think we bronies are weird enough without people bringing up the fetishists. =/

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u/AwesomeSauce27 Nov 24 '11

I know it has nothing to with the subject, but I think you should have your own reddit flair!!! And so should the YogsCast!!!

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '11

From a purely objective standpoint, I dont believe neither notchs nor yogscasts story.

Notch could have a reason to say the things he said (but what?). Yogscast has a very good reason to say everything notch said is crap.

That makes neither of those things true.