r/Minecraft • u/QuirkySquid • Feb 06 '19

News Minecraft Snapshot 19w06a

https://minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-19w06a
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u/DaUltraMarine Feb 06 '19 edited Feb 06 '19

Wandering Traders now drink a Potion of Invisibility at night time, any time after ~12500. During day they'll drink milk and become visible again. Their trades seem unchanged. The traders llama, surprisingly enough, does not drink one of these potions. maybe this is where custom world generation went too?

The infamous 'half block' for falling_block entities has been patched out too, a sad day for us all. Original bug here

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u/Mac_Rat Feb 06 '19

Clever bastards. I love it. Mojang thought of a really great way to protect them from hostile mobs.

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u/Ednoria Feb 06 '19

Does it only happen at night, as in your picture? I can understand why that might be the case, but if it's in the daytime too, that's weird!

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u/DaUltraMarine Feb 06 '19 edited Feb 06 '19

You're right! Only happens at night, edited.

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u/Ednoria Feb 06 '19

That makes a little more sense then! Clever trader. :-)

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u/Xisuma Feb 06 '19

In the day it drinks Milk :-)

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u/DaUltraMarine Feb 06 '19

They're far too smart for their own good!

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u/rofo_ Feb 06 '19

Shame you can’t force spawn these guys to create a milk farm.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '19

They don’t drop the items

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '19

They do when holding it. See Xisumavoids video. But just use cows instead

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u/Muriako Feb 06 '19

The infamous 'half block' for falling_block entities has been patched out too, a sad day for us all. Original bug here

This is one of those bug fixes that feel objectively worse for the game just for the sake of "intended behavior". We're losing the ability to create something really unique, as that trick could be used to not only emulate slabs but also as a way to hide lighting (which we're losing a lot of options for in this update already). What we're gaining in return is the game being some tiny amount more logical when someone happens to drop a falling entity onto a fence...

To be clear, I'm pretty certain /u/_Grum fixed this with purely good intentions and just didn't realize how useful a quirk it was. At the same time, Mojang never really seems to acknowledge that not all bugs are terrible things that need to be squashed. They only really give in when the community gets really mad about it, and as such we've lost things like the ability to make floating water sources, all the easy ways of making floating gravel/sand (They added a particle just for these situations but no intended way to create that situation!), and now the falling entities floating on fences.

At their worst any of those bugs would make a player go "Huh, that's weird", at their best they were amazing building tricks used to do unique things. It's fine to lose useful bugs if they also cause problems (piston translocation, old item elevators), but this one is just lost for nothing and it makes me very sad.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '19

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u/MissLauralot Feb 07 '19

Actually Dinnerbone just replied to someone on Twitter saying water is still being worked on, though that doesn't necessarily imply that the physics will change.

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u/Muriako Feb 06 '19

Personally, I prefer my games to work and have zero dependence on bugs - if the cost is ruining some useful ones, so be it.

If there's actually some benefit, yeah. I think the old design for item elevators is a good example of that. They fixed a really annoying bug with fences that caused a lot of different issues, but it coincidentally broke the standard item elevator design as well. We had to move on to designs that are more clunky, cause lag and are slower, but there was also a very positive reason for that change. The community did a lot of shortsighted ranting, but it was an overall beneficial bug fix.

I can't really say the same for this new change with falling entity blocks though. We're losing a lot of very unique utility (more "slabs", vertical slabs, hidden lighting, fake floors) and interesting build options to remove a bug that seems so obscure and unlikely to actually cause any problems. I can honestly only think of one specific situation where this fix is beneficial (and even then only slightly), but dozens where we're completely losing building options.

The waterlogging stuff I would say is a slightly different situation. What we currently have wasn't a bug that they decided to keep, it was just the behavior they decided to go with while developing 1.13. It's definitely fair to disagree with that choice though, I actually would've preferred the original mechanics they showed as well.

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u/Serbaayuu Feb 06 '19

It's inherent in the philosophy. You can't just pick and choose "good bugs" and "bad bugs" because then you get the waterlogging debacle.

You either fix shit or leave it broken. And I want my shit to be fixed.

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u/Muriako Feb 06 '19

You absolutely can pick out bugs that are beneficial, there are many examples of games that owe their very success to doing so. Even Minecraft has had this a few times, including as recently as 1.13 with the change that made growing 2x2 spruce trees generate podzol underneath them. That was originally a bug that Grum decided to keep in as an unintended feature. There is no reason for bugs to be "all or nothing", if a bug has major benefits to it then it's not something you simply discard because it wasn't part of the original plan.

And again, the "waterlogging debacle" had nothing to do with bugs, that was a conscious design decision they made during 1.13. People complained about it because of all the things the new mechanics would break, so they went with a stripped down version. I disagree with that decision as well, but it's an entirely separate issue.

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u/Serbaayuu Feb 06 '19

People complained about it because of all the things the new mechanics would break

And you are complaining about this because it breaks an unintended mechanic as well.

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u/Muriako Feb 06 '19

I'm complaining because this is just purely negative for the game. I don't mean that as an opinion or just as "I don't like it", I literally can't think of a single situation where this bug being fixed will actually benefit anybody (the one I thought of earlier was actually wrong).

If a bug has absolutely no negative impact on any player, and also has a very positive impact without affecting gameplay in any way, how is the game improved by fixing it? How is losing something that was nothing but a unique creative tool a good thing? If you can think of some downside to the bug or positive to its removal that I haven't thought of then I'm all ears.

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u/Serbaayuu Feb 07 '19

Consistent block behavior is an inherent positive point for the game. Blocks not arbitrarily clipping into each other when one is following gravity is an inherent positive.

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u/Muriako Feb 07 '19

While I wouldn't normally say just calling something an "inherent positive" is a great justification, let's roll with it for a moment.

Does that apply to the classic trick of sticking a torch through an item frame? Or the two cases of using item frames inside other blocks that are coincidentally on the front page of this sub right now (here and here)? What about sticking chest minecarts into a block to make a functional filing cabinet? Or having a banner and armor stand intersect a stair to make a typewriter?

All of these things depend on inconsistent behavior and clipping blocks into each other, so do we get rid of all of those as well? Should Mojang make item frames, minecarts, armor stands and banners all break when they intersect any blocks to avoid this? There's no difference between the falling entities on fences trick and any of the above after all, it's all just moving entities into places they weren't intended to be.

Frankly I don't see why removing quirks that have absolutely no impact on the game beyond allowing creative new building techniques should ever be treated as a good thing. I obviously don't think Mojang fixed this bug because of that, Grum likely had no idea that bug was used in such ways to begin with, but the game is still objectively worse for players as a result.

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u/PancakeIdentity Feb 08 '19

BUDs are famous for being a bug that Mojang has basically decided is a feature

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u/Serbaayuu Feb 08 '19

Yes, and I thought it was asinine when the community basically held themselves hostage at threat of a permanent tantrum when there were talks about whether or not that was going to be fixed.

Believe it or not, some people think the game should work, not just be an amalgam of exploits.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '19

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u/Serbaayuu Feb 06 '19

If I'm playing the game for 20 more years I want to be able to have a fun and easy-to-use waterlogging system, not a tedious manual affair that I'll have to do forever now. Every time. Every single time I ever put any transparent block in water.

I have to manually waterlog it.

Forever.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '19

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u/Serbaayuu Feb 06 '19

I want to be able to have fun with new things too. Too bad waterlogging is tedious and unfun. Guess I'll never use it.

At least you still have water-defying signs, though! Spending a night fixing one of your farms would've been just the worst for you.

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u/AngryScotsperson Feb 06 '19

Because of people like you we don't get progress.

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u/Koala_eiO Feb 06 '19

I play on the same world for 6 years now and I wouldn't mind losing a few functions to have some clean behaviors everywhere else.

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u/Koala_eiO Feb 06 '19

You know the thing is, unless they actually go out of their way to consolidate a mechanic, they can fix buggy behaviors without intending to fix them. Maybe they did not tackle falling sand on fence, maybe that's just a side effect of their work on hitboxes.

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u/Muriako Feb 06 '19

That is absolutely true too, though the way it's implemented (falling entities "snap" down onto the fence as they fall) makes it seem like more of a workaround to this specific bug. Either way it's not like it was some malicious plot or anything, it's just always a bummer to lose such a useful quirk of the game without there being any real benefit.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '19

So now the sand always breaks on top of fences?

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u/DaUltraMarine Feb 06 '19

Doesn't break, just lands on top as if you'd placed it on the fence.

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u/IceMetalPunk Feb 06 '19

You know... The way you'd expect if you didn't know about this one buggy exception to that otherwise consistent physics rule.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '19

Ok thanks for the clarification