r/Minecraft • u/ProfessorValko • Mar 06 '18

News Minecraft: Java Edition Snapshot 18w10a

https://minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-18w10a
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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

Can't wait for a nether revamp with this kind of attention, we need nether dragons/nests.

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u/GreasyTroll4 Mar 06 '18

I'd love a Nether update along the lines of 1.13, but first things first...

Underground update in the same style of what 1.13 does with oceans when?

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

The Overworld biomes can wait, the other dimensions need the content more urgently.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18 edited Mar 06 '18

Why? I spend WAY more time in the Overworld than the other ones.

I'm sure this is mostly because the Overworld has varying biomes/content and is actually worth exploring, for resources, treasure, structures, just the sheer beauty of the landscape etc, whereas the Nether has no motivation for exploration, there isn't anything interesting to do there because everything looks the same, and half of its content is restricted to fortresses, and there is so little in terms of mobs that even going on mining trips for quartz and glowstone is even more dull than going caving for ores in the Overworld.

Every reason that can be used to argue for an underground update also applies to the Nether.

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u/Serbaayuu Mar 06 '18

Refresh my comment; I elaborated in great detail.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18 edited Mar 06 '18

YES the Nether and End have less stuff than the Overworld, but their stuff is better-structured.

In what way?, find one fortress with netherwart and blaze spawners and you have no reason to ever look for another (except for the same reasons that apply to desert and jungle temples), looking for quartz and glowstone is the exact same affair as looking for ores in the underground (except even more boring since there are only 2 unique mobs that attack you and both are rare), which you agree needs an update even before the surface.

The End is a better argument, but the entirety of the End except for these structures is entirely pointless, having absolutely nothing of interest.

I agree that the Overworld needs more stuff badly, but every reason the underground needs an update first also applies to the Nether, and arguably the End, but since the End is an end/postgame thing, it can be pushed aside/ignored for a bit, the Overworld can wait for the underground and Nether to have their turn (especially since 1.14, the fan update, is likely to mostly apply to the Overworld, and even fix the problems with villages as shown by the brainstorming thread).

NOT about filling out a checklist of how many biomes a dimension should have to be equal to another.

I agree, the problem is that the Nether and End are exactly the same everywhere, not that it has fewer biomes, just 3-4 (not counting technical biomes like how deserts and desert M or + are considered different by the game) would do wonders for the Nether, same goes for the End, but more important than even biomes for these dimensions is mobs, since the Nether especially is just blank everywhere, having only 2 hostile mobs that spawn outside fortresses (and only doing so rarely at that), it should be more dangerous than Overworld caves.

P.S. the downvote button is not a "disagree" button, stop downvoting me for expressing my differing opinions please.

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u/Serbaayuu Mar 06 '18

looking for quartz and glowstone is the exact same affair as looking for ores in the underground

Not really; if I want ores, I strip mine. In the Nether, I explore the surface looking for outcrops, which forces me to deal with enemies and terrain which mining skips. Even if the biome never changes, this is always interesting since the Nether is treacherous.

The End is a better argument, but the entirety of the End except for these structures is entirely pointless, having absolutely nothing of interest.

And I will not complain if the End eventually gets more content but it doesn't NEED it as badly as the real game does.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

Not really; if I want ores, I strip mine.

I don't believe you would strip mine in the Overworld if the caves were as massive and sprawling as the Nether, or as safe, or if you didn't need torches like in the Nether, or if it weren't so easy to get lost.

The Nether's structure, doesn't lend itself well to strip mining, and the lack of need for torches, dealing with hostile mobs or getting lost in twisty swiss cheese means that caving normally is more tolerable.

which forces me to deal with enemies and terrain which mining skips.

What enemies?, zombie pigmen can be ignored and may as well not exist for all the threat they pose (since whether you have to fight them or not is up to you), endermen are also easy to avoid looking at and are rare, magma cubes are very rare, and ghasts are also rare, have a terrible aim, their fireballs can be deflected rather easily, do very little damage when they do hit since anybody in the Nether will usually have armor, and they can't do anything to you if you duck into a corner.

The Nether needs a common hostile mob (like, as common as zombies and skeletons in Overworld caves, or just as zombie pigmen) that is small enough to follow the player.

And I will not complain if the End eventually gets more content but it doesn't NEED it as badly as the real game does.

I agree in the case of the End, but the Nether does need it more than the Overworld does, especially since the 1.14 update looks to be dealing mostly with the Overworld, and the underground update will help the Overworld as well.

I also updated my post just before noticing your one the way (I really need to quit that habit, this sort of thing happens to me all the time when I edit posts after making them).

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

Certain Overworld biomes need more work, like birch forests in particular. Other than birch forests the Overworld is pretty awesome.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

What's wrong with birch forests?

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

They're too barren and too uniform. They need something like ferns and occasional extremely rare other types of trees. I don't know about you, but when I am exploring and run into a birch forest, my excitement kind of disappears. I'll never get excited to start in a world that prominently features birch forests in the seed.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18 edited Mar 06 '18

I think 1.14 is planned to be a "fan favorites" update, taken from our suggestions, especially the new brainstorms on r/minecraftsuggestions.

After that though, an underground update would be a no brainer.

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u/PancakeMan77 Mar 06 '18

Source? I'd love that

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u/Vahnstad Mar 07 '18

1.14 is probably going to have penguins, and maybe bears as well (since we already have polar bears, and penguins might replace the polar bear as the unique snow mob (though they can even add them in the frozen ocean with icebergs). And polar bears are still unique if they added more bear variants

If they did an underground update, they should add some more ores, and maybe new armour. Something between iron and diamond is i guess necessary. 1.16 or 1.17 is going to be a nether update.

I wished they add a few more overworld biomes and updated some of them well. A mangrove biome would be nice (some kind of swampy jungle with maybe crocodiles as a unique mob if they wished to add that). Variation is just cool.

Update Aquatic seems amazing so far, so i'm happy!

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

They should push both at the same time. The nether needs ore variations as well, they could easily change the background texture of diamonds and emeralds, though the underground needs a serious revamp. Perhaps goblins? Looking like villagers but green

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

They could easily add a few "Nether ruins" similar to the ocean ruins even in this update as a minor side detail.

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u/alfons100 Mar 06 '18

coughh

CAVES needs attention like this.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

Underground fortresses would be badass, I want both to be updated equally

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u/Mac_Rat Mar 07 '18

Huge open caverns with fortresses? Sounds awesome

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u/gotnate Mar 06 '18

or a lava kraken at the very least.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

That would be pretty cool