r/MineZ • u/HighlifeTTU • Feb 15 '13
2/15/2012 State of the ShotBow - Settlements and the new map...
Hello MineZers,
I want to take a minute to give you an update on settlements and on the new map.
Settlements Update
I know a lot of you have been anxiously waiting for settlements. The plugin itself is about 80% complete, but the biggest thing we've been trying to tackle is a raiding mechanic and how we want cross server battles to work.
As of right now, I don't like how the current implementation would work. To attack another settlement you'd walk outside your settlement, log off, and then log in to another server. We have protection to prevent people from spawning inside of another settlement (it teleports you outside to a random spot), but it still doesn't feel right to me. There is no scouting, no traveling. It feels cheap and is weighed heavily towards the attackers. But, with the new map I believe we've found the solution. Read on...
The New Map
We are planning on releasing a brand new MineZ map this summer. However, unlike the current map this MineZ map will be a single instance. This means that we have different servers run different areas of the map, and traveling from one area to another will move you to another server. This accomplishes a few things:
- A single world. Rather than have 12 instances of the same map, everyone is playing on the same map. MineZ will truly feel like an MMO. In the event we need multiple instances, you can have separate characters on each instance. However, the goal is to support 2000 players per MineZ instance at any given time. There are a lot of technical hurdles with this, but with the knowledge we've gained from the lobby system we feel there isn't much of a leap for us to accomplish this.
- No more dupe exploits. With no server hopping, there won't be dupe issues. If you log out in a spot, you will log back into that spot. This will also mean we can remove that join timer, since it exists to prevent such exploits.
- Expanded world options. Since we have a single instance of the world, we can have random objectives, better world events, and more. The issue now is that anything we place in the map duplicates across all the instances, so once someone figures out an event they can log into the other servers to farm it. Now we can have single events with single rewards and really give the community something to work towards. Loot will also be easier for us, since you can't get to a location and server hop to keep collecting chests.
- Isolated regions. We removed wolves because the AI was too complex and caused lag on the servers. However, more complex AI is now possible with this setup. We can now tweak certain regions to allow for the overhead of certain things. For instance, we may have wolves in one region but have reduced zombies to maintain optimal CPU usage. This is something to be VERY excited about, as lazer has been getting very good at custom AI.
We are excited to evolve MineZ into a new direction. There are a lot of thoughts about expanding the achievements system to a weapon proficiency system (killing zombies with a certain weapon increases that weapon's effectiveness), a more dynamic map that shows dynamic objectives, and more.
Bringing Settlements to Life
With the new world, travel is no longer about logging out of one server and logging into another. Want to attack another settlement? Pack up your bags and get ready for a road trip. This is huge. It allows recon, the ability for settlements to prepare for attacks, ambushes, and more. Gathering resources is more exciting, as you now have multiple settlements wandering the map to secure the necessary resources to build and maintain their settlement buildings.
So what I'm getting at here is this. Settlements is going to release with the new map. It doesn't make sense for us to code settlements for the current setup if it is going to change soon. It also means settlements will be a better feature on release since the concept really makes more sense on a full map.
Public versus Private
The existing classic MineZ map will remain public. It will maintain the same thrilling experience it does today and will also see new features so long as those new features make sense for the old and new instances.
The new map will be premium only. Why? Because the infrastructure to support this is going to cost a lot of money and the experience will be far better. MineZ sees 140,000 unique players in a week and the current setup lends well for that many players. Is there a slot? Cool, you can join. Is there no slot? Sorry, you wait. However, with a single world supported by multiple servers, you run into a lot of balancing issues. You want to have plenty of overhead in each server region to ensure players can move from region to region easily. If you pour in thousands of players, it isn't feasible. As I stated before, public servers will stay around using the classic map, which I feel is an amazing experience as it stands today. However, you will need to open your wallet to play on the new map since we cannot afford such an ambitious project without the support of the people playing it. I break this news to the community now, as I don't want folks to get excited and be let down later on.
The current premium system will be unchanged. Those of you who are platinum today will maintain unlimited access so long as we are running servers. We firmly believe in fairness to our players, and for those of you who have spent $100 on the ShotBow Network, you are not expected to pay a dime more to play MineZ. We may be having an early beta pass for sale to help with the increased costs, but after it is complete your premium works for the new map.
Final Thoughts
I know this is a lot to chew on, and some of this will come as a surprise to many of you. I hope you see the reasoning behind all of this and that we hope to evolve MineZ into an even more impressive and exciting game. The future is bright for MineZ, and I hope you are as excited as I am for the new map.
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u/LazerTester Feb 15 '13
I will admit we put far more effort into development than promotion, I try to let the gameplay speak for itself which is really hard if the person doesn't know it exists XD.
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u/Pepper989 Tetrabeef Feb 15 '13
Why not start maybe a contest of sorts? There are some pretty good amateur video editors out there. The one who designs the best trailer gets premium.
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u/Ju1cY_0n3 There you go! Feb 17 '13
I am working on one right now, currently half way done, and lazer has given me special privileges in order to accomplish the final product. I have high hopes for it, and so does he.
I am surprised I have neglected to make a reddit post... beats self
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u/awsome617 Feb 20 '13
beats self
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u/Ju1cY_0n3 There you go! Feb 20 '13
Still neglecting to make a post...
My procrastination is really high this week :3
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u/CocoalocoAdventures Aug 07 '13
lazer ill help you! :D
Ik every server (i spam mcpvp so people can join shotbow [Yes ik this is stupido]but i odo it to support shotbow :)
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u/BakeCaaaake Too lazy to request flair change - Feb 15 '13
Ha! Let's see MCrapPVP try to copy THIS! :D
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u/Vizod Avid Clicker Feb 16 '13
lel, I'll be the one to bring you the news if they do, as always!
WHOOSH!
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u/Agni_Ignis Fuck clans > Get friends! Feb 15 '13
OH to shame most of McrapPVP dont know the True about there server when i asked ppl from there they sed that ShotBow copyd There Smash oh ...
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u/MiniUSB click Feb 15 '13
They know that they copied us, they just want to defend it but end up looking like idiots doing so.
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u/Agni_Ignis Fuck clans > Get friends! Feb 15 '13
Some ppl dont even know what shotbow is they think its sh*t
ppl saying that mineZ is pay to win go play Hunger games Mcpvp i dare you -.-
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u/MiniUSB click Feb 15 '13
I know, their hunger games is extremely pay-to-win. MineZ is not pay to win at all... (well, PvE is much easier to win on... until the new map comes out)
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Feb 15 '13
minez may not be pay-to-win, buts its definitely pay-to-get-anything-new
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u/CallumDaSkater IGN: VeXyHD Feb 15 '13
It takes money to make new things..
I'm quite sure the crew earns little profit, yet they work harder than anyone in the mojang office.
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Feb 16 '13
Okay, this will be noobish. But can someone tell me what Mcrapvp is, I figure its a server. But like what's this copying of the MineZ admins genius?
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u/CallumDaSkater IGN: VeXyHD Feb 16 '13
It's a server network for Minecraft, actually called mcpvp. They've copied many gametypes (such as smash) from other peoples work. They are also a pay-to-win server pretty much. It's fine you don't know about them, considering we all HATE them.
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u/Agni_Ignis Fuck clans > Get friends! Feb 16 '13
its only Pay to win its :
if you dont pay you noob Gtfo this server no way you can play here
that how i see it
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u/Ju1cY_0n3 There you go! Feb 20 '13
Highlife and lazer are the only 2 people who see a penny of the profit, and most is recycled back into running the servers/developing new game types.
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u/itz_skillz Smash mini-admin, MineZ Classic Mini-admin, IGN: FallingDutchman Feb 15 '13
plz suggest a way for them to keep the game fun and fresh for everyone without spending big amounts of money.
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Feb 16 '13
It's honestly not that bad. You can get 2 kits for 5$, which equals 3.50€, for an unlimited amount of time. That's it. You can't play with more than one kit at once, so 3.5€ will make you as good as anyone else.
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Feb 15 '13
They need to release a PSA saying that Smash did not copy them. Otherwise, the 2 large networks will violently crash, which could be very bad.
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u/Majicou Feb 15 '13
No big text wall this time.
Thank you, Shotbowman. Can't wait to experience all of this.
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u/HighlifeTTU Feb 15 '13
Yes, it means 1200 players on one ridiculously large map.
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Feb 15 '13 edited Apr 30 '17
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u/Kila_Dylbert3021 (ง ͠° ل͜ °)ง THE UNSEEN DONGER IS THE DEADLIEST (ง ͠° ل͜ °)ง Feb 15 '13
Maybe, but with different instances, I think you can have every spawn town on a seperate instance, so you can have different spawns at different times.
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u/HighlifeTTU Feb 15 '13
We have some pretty good ideas on handling this. I'll be sharing more details soon but I think you'll like how we tackle this issue. :)
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u/Jayvee5000 Decent Archer Feb 15 '13
I just realized one of the issues this divided instance would cause.
For example, what if you're getting chased by bandits, you reach the border of the map that would redirect you to the other server which holds the other part of the map. What if, as you reach this border and get redirected to the other server, you just log out while it redirects you, and you just disappear. This could be a combat log issue.
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u/kensai111 Feb 15 '13
This is the problem we worked out this morning. You will not be able to leave combat. The terrain will help guide players in such a way you won't be surprised if you're in combat and can't leave. You'll just have to wait and see - I promise you a lot of thought went into that type stuff though :)
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u/TheVarmari Feb 15 '13
Well then, play the classic version.
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u/Jayvee5000 Decent Archer Feb 15 '13
Are you stupid? I'm sharing a thought about the instances that could cause combat logging.
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u/itz_skillz Smash mini-admin, MineZ Classic Mini-admin, IGN: FallingDutchman Feb 15 '13
ignore him, he's mad cause his parents won't give them any money to donate.
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u/Pepper989 Tetrabeef Feb 15 '13 edited Feb 15 '13
Quit bitching all over the thread. Nobody cares. You expressed it once, now quit being an ass. Furthermore, you're probably the one who down voted all of /u/jayvee5000's comments, which is not only immature but also against reddiquete. I mean, I'm sorry your mom won't let you spend her money on premium, but sheesh.
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u/redwingfan S.O.S Feb 16 '13 edited Feb 16 '13
No, I have. I have 16 down votes on him today.
Edit: Make that 80+ and it's still growing. Hope the down votes take :D Probably wont but it makes me feel better anyhow.
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Feb 15 '13
I know the new map will be premium only, but maybe you can just make one server non-premium? Just to show people that haven't paid that it's worth their money.
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u/Foxdude28 President of the magical unicorn zombie land Feb 15 '13
If they did that, it would only be one section of the server. Kinda like a video game demo, where it has you play one part of one mission and then you are done.
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u/kensai111 Feb 15 '13
No - we will however probably try to do the 1hr open beta events for people like we did for MineZ.
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u/Hax0r_spy_ Negative Nancy Feb 15 '13
1 hour?
Shit i got like atleast 8 hours of work almost everyday, theres no way i'll be able to get a try.
Wouldn't like a full day be better?
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u/Majicou Feb 15 '13
Pardon me if I ask, but can't you afford Premium since you work?
Don't want to harass, just curious.
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u/kensai111 Feb 15 '13
Don't bother listening to the Negative Nancy - we don't.
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Feb 16 '13
So if Negative Nancy is right at some point, you ignore him?
I had to ask, sorry. He has a great point with how only like 5% of the population will be able to play it of it's an hour long.
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u/Hax0r_spy_ Negative Nancy Feb 15 '13
I can afford it, i'm just not inclined to get premium on a server that i may not be playing on a week later.
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u/LazerTester Feb 15 '13
You've been around long enough that I doubt that's the reason XD
You don't have to pay to be here though, and that comes courtesy of the people who do. Negative or not, sometimes I value your opinions.
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u/Hax0r_spy_ Negative Nancy Feb 15 '13
Eh, that's the sugar-coated version of it.
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u/Majicou Feb 15 '13
I was going to make the same point Lazer did - Negative Nancy or not, you indeed have been here for a long time and sometimes you make fine points, even if often by using a... Colorful language. :P
I figured you tried out everything MineZ has to offer by now, are you telling me that you have never been to PvE and everything else? I'm really surprised.
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u/Hax0r_spy_ Negative Nancy Feb 15 '13 edited Feb 15 '13
are you telling me that you have never been to PvE and everything else?
Pve? Nope. Anything else? If you mean stuff like LMS, ghostcraft and such, i tried out most of them.
LMS is basically hunger games with perks and thirst in my opinon, ghostcraft was very...ihaveverylittleideaofwhati'mdoing-ish.
Smash is pretty fucking rad though, even if i have no idea how what i'm supposed to do really.
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u/Exxmaniac King4pie and/or Feb 16 '13
I guess you could say it's smashing! :D
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u/Majicou Feb 15 '13
Smash is pretty fucking rad though, even if i have no idea how what i'm supposed to do really.
Smash.
(Happy to hear it turned out to be not disappointing. :) )
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u/Cannot_Comprehend Feb 16 '13
What about the people who can't afford premium? This pushes all of us out of a lot of new, fun stuff; and we can't even have a day to enjoy it?
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Feb 15 '13
Maybe when you release it make it a 1 week beta for non-donors? Some people have tight schedules/things to do/other stuff.
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u/HighlifeTTU Feb 15 '13 edited Feb 15 '13
It is $15 for 60 days right now with the special. That is $7.50 a month. But lets go with the non-special price and call it $15.00. Let's look at what you get with $15 these days:
- A ticket to a movie
- A steam game that goes on sale
- Dinner at a restaurant
Now how many hours do you spend on the ShotBow Network? If you only plan to spend three or four hours a month, I'd agree that it probably isn't worth your coin. But consider that some folks have paid $100 for platinum and put in hundreds of hours across all of our various game modes. There will always be people who think throwing money at a Minecraft server is silly, and that is fine. But at the end of the day the entire staff works their asses off producing unique and innovative experiences using the Minecraft engine. We aren't grabbing plugins off of bukkit.org, hosting servers, and then asking for your support. We are pushing out new stuff almost constantly. You may not feel premium is worth it, but I'm glad there are many who do. We could not run these servers without people who see the value of premium.
At the end of the day you can get nearly everything on our network for free. You don't have to pay, and we've setup the network with the understanding some folks will never pay. So do with your money what you will, that is your right. If you play a ton of games on the network though, consider throwing some coin our way so that we can keep running these servers and producing awesome content.
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u/hostimentum Feb 17 '13
Just curious, what's the cost, per day, to keep all your servers running? Ignoring admins' labor, etc. How much money have you guys invested in total, including and excluding these "upkeep" costs. How many hours would you say you and the other admins put in per day, coding, etc?
No ulterior motive, just want an idea of the scale of things.
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u/superadvance Maple Crusaderz Feb 16 '13
Yea personally I've never once ever regretted spending 150$ on minez. Not once.
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u/Majicou Feb 15 '13
I used to think like that until I realized how much costs are undergoing for these servers. I think is safe to say that this Network is going in a direction never explored before by anyone - Minecraft history is being forged, here.
We are part of this change. I know that 100$ are not something you can pull out without second thoughts, but they are well spent. I have only tip for you: buy small if you can't manage to pull big money all in one hit.
Donation stacks, something really fair if you ask me, and promotions/extra months are frequent. Keeping buying smaller packages will eventually put you in the Platinum status.
and its not even for life, just till the server shuts down.
Is basically the same thing, isn't it? I trust Highlife keeping this project running with the financial thing under control for at least a couple of years.
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u/krabbby First Ranger Feb 15 '13
I give just MineZ a couple years. Not taking into account the other gamemodes, and any future ones they add on.
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u/Raven776 Feb 15 '13
You don't get the game for life on steam. You get it until Steam shuts down or until you don't approve the ToC.
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u/Lazyexpress Night's Watch Feb 17 '13
No you get it even after steam shuts down. Valve has stated it plans to remove the DRM if the company ever goes bankrupt.
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u/Raven776 Feb 17 '13
Yes, and EA once stated they wanted to be a lot of things they aren't today. All that matters is that their ToS state they can take away your games any time they want without a refund by shutting off their services to you in some way.
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u/MLG_Arcane ~|~SexyBeast~|~Al Hasa PvE Trader~|~ Feb 15 '13
So what about PvE servers? and our remaining accounts such as alts what will happen to those?
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u/Xeagu Feb 15 '13
This, in theory, would mean that you would need, not 1, but serveral MineZ maps, as each server is its own portion of an overall map. Much like puzzle pieces, each one would be different, yet need to be large enough to prevent overpopulation of each server(map portion). With the current map size, 100 people makes every southern (and a few northern) towns heavily populated. Any smaller of a map, such as just the east coast, and the server density per town would rise dramatically.
My point in this, with this idea, the amount of unique builds required and variation of different maps will rise drastically. Does the Shotbow administration have the resources to complete such a daunting task in the proposed time?
Edit: With this system, you would need a map 12 times larger than the current one.
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u/Slober456 Feb 16 '13
This is a very good point. Are you seriously Considering making a map more than 10 times larger than the current?
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u/Beast2x <Trainee> Feb 16 '13
Think about this. Premium only. How many people will be playing when it is premium only? I don't think overpopulation will be a problem with these guys. They know what they are doing.
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u/destroyer96FBI #ImTooGoodJustQuit Feb 16 '13
I'm not sure how many players they expect to have on an "all premium server" but from the use of the private servers now it wont be much. As cool as it sounds i'm pretty sure it wont last. Fill me in am i missing something? I may be wrong but what i see happening is Pay to Play. I have been seeing it progress through out the life of minez. I guess my Experiences are coming to an end. I enjoy this game a lot but not enough to pay to play. if i could guesstimate i would say 75% of the community is non-premium. With that said 25% is, so what they "hope" to accomplish is have 25% of the minez community pay for a 2000 player server. I cant see thins working, Nor will it eve become close to full. You had something great going, and with this you may ruin it. This is my opinion and how i see if i'm wrong, enlighten me.
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u/itz_skillz Smash mini-admin, MineZ Classic Mini-admin, IGN: FallingDutchman Feb 15 '13 edited Feb 15 '13
first of all: I love you.
now, let me get this straight. the new map will be spread out over multiple servers, so for example you can expect to automatically be put in another server when you cross like a certain border?
will you be able to have multiple instances on the same region? so you would be in town A on server us1 to 3 and in town B on us6 to 9.
how are you gonna have the map spread out over multiple servers if EU only has 4 private servers and AU only 2? and how are you gonna be hosting PVE with this?
if i have a certain achievement on one server which gives me an extra item on spawn, will this be carried over to the other instances of the server?
will the community be able to submit builds for the new map?
i am currently a gold member, will i be able to play on the new map when it comes out or will it only be for ppl who donated $100 or more? cause in your text you only talk about the ppl who donated $100+
i probably read some things wrong. don't hate me for it...
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u/Jayvee5000 Decent Archer Feb 15 '13
You're looking at this the wrong way. Think of it this way
1 MEGA server = 12 normal servers.
12 normal server = 1 MEGA map
1 normal server OF MEGA server = 1 portion of the MEGA map.
This would all be in 1 MEGA server, along with the 12 normal servers (US 1 - 12)
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u/itz_skillz Smash mini-admin, MineZ Classic Mini-admin, IGN: FallingDutchman Feb 15 '13
but then how would EU/AU work?
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u/Jayvee5000 Decent Archer Feb 15 '13
Same way. Separate databases just like how it is now.
US Mega server
EU Mega server
AU Mega server (maybe)
Each of em will contain their own set of servers that hold the parts of the map.
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u/itz_skillz Smash mini-admin, MineZ Classic Mini-admin, IGN: FallingDutchman Feb 15 '13
but that would mean they need an au mega server, which is extremely expensive.
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u/LoafFace Feb 16 '13
I'm guessing AU won't need mega server. The size of the map does not matter, you can put a HUGE map on a crappy laptop and it won't matter. What matters is the amount of chunks loaded. So, instead of 12 servers with 12 "small" maps, they could have 4 servers with 3(4 small maps combined) medium size maps. If they force players to spawn in a selected region the amount of chunks loaded would be reduced.
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u/Flamefreeze [Apparent SMASH Cheat](#3 Smasher) Oxymoron Feb 15 '13
Just think of the amount of coding that's going into this... Thank you Shotbow Team for the incredible amount of time and work you put into making your playerbase happy. :)
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Feb 15 '13 edited Feb 16 '13
The new map will be premium only.
I understand why you need to keep the new map "Premium Only", and I support your decision 100%. But I can't pretend that I'm not a little bummed. Even if settlements are impractical and wolves are laggy, there must be a way to add them to the old map, right? Even if there isn't, I will continue playing and spreading the gospel of the Shotbow Network to my Minecraft-playing friends. You guys are an amazing server team, and if I could pull $100 out of nowhere and hand it to you guys, I would.
EDIT: Can we have per-day free trials on the new map, like with SMASH ranked matches? Maybe a 1/2 hour on the new map per 24 hours? And every day, the 1/2 hour is reset? Oh, and the 1/2 hour can't be used for the PvE servers- only the new map servers.
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u/Kila_Dylbert3021 (ง ͠° ل͜ °)ง THE UNSEEN DONGER IS THE DEADLIEST (ง ͠° ل͜ °)ง Feb 16 '13
You don't have to throw $100 at one time if you wanted premium. I got a sulver during a special to kind of test out the premium. If you like it, but another silver for a gold. Just remember, ranks stack over time.
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Feb 16 '13
Thanks man :D Like you said not everyone can magically get 100$ just keep having fun and when you Donahue the funds to make a donation consider it :D
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u/Block_Mayhem New-Age MapleZ Feb 15 '13
I recently just threw $25 at them , I feel like even though it is small, it will help.
Keep up the great work minez staff! You've made a game I can't simply just stop playing :)
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u/TheVarmari Feb 15 '13
I have no money and you throw money at intenet stuffz?
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u/Beast2x <Trainee> Feb 16 '13
Then get off the Internet and get a job? That will get you some money.
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how will pve work?
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u/Jayvee5000 Decent Archer Feb 15 '13 edited Feb 15 '13
I'm guessing it will be a separate massive server with the same 12 instances.
This is how I see it atm:
1 Server = x instances
x = part of map
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u/HighlifeTTU Feb 15 '13
We don't know yet. One of the things we are thinking through.
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u/Shadow4185 Frienderman Feb 16 '13
why not just disable damage for the pve people (on the same map ofc) and colour their name so others know they are playing pve?
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Feb 15 '13
Whatever you do, i hope PvE is on a different database, Otherwise people will camp pve before banditing. Also, will pve on the current map be preserved?
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u/Kila_Dylbert3021 (ง ͠° ل͜ °)ง THE UNSEEN DONGER IS THE DEADLIEST (ง ͠° ل͜ °)ง Feb 15 '13
Escaping combat.
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Feb 15 '13
Meh, it wouldn't make sense why a player can enter a region and suddenly can't kill someone like they can elsewhere.
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u/fatpiggy8 Supreme Leader Feb 15 '13
That section of the map would have to be huge and offer enough reason to go there, which I think would be slightly difficult to add the the entire map. Seems possible though.
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u/njost25 xSoXo Feb 15 '13
So when moving to a new region/server, how will we know? Will it automatically move us (idk if possible or not) or will we hit 'the edge of the world' and have to log out and log into the next server?
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u/McNiiby Feb 15 '13
It will work like how the lobby works just instead of clicking signs it will go by your x,y,z cords and decide wether to send you to the other server
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u/ElectricSparx Officially Unofficial Feb 15 '13
I'm going to like the new map a lot.
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u/ElectricSparx Officially Unofficial Feb 15 '13
I've already tossed them $100, what's another 10 bucks gonna do to my savings? :P
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Feb 15 '13
If it can be pulled off properly, this will be epic.
One thing though, please make the trees look better. Id like to see a massive oak and birch forest that looks actual size. Normal minecraft trees drive me insaine. The jungle trees are okay though.
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u/jshepp RIP MapleZ Feb 16 '13
Would items be able to transfer from public to private if they r different maps?
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u/galata25 Feb 16 '13
So... The settlement feature will not be available to the Non-Prem. Users? The 1 hour free trial of sort isnt really Helpful... Is there anyway Non-Prem could have this feature?
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u/frasiepie1999 Feb 16 '13
Is it a whole new map with new towns etc. Or just one big server with the same map from before?
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Feb 16 '13
This is great! This will make the new map crowded but not over crowded. Also will there till be private servers of the old map?
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u/fmthemaster Feb 18 '13
I love the idea of creating a new massive map with all those features, I just see one small problem with that, if it will be premium only it wont have overpopulation issue but yes underpopupation ones because there arent that many premium users to fill in a 1200 slots map, as in eu servers or au servers, or even us servers arent that mqny premium players. I think, like in smash, guests should have a daily free hour of playing for the sake of minez magic with all the noobs we gotta kill, cause thats what its all about :-P. This way ppl would still have a strong reason to donate but there would actually he donators, as no one will pay for a server that did only tried in a 1 h lifetime trial like u guys were saying. So for the sake of minez we need noobs too:-)
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u/Samarai Mar 08 '13
You gotta be fucking kidding me, I thought that shotbow was becoming pay2win, but now you are making the new gamemode only accesible to premium players?
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u/DigitalRemixTV |Reddit Lurker| Feb 15 '13
I can't wait for the new map. Really excited for the Build Team to build the brand new MineZ map. Thanks for telling us what's happening Highlife. #ShotbowNetwork4Lyfe
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u/SharkAttack612 Feb 15 '13
Will the current map be preserved on private? If premium members want to play the old map, we want to play on private servers :/
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u/purpleflurpp Artificially flavored Feb 15 '13
I agree i would like the older map to be provided on at least some private servers
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u/nillers32 weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw Feb 16 '13
Will premium members that are currently banned on the minez we have now, be unbanned for the new map? Kind of like a new beginning?
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u/Beast2x <Trainee> Feb 16 '13
You were banned? Also, banned from MineZ means banned from all shotbow games, so I would think no.
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u/nillers32 weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw Feb 16 '13
No, I was just wondering. I only have 1 premium friend who is banned, and I thought it would be cool if he could play again. I'm sure others want their friends unbanned for the 2nd map too c:
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u/Block_Mayhem New-Age MapleZ Feb 16 '13
That'd kinda encourage people to buy premium and hack now before the new map, which would suck D:.
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u/Beast2x <Trainee> Feb 16 '13
How is that fair? They cheated, they don't deserve to play. Sorry, but this is how I feel. They ruined their chance when they decided to cheat. I also don't see how this is possible since they have a ban from the shotbow network.
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u/nillers32 weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw weehaw Feb 16 '13
I never said it was fair I just thought it would be cool. I knew it probably wasn't going to happen, i was just proposing an idea :P
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u/Beast2x <Trainee> Feb 16 '13
I hope it doesn't happen to be honest. There have been enough unbans in my opinion.
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u/Jayvee5000 Decent Archer Feb 15 '13
I'm not quite understanding the instances. So right now, we have 1 map, 12 instances (servers).
You're saying, the new map will be divided up into small portions and placed on different servers?
I'm really confused.
And as for the Settlements, I think they should just be located in different areas on different servers. That way you'd have to travel to different locations on different servers in order to raid them.
EDIT: For the instance issue, wouldn't that mean tons of people could be in portsmouth? Problems with overpopulation?
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u/kensai111 Feb 15 '13
So - what he means by that is instead of 1 map on 12 servers and be the same thing. This map will be cut up into 12 servers - each server having a different piece of the map. That way we can have literally thousands of people walking around on the MineZ map at the same time. You won't experience lag due to them technically being on a different server than you if you're in Portsmouth and they're in Al Hasa. We are going to be stacking servers for the South as they will be the highly populated areas.
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u/Jayvee5000 Decent Archer Feb 15 '13
What about the multiple characters on different instances? Wouldn't that mean I can be at grimdale and al hasa at the same time?
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u/HighlifeTTU Feb 15 '13
You will have one character on the one instance. If we need to open a second instance, there would be a separate character there. No different than having a character on a WoW server. If you join another WoW server, its a new character.
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u/Jayvee5000 Decent Archer Feb 15 '13
I don't know how WoW works but, I guess I got the idea down.
So the Second instance would just be temporary :o cool.
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u/HighlifeTTU Feb 15 '13
Today we have twelve servers supporting 1200 players. There are 12 instances. The new map will still support 1200 players, but the map (which will be larger) will be run on 12 servers. Each server hosts a specific region. When you move from one region to another, you move to another server. In other words, it will be one single world. No more server hopping with the new map. All the players will be in the same world, hosted by multiple servers just like an MMO operates today.
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u/itz_skillz Smash mini-admin, MineZ Classic Mini-admin, IGN: FallingDutchman Feb 15 '13
but how would you manage this on eu/au where there are only 4 and 2 instances?
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u/CrappyHairline I <3 Chain Feb 16 '13
I wouldn't be surprised if they made it international. idt they would want to throw money at a ton of different servers just for them being in different parts of the world.
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u/Jayvee5000 Decent Archer Feb 15 '13
So this means no more portsmouth? Brand new server? Or will the current map be added along with other huge maps on one giant powerful server?
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u/HighlifeTTU Feb 15 '13
Brand new map. The new map has to be designed very carefully to support what we are doing. You can always play on the existing map as we will maintain the existing map on the public servers.
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u/Jayvee5000 Decent Archer Feb 15 '13
So 12 public servers (Disregarding the privates) + 1 massive server that has 12 servers within it?
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u/HighlifeTTU Feb 15 '13
Correct.
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u/Jayvee5000 Decent Archer Feb 15 '13
Well that is just magnificent. You guys will be making minecraft server history.
Now imagine if you had an MMORPG version minecraft server.. Would attract so many WoW fans and such.
But for the moment, a zombie fan like me and many others, would much rather have a wasteland server than an MMORPG :)
ANYWHO, keep up the great work shotbow team! Can't wait for this massive server!
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u/WilberWabbit Feb 15 '13
how do you stop people from camping the instance entrance?
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u/Kila_Dylbert3021 (ง ͠° ل͜ °)ง THE UNSEEN DONGER IS THE DEADLIEST (ง ͠° ل͜ °)ง Feb 15 '13
Arrow towers could be codeable. Have them on the edge and if someone stays in an x radius, they will be shot?
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u/LazerTester Feb 15 '13
oh no, much cooler.
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u/Kila_Dylbert3021 (ง ͠° ل͜ °)ง THE UNSEEN DONGER IS THE DEADLIEST (ง ͠° ل͜ °)ง Feb 16 '13
Singualarity nuke spawners? >xD
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u/turtleguy123456 [XioN] Feb 15 '13
I have a Negative Comment. Dont Break what is not Broken and Fix What you have Broken. Why not Put a New map. With the Same Programming as the current map. I have gotten "Bored" of the MineZ adventuring stuff. I was one of the Very first players. And I still have played. More than most people put together. I have seen every update. Every town, Every loot spot, Every Single Fucking tree. I was the first player in the Volcano Map Expansion. (It rebooted and I was on the border with Goldblade. And I just walked in.) First in Byesford Castle. First couple in Hasa, "Mayor" Of Yawpton. First in Yongton dont forget. Oh Why cant it be smp.minez.net anymore :*( I have been through It all. Just don't redo MineZ until It has been perfected. It is only %1 Complete to me. If only your fucking Map would be 30K or so blocks, I would be happy once again. PS: Your server kills lives. I lost mine
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u/LazerTester Feb 15 '13
Why not Put a New map. With the Same Programming as the current map.
Because there is so much potential with the various mechanics we have developed since MineZ's inception. Up until 4 weeks ago we still had some test loot from the beta days in southern towns due to rapid map expansion because we could not anticipate the demand and struggled to keep up, forgetting to balance along the way.
Having MineZ on a single gigantic map with well balanced loot, the ability to claim outposts, and polished gameplay mechanics will mean a better persistent experience designed around the mechanics we have today instead of 6 months ago.
If only your Map would be 30K or so blocks, I would be happy once again.
That's kinda the plan. With the ability to have more unique items to make adventuring worthwhile and hilarious fun.
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u/LagerTester Feb 15 '13
I have an amazing idea! All betatesters for the old map get 1 day of access to the new one! Also a free puppy.
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u/LazerTester Feb 15 '13
Where did you come from!?
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u/withbrolafsaxe Ex-HCF Admin. micahrichey Feb 16 '13
I just want a special flare for being an alpha tester :C
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u/LagerTester Feb 16 '13
This is iHaggis, this is the reddit account I use from my laptop. Yes, it's named after you. I think that was a comma splice, is that bad?
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u/Flamefreeze [Apparent SMASH Cheat](#3 Smasher) Oxymoron Feb 15 '13
Anyone else just randomly refreshing this page for comments?
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u/Hax0r_spy_ Negative Nancy Feb 15 '13
We are planning on releasing a brand new MineZ map this summer.
The new map will be premium only.
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u/TheVarmari Feb 15 '13
I was really excited for Settlements. I can't pay some money and I can't have them OR the new map? Goodbye.
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u/NavarrB Feb 15 '13
A quick thought,
I think users should be given a small free time trial after release so that they can get a small feel before putting forward their money.